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    Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Russia will deploy what's been described as the deadliest nuclear weapon ever aboard mysterious submarines by 2020, state media has announced, citing a Russian defense-industry source.

    The Russian "Poseidon" nuclear-powered torpedo - reputed to carry a 100 megaton to 200 megaton nuclear warhead and meant to erupt underwater for maximum effect - will reportedly deploy aboard the Project 09852 sub Belgorod, which is a converted nuclear-powered cruise-missile sub expected to go on combat duty in 2020.


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    Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Interesting approach...nuclear tsunami.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Russia is changing the equation. Russia under Putin is transforming MAD which everyone knows as Mutually Assured Destruction to the new offset strategy of MAS -- Mutually Assured Spending.

    Putin is reviving weapons platforms both Russia as the USSR and USA examined and tested in the 1950s and 1960s and that each side dismissed as unnecessary, provocative, expensive and apocalyptic. That is, while multiple warheads on a ballistic missile will destroy a city, these torpedoes will destroy a continent. Each side can make 'em. So thanks to Putin and Russia we've come around full circle again.

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    The 100 megaton nuclear torpedo and related submarine systems are massively expensive. Putin however is committed to sparing no expense. Which is the major military reason Putin needs the lifting of economic sanctions by the US and EU. Given this reality the sanctions aren't ever likely to be eased or removed however. So much for Trump, Michael Flynn et al.




    Pentagon has the system in its Nuclear Posture Review where one can read up on it. Pentagon classifies the system as a Russian strategic nuclear weapon program:“Russia is also developing at least two new intercontinental range systems, a hypersonic glide vehicle, and a new intercontinental, nuclear-armed, nuclear-powered, undersea autonomous torpedo.”


    When we get into the seaweed of the Russki system however we find inherent limitations. For instance the specialized sub needs to get close in to the USA coastal areas. Launching it otherwise takes several days to reach US coastal shores. Its deployment is not viable off the Atlantic coast because as a deep diving weapon the sub and torpedoes can't overcome transit from Russia via GIUK gap into the Atlantic due to the depths and geographical choke points involved. So and as Pentagon points out we won't need a 6th Battle of the Atlantic in naval and military terms.

    The Pacific coast is more hospitable to it yet the system is both slow and noisy. This is the equivalent to US ASW of the bases loaded double that clears the bases. A walkoff smash in the bottom of the tenth. Can't miss it down there. US will need to develop torpedoes that reach that depth so that's what the US will do. Guaranteed.

    Russia has the same problem with its armed forces as Iran has. That is, the conventional forces of each are so full of holes, aged equipment and its personnel so underpaid and poorly trained, each of 'em must go nuclear and in big ways. In Russia the future is now while in Iran the future is asap.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Russia will deploy what's been described as the deadliest nuclear weapon ever aboard mysterious submarines by 2020, state media has announced, citing a Russian defense-industry source.

    The Russian "Poseidon" nuclear-powered torpedo - reputed to carry a 100 megaton to 200 megaton nuclear warhead and meant to erupt underwater for maximum effect - will reportedly deploy aboard the Project 09852 sub Belgorod, which is a converted nuclear-powered cruise-missile sub expected to go on combat duty in 2020.


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    Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Interesting approach...nuclear tsunami.
    Seems like an epic waste of time, tidal waves to destroy civilian populations really is a waste when the nukes themselves do so just fine without re inventing the wheel. Fyi the tidal wave thing has been proposed by both the us and the soviet union, in some cases to inflict high civilian casualties, other times to use the wave to wipe out naval fleets with minimal effort. In the end none of those proposals came through in any serious degree, and even if they chose to do the same effect they could do it on a smaller and more tactical scale with conventional bombers or even icbm's rather than using a wave to destroy land targets the nukes already would have.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Russia will deploy what's been described as the deadliest nuclear weapon ever aboard mysterious submarines by 2020, state media has announced, citing a Russian defense-industry source.

    The Russian "Poseidon" nuclear-powered torpedo - reputed to carry a 100 megaton to 200 megaton nuclear warhead and meant to erupt underwater for maximum effect - will reportedly deploy aboard the Project 09852 sub Belgorod, which is a converted nuclear-powered cruise-missile sub expected to go on combat duty in 2020.


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    Interesting approach...nuclear tsunami.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Russia will deploy what's been described as the deadliest nuclear weapon ever aboard mysterious submarines by 2020, state media has announced, citing a Russian defense-industry source.

    The Russian "Poseidon" nuclear-powered torpedo - reputed to carry a 100 megaton to 200 megaton nuclear warhead and meant to erupt underwater for maximum effect - will reportedly deploy aboard the Project 09852 sub Belgorod, which is a converted nuclear-powered cruise-missile sub expected to go on combat duty in 2020.


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    Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Interesting approach...nuclear tsunami.
    More likely a carrier killer. An underwater shock wave would like break her keel.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    More likely a carrier killer. An underwater shock wave would like break her keel.
    Autonomous nukes might just get be what causes Putin to get fatally ill.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Somehow I get the disheartening feeling that somebody is going to try doing a remake of that Kubrick film, and:

    1) It's going to star Tom Cruise
    2) It's going to star Will Smith
    3) It's going to star both Tom Cruise AND Will Smith
    4) It's going to suck, and suck hard, because it will also probably be directed by Roland Emmerich.
    5) It's also going to suck hard because it will be a hack rewrite where it becomes an exercise in jingoism, but alas, I repeat myself because I already said it will probably be directed by Roland Emmerich.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    More likely a carrier killer. An underwater shock wave would like break her keel.
    They could kill carriers with just convential standoff bombs and missiles, on the nuclear arena even the smallest nukes detonated over the surface of the water would wipe them out, what they have here is just fear mongering, the same crap had been proposed before by the soviet union as well as the us and other nations, smarter heads prevailed and realized it was a waste.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    They could kill carriers with just convential standoff bombs and missiles, on the nuclear arena even the smallest nukes detonated over the surface of the water would wipe them out, what they have here is just fear mongering, the same crap had been proposed before by the soviet union as well as the us and other nations, smarter heads prevailed and realized it was a waste.
    A hundred megaton blast would be the gift that keeps on giving - shock waves might damage or sink the carrier's escorts as well.
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    Re: Russia says it's going to arm a secretive submarine with 6 nuclear 'doomsday' devices

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    Autonomous nukes might just get be what causes Putin to get fatally ill.
    What?
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