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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Yes my unit spent time in England in 85/86 training with some of their special forces training for urban warfare, clearing, buildings and holding them etc...

    Very good training. I have since taken their motto to heart and made it my own .

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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by perthbum View Post
    Read this from an American soldier and wondered if any of you had served with the British and your thoughts.

    The common American perception is that the Brits are a tough, well disciplined lot. In fact, although it pains us to admit that anyone is better than us at anything, there are a lot of Americans that would concede that the British Army and Royal Marines are the most disciplined fighting force in the world right now.

    When I was in the National Guard back in the 90's I had the opportunity to serve with some Brits who went on annual training with us as part of an exchange program. I found both of them to be crack troops that had lots of knowledge and tactical expertise, but I was most impressed with how they viewed us. One of them asked, "Why do you guys make a plan and then at the last second change it?" but later he remarked that although our planning and execution seemed to be chaotic at times, American troops seemed to have the ability to bring it all together and accomplish the mission. I found it to be high praise.
    The British military was great at enslaving other countries while calling it colonization. They were experts at beating and hanging citizens of countries that were defenseless against the empire.

    Damn near perfect actually......... right up until WWII.

    The Germans gave them a nice wake up call with well deserved ass beating until many countries came in to save them.

    Hitler was obviously cruel and inhumane, but the British were not innocent either with the way they treated the countries that were held under colonization. Britain raped many countries of resources, and stomped any resistance at the point of a gun.
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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Post WW II the British political class were ticked at Potus Eisenhower who assumed the firm policy of not supporting British efforts to hold together the remnants of empire. France too was distressed at Ike for not supporting Paris trying to hang on to its Africa colonies.

    It came to a head in 1956 with the Suez Crisis. Nasser grabbed the British-French controlled canal by nationalization which was too much in Paris and London. Brits and French knew Eisenhower was strictly hands off so the two worked around him, clandestinely.

    Israel, Paris, London devised a scheme, Israel having its own grievances against Egypt. Ten Israeli brigades invaded Egypt and charged toward the canal. London and Paris said they'd have to intervene to keep the sides apart and establish order, to include regain the canal (and try to organize the overthrow of Nasser which never got started in Egypt).

    Ike went up the wall. He was furious during a suddenly called press conference in the oval. The Brits at Westminister had already had trouble with chief of general staff Gen. Sir Gerald Templer who hugely disagreed with PM Anthony Eden on the order to invade Egypt together with France. Templer returned to GHQ and said famously, "Gentlemen, I've just come from Number 10 where the prime minister has gone stark raving mad." The attorney general agreed with Templer Eden's order was unlawful. Templer discussed with general staff refusing the order but the generals decided the principle of civilian control was paramount so he and the general staff went ahead with the operation that became a diplomatic fiasco.

    After the RAF demolished the Egyptian air force on the ground CIA told Ike Moscow was mobilizing troops to Egypt to reinforce Nasser. So Ike with Canada got the UN to vote that the Brits, French and Israelis cease operations and withdraw, which they did do. Eden went on an extended rest in Jamacia during which he was succeeded as prime minister by Ike's old friend Harold MacMillan. The French government collapsed several months later. Nasser became a hero throughout the ME. Canadian foreign minister and future prime minister Lester Pearson won the Nobel Peace award for his work at the UN. The bottom line was that despite the brilliance of the British led Operation Musketeer the USA became the new sheriff in town.
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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Then lost it sometime before WWI.
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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    The British military was great at enslaving other countries while calling it colonization. They were experts at beating and hanging citizens of countries that were defenseless against the empire.

    Damn near perfect actually......... right up until WWII.

    The Germans gave them a nice wake up call with well deserved ass beating until many countries came in to save them.

    Hitler was obviously cruel and inhumane, but the British were not innocent either with the way they treated the countries that were held under colonization. Britain raped many countries of resources, and stomped any resistance at the point of a gun.
    I would look at your own dumb policies in conflicts before knocking the Brits, not the brave soldiers but stupid politicians I must add.
    p.s, when did the Germans give the UK an ass beating? think you need to read your history. If you are talking Dunkirk then you need to show some respect for the soldiers of all nations on that day, so you thing the brave men who died at Dunkirk deserved it? as you say well deserved, show respect man.
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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by perthbum View Post
    I would look at your own dumb policies in conflicts before knocking the Brits, not the brave soldiers but stupid politicians I must add.
    p.s, when did the Germans give the UK an ass beating? think you need to read your history. If you are talking Dunkirk then you need to show some respect for the soldiers of all nations on that day, so you thing the brave men who died at Dunkirk deserved it? as you say well deserved, show respect man.
    So, you are denying British Imperialism, colonization, and brutalities committed upon other countries?

    All the while knocking the USA for it's warts?
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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    The British military has always been one of professionalism and rigor. There's a reason everyone in the world knows it as simply the "Royal Navy".

    Having served for 14 years in the Royal Navy I am free to note some deficiencies. Just two examples: In WWI the Germans 'won' the Battle of Jutland, mainly because their shells always exploded, while the RN's all too often did not. In WWII the Germans nearly always won one-to-one destroyer engagements in the Channel and the North Sea; their gunnery was better.

    In my RN - 1952 to 1966 - a trace of the 'we are naturally the best' attitude could still sometimes be glimpsed. Today's RN has been 'rationalised' almost out of existence so its quality is all but irrelevant.

    Not for me to comment on the British Army - except to say that they did a pretty good job at Agincourt.

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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They fought to create an empire till they met some determined Americans.
    True enough. Though it is worth noting that those 'Americans' were nearly all transplanted British.

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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You denying Americans weren't right there with you...among others?
    Well, the US was not "right there with the UK" from Sept 1939 to Nov 1941. And even at the latter were in WWII becuase they were attacked by Japan - and had war declared upon them by Germany.

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    Re: What do you think of the British Military throughout its history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Post WW II the British political class were ticked at Potus Eisenhower who assumed the firm policy of not supporting British efforts to hold together the remnants of empire. France too was distressed at Ike for not supporting Paris trying to hang on to its Africa colonies.

    It came to a head in 1956 with the Suez Crisis. Nasser grabbed the British-French controlled canal by nationalization which was too much in Paris and London. Brits and French knew Eisenhower was strictly hands off so the two worked around him, clandestinely.

    Israel, Paris, London devised a scheme, Israel having its own grievances against Egypt. Ten Israeli brigades invaded Egypt and charged toward the canal. London and Paris said they'd have to intervene to keep the sides apart and establish order, to include regain the canal (and try to organize the overthrow of Nasser which never got started in Egypt).

    Ike went up the wall. He was furious during a suddenly called press conference in the oval. The Brits at Westminister had already had trouble with chief of general staff Gen. Sir Gerald Templer who hugely disagreed with PM Anthony Eden on the order to invade Egypt together with France. Templer returned to GHQ and said famously, "Gentlemen, I've just come from Number 10 where the prime minister has gone stark raving mad." The attorney general agreed with Templer Eden's order was unlawful. Templer discussed with general staff refusing the order but the generals decided the principle of civilian control was paramount so he and the general staff went ahead with the operation that became a diplomatic fiasco.

    After the RAF demolished the Egyptian air force on the ground CIA told Ike Moscow was mobilizing troops to Egypt to reinforce Nasser. So Ike with Canada got the UN to vote that the Brits, French and Israelis cease operations and withdraw, which they did do. Eden went on an extended rest in Jamacia during which he was succeeded as prime minister by Ike's old friend Harold MacMillan. The French government collapsed several months later. Nasser became a hero throughout the ME. Canadian foreign minister and future prime minister Lester Pearson won the Nobel Peace award for his work at the UN. The bottom line was that despite the brilliance of the British led Operation Musketeer the USA became the new sheriff in town.
    Quite a good summary, though it, rather surprisingly, omits my role in the Suez operation in HMS Wizard. Yes folks, I was there. Just call me the last of the British imperialists.

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