Top US general calls for more troops and warships to counter growing Russian threat

American said:

Where do you get this **** from?

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Tangmo said:

I've noted already that you arbitrarily substitute your personal bias for the demands the US Army and the chain of command place on each service member, to include up to the top of the chain. You are dug into your bias which is completely wrongheaded and at a direct variance from military discipline as stipulated by the UCMJ. Which makes you a menace to unit cohesion, unity, discipline and in turn endangers the success of the mission and unnecessarily places lives at risk. Counseling in your professional role, duties, responsibilities would be appropriate for you sergeant

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braindrain said:

You are delusional. Neither the Army or my chain of command demand i respect or honor you. You are a nobody on an internet message board.

And what bias would it be that I have. Is it that I am biased against people who try and pretend they know what they are talking about when it is painfully obvious they don't. Sorry but no my chain of command expects me not to blindly listen to clueless people and do the right thing.

As to your opinion of me I really could not care less. And what's more my chain of command disagrees with you. My last NCOER rated me as the number one E7 in my detachment.
It's quite clear that the person here whose bias is completely blinding them it's you.

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Tangmo said:

Congrats as I'm confident too you're exactly at your level of E-7, sergeant first class. Same as you were exactly at your level of E-4 as a corporal when you were a corporal. I'm certain your 18C mos of engineer sergeant is fully earned and deserved. So be sure to let me know when you get appointed to the joint chiefs of staff. Inquiring minds will want to know your global geostrategic vision. Cause that would make two peas in a pod, i.e., Trump as CinC and you on the JCS.

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Tangmo said:

Congrats as I'm confident too you're exactly at your level of E-7, sergeant first class. Same as you were exactly at your level of E-4 as a corporal when you were a corporal. I'm certain your 18C mos of engineer sergeant is fully earned and deserved. So be sure to let me know when you get appointed to the joint chiefs of staff. Inquiring minds will want to know your global geostrategic vision. Cause that would make two peas in a pod, i.e., Trump as CinC and you on the JCS.

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braindrain said:

And you are at the level of where you belong. Which is no where.
And I wonder what most people would consider a higher level. A senior NCO in my career field or a CPT who got out abot half a century ago after only spending time in a ceremonial unit. It's really no contest.

Oh an I must have missed it where being in a ceremonial unit gives you some experience with global strategic decision making. Or are you now trying to claim you used to be on the JCS. Give me a break. And what's more I haven't even been talking about global strategic issues. You are clueless.

And to further prove just how clueless you are, even after I have given you my MOS you still can't get it right. It's just sad really.

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braindrain said:

And you are at the level of where you belong. Which is no where.
And I wonder what most people would consider a higher level. A senior NCO in my career field or a CPT who got out abot half a century ago after only spending time in a ceremonial unit. It's really no contest.

Oh an I must have missed it where being in a ceremonial unit gives you some experience with global strategic decision making. Or are you now trying to claim you used to be on the JCS. Give me a break. And what's more I haven't even been talking about global strategic issues. You are clueless.

And to further prove just how clueless you are, even after I have given you my MOS you still can't get it right. It's just sad really.

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Tangmo said:

I never said you weren't at your level.

Your natural level.

Which unfortunately isn't on the level.

For one thing your posts are rinse and repeat.

You have your set in stone and repeated unprofessional bias that, because it is subjective and arbitrary, is at a severe variance from US Army fundamentals of mission and purpose. You violate severely force cohesion, unity of common purpose, mission, goals, methods and means.

Further, my own observation of Special Forces which I don't doubt you are in was long ago when they were in formative stages, i.e., the Vietnam Era during which I served. I've seen over the decades since that too many special forces/ops troops are so far over on the political and cultural right that they've become what we once fought against in war to defeat. I haven't any doubt that is where you are coming from. I've not doubted it for a long time now.

You stay away from mention of Russia, you don't mention China, nor do you cite NK or Iran or other enemies of the USA. And you certainly never mention Trump. Your focus is here to state your skewed views, as in the above, which identifies you as a subset of your profession. And of your mos.

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braindrain said:

OH look more tangmobable.

So what unprofessional bias do I have. You keep making this accusation yet refuse to give examples. Let's hear your BS.

And again. It's funny as my chain of command, disagrees with you 100%. Hmm I wonder why that is. I am sure it is not because you are a know nothing political hack whose only real experience in the Army was marching pretty. So again it looks like you are talking about things you are clueless on. How very unsurprising.

You knowledge of SOF looks to be just as extensive and factual as the rest of your knowledge of the military, in other words nonexistent. But no real surprise there either.

And of course you as usual have to end your post with more tangmobable. And it's pathetically inaccurate babe at that. I have commented on the majority of those subjects at one time or another on here. Especially on what I think of Trump. So again you prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

You really should just run away.

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Tangmo said:

I never said you weren't at your level.

Your natural level.

Which unfortunately isn't on the level.

For one thing your posts are rinse and repeat.

You have your set in stone and repeated unprofessional bias that, because it is subjective and arbitrary, is at a severe variance from US Army fundamentals of mission and purpose. You violate severely force cohesion, unity of common purpose, mission, goals, methods and means.

Further, my own observation of Special Forces which I don't doubt you are in was long ago when they were in formative stages, i.e., the Vietnam Era during which I served. I've seen over the decades since that too many special forces/ops troops are so far over on the political and cultural right that they've become what we once fought against in war to defeat. I haven't any doubt that is where you are coming from. I've not doubted it for a long time now.

You stay away from mention of Russia, you don't mention China, nor do you cite NK or Iran or other enemies of the USA. And you certainly never mention Trump. Your focus is here to state your skewed views, as in the above, which identifies you as a subset of your profession. And of your mos.

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Tangmo said:

You and the other rightwinger E-7 are Frick and Frack.

Aka: Rinse and Repeat.

A matching set. All I ever put to you was a question: When are you going to win one? After all this time there's still no answer.

So it is of no concern to me that I consign you to a shrouded fate too. You in fact consign yourselves, one after the other.

Do carry on...

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Fledermaus said:

Now Special Forces are maligned by our *special* military expert.

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Tangmo said:

You and the other rightwinger E-7 are Frick and Frack.

Aka: Rinse and Repeat.

A matching set. All I ever put to you was a question: When are you going to win one? After all this time there's still no answer.

So it is of no concern to me that I consign you to a shrouded fate too. You in fact consign yourselves, one after the other.

Do carry on...

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braindrain said:

The problem is you try and use your military service which you spent, in a ceremonial unit, to pretend you know anything at all about actual war fighting. That would be as silly as me trying to tell you how to march all pretty.

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Oozlefinch said:

To be honest, I doubt his entire story.

Since he says he was an Infantry Officer (11A), and was in a Ceremonial unit in Washington DC, that has to mean the 3rd US Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard). Specifically the 1st battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment.

Now I have to wonder how often that unit accepts "green" 2nd Lieutenants as part of their unit. At least in anything other than an administrative role, I am sure that for supply or admin it would not matter, but it would matter a lot for the ceremonial units (11X Infantry).

I know that in the Marines, such units never get Green Lieutenants just out of schooling. They are always sent first to serve in fleet units for 4-6 years, and are generally on the waiting list to pick up Captain before they get posted to a Marine Barracks or other similar posting. At least, they never get Officers who are of the primary MOS of the unit itself. Yes, at Marine Barracks Mare Island we did have a 2nd Lieutenant who was the assistant S-4, but she was not Infantry and in an Infantry unit. We also had a brand new 2nd Lieutenant that arrived shortly before I left the unit. But he was a Mustang, and had been an Infantry Staff Sergeant before getting his commission so that really does not count.

I really have to question a brand new 2nd Lieutenant going to such a unit, and having to lead such ceremonies with almost no awards other than the Army Service Ribbon. This unit for the ceremonial units does not get "assigned" individuals, they have to either apply or get selected by one of their recruiting teams. They are selected from Soldiers in actual Infantry units, and the same is done with Officers.

In fact, in looking at the application for officers, it appears that the only way you can get in (as an Infantry Officer) is to apply while you are in an Infantry unit. It includes things like "Signature of the first O6 in your chain of command" and "Last three Officer Evaluation Reports", as well as letters of recommendation from your senior rater.

In my over 6 years in such postings, I never once saw a Boot Louie assigned to a position where they would be in command of Marines. Unless they are in a technical MOS they are always sent to a regular unit for "seasoning" before being assigned to such posts. Otherwise, if they stayed in and rotated to their next duty station as a senior 1st Lieutenant they would have no idea how to actually accomplish the duties they were supposed to be expert in.

I know it was hard enough going to the Fleet as a Corporal after over 3 years in such a posting. I can not imagine the military doing that to an Officer.

And when you are in such a posting, everybody should know that it is a special unit, and not the "regular military". In general such postings are thrown out as a "bone" to the Infantry who often spend years doing some of the hardest duties, as a way to have a work schedule that is closer to that of a "real job", and allow them to recover from the rigors of that job field. Before they were all closed down, the Marine Barracks were commonly seen at least once or twice by most who had done more than 10 years in the Corps (unless instead they went to other postings like Recruiting, Drill Field, Sea Duty, I&I Duty, or Embassy Duty). Do 4-6 years in a Fleet unit, then 2-4 years in a "B Billet", then back to the Fleet again.

It was very rare in the 1980's to see a Marine Infantry Staff Sergeant or above who had not done at least 1 of those duties in their career. In fact, in 1 case I knew a Gunnery Sergeant who had only spent 3 years in "The Fleet". He started at Marine Barracks Guam, then went to the Fleet. Then to Embassy Duty, Recruiting, and the Drill Field. He was in his sunset tour when I met him in 1996 as part of the Inspector Instructor staff at a Reserve unit in LA. I myself spent only 4 years in the Fleet, spending over 6 years in 2 different Marine Barracks.

So yea, I do not believe his story because it does not make sense.

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Oozlefinch said:

To be honest, I doubt his entire story.

Since he says he was an Infantry Officer (11A), and was in a Ceremonial unit in Washington DC, that has to mean the 3rd US Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard). Specifically the 1st battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment.

Now I have to wonder how often that unit accepts "green" 2nd Lieutenants as part of their unit. At least in anything other than an administrative role, I am sure that for supply or admin it would not matter, but it would matter a lot for the ceremonial units (11X Infantry).

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I really have to question a brand new 2nd Lieutenant going to such a unit, and having to lead such ceremonies with almost no awards other than the Army Service Ribbon. This unit for the ceremonial units does not get "assigned" individuals, they have to either apply or get selected by one of their recruiting teams. They are selected from Soldiers in actual Infantry units, and the same is done with Officers.

In fact, in looking at the application for officers, it appears that the only way you can get in (as an Infantry Officer) is to apply while you are in an Infantry unit. It includes things like "Signature of the first O6 in your chain of command" and "Last three Officer Evaluation Reports", as well as letters of recommendation from your senior rater.

In my over 6 years in such postings, I never once saw a Boot Louie assigned to a position where they would be in command of Marines. Unless they are in a technical MOS they are always sent to a regular unit for "seasoning" before being assigned to such posts. Otherwise, if they stayed in and rotated to their next duty station as a senior 1st Lieutenant they would have no idea how to actually accomplish the duties they were supposed to be expert in.

I know it was hard enough going to the Fleet as a Corporal after over 3 years in such a posting. I can not imagine the military doing that to an Officer.

And when you are in such a posting, everybody should know that it is a special unit, and not the "regular military". In general such postings are thrown out as a "bone" to the Infantry who often spend years doing some of the hardest duties, as a way to have a work schedule that is closer to that of a "real job", and allow them to recover from the rigors of that job field. Before they were all closed down, the Marine Barracks were commonly seen at least once or twice by most who had done more than 10 years in the Corps (unless instead they went to other postings like Recruiting, Drill Field, Sea Duty, I&I Duty, or Embassy Duty). Do 4-6 years in a Fleet unit, then 2-4 years in a "B Billet", then back to the Fleet again.

It was very rare in the 1980's to see a Marine Infantry Staff Sergeant or above who had not done at least 1 of those duties in their career. In fact, in 1 case I knew a Gunnery Sergeant who had only spent 3 years in "The Fleet". He started at Marine Barracks Guam, then went to the Fleet. Then to Embassy Duty, Recruiting, and the Drill Field. He was in his sunset tour when I met him in 1996 as part of the Inspector Instructor staff at a Reserve unit in LA. I myself spent only 4 years in the Fleet, spending over 6 years in 2 different Marine Barracks.

So yea, I do not believe his story because it does not make sense.

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Tangmo said:

My honorable active duty service was from 1966 to 1970.

I went from graduating university Rotc and commissioning as a 2LT of Infantry and directly to the 3rd Infantry Regiment, Ft. Myer Va. I was assigned command of 3rd platoon (firing party), company E Echo (Honor Guard Company), 1st Btn (Reinf), The Old Guard. Colonel commanding was Joseph B. Conmy Jr. who was born while his Army captain father was in the 3rd Inf Rgt as company commander of D Delta Company, 1st Btn. The Conmys are a legend in the Old Guard that is true and respected. Colonel Joe is Honorary Old Guard Commander, as designated by Department of the Army, forever. The only one.

Army officer promotions were a joke to Army officers themselves back then. Promotions of Army officers was rigid, tight, precise. Then as now, Rotc officers had a four year obligation, West Point officers had a five year commitment. After one year a 2LT was promoted to 1 LT. After one year a 1Lt was promoted to captain. You were a captain for the next two years (Rotc officer) or the next three years (West Point officer). It was clockwork. As I'd said officers in the Army make jokes about it, my personal favorite was that the only way you could avoid promotion was to go Awol (which none of us did of course, as it is a joke ha).

Your post from over there on the enlisted nco retired right wing does not square with my experience for myriad reasons, the time difference being the major and principal one. What you do say is pretty much true -- in the present. Only. Not back then.

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Cordelier said:

People who have strings they can pull are liable to end up anywhere. I wouldn't discount that possibility.

Either way, though, the way I figure it, none of this means a damn thing. Everybody knows for themselves what's true and what is not. The only reason for anyone to come out and beat their chests is if they feel like they've got something to prove.

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Tangmo said:

The only reason they charge out and accuse and deny is that they are career lifer nco retired rightwingers who can't compete and who can't dominate discussions of things military and veterans. Neither can the rightwinger nco retired have their continued absolute control over matters military and veterans alike.

The longer this is the case the more restless the retired nco rightwingers become. Outclassed is what they are, the retired nco lifer rightwinger veterans. That's it in a nutshell. This is yet another year of it for 'em. With the crunch time of a potus election having begun already. So the rightwing nco retired lifers are trying to stage a surge to run out the competition. Reclaim their old and lost ground. It's a fail of course, as it has been a fail over the past several years here, and as it will be a fail always.

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Rogue Valley said:

Top US general calls for more troops and warships to counter growing Russian threat

This on the heels of a call by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson to confront Russia and China with more "muscular" responses. No US commanders are liking what they see regarding threats from a resurgent Russian military.

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Tangmo said:

The only reason they charge out and accuse and deny is that they are career lifer nco retired rightwingers who can't compete and who can't dominate discussions of things military and veterans.

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Tangmo said:

Neither can the rightwinger nco retired have their continued absolute control over matters military and veterans alike.

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Tangmo said:

The longer this is the case the more restless the retired nco rightwingers become. Outclassed is what they are, the retired nco lifer rightwinger veterans. That's it in a nutshell. This is yet another year of it for 'em. With the crunch time of a potus election having begun already. So the rightwing nco retired lifers are trying to stage a surge to run out the competition. Reclaim their old and lost ground. It's a fail of course, as it has been a fail over the past several years here, and as it will be a fail always.

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Cordelier said:

Give it a break, Tangmo.... all that really matters in a debate is one's ability to hold up their particular side of the argument. Experience only matters in that gives an individual insight and wisdom which they can then use to bolster their point of view. But at the end of the day - in a debate forum, anyway - it's only the insight that matters, not the experience itself - that's just a means to the end.

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Tangmo said:

Give it a rest junior because you're not superior to anyone here. Your posts are the evidence and the proof, conclusively. You're pedestrian in fact.

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Tangmo said:

Give it a rest junior because you're not superior to anyone here. Your posts are the evidence and the proof, conclusively. You're pedestrian in fact.

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Cordelier said:

*LOL* I've been called worse things by better people.

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