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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for all who served in vietnam. When my time came to go, I was 'saved' because I was a heroin addict at fifteen and still was when the time came for my selective service registration, it kept me out of vietnam. I used the word 'saved' from vietnam and then went on to abuse heroin for over twenty years. Thankfully I've been clean from my demon now for thirty years. I had the opportunity to visit the traveling wall. I looked for the time period that I would have been there, found it, ran my hands across the names and cried. Some of my friends came back as heroin addicts and others with drinking problems. My thoughts are this, many went to a foreign land to a war they never wanted to be in, some signed up for it and in my opinion, most once there realized we were there for??? I think that is the big part of the problem, people after being there for a while thought it was bull**** we were dying for all the wrong reasons. Came home to a very unfriendly america and thought WTF? To use the proper military term it was a huge SNAFU to the returning service folks. It was an all around bad time for america. Again my heartfelt thanks to all who did serve.
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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    A grateful nation salutes the both of you.

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    Not to denigrate their service, but what are we supposed to thank them for? We were the bad guys in Vietnam. We had no business in Vietnam, and it has nothing to do with American freedoms or service to Americans> it's not the soldiers fault, they were doing their jobs

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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Today walking out of Walmart I saw a guy sitting on a bench inside near the door. He was wearing a hat that identified him as a Vietnam Vet. I stopped and introduced myself and said, "Welcome home" as is sometimes or frequently said to Vietnam Vets because we didn't get much or any of that when we rotated back.

    He was a crusty old war dog who earned his chops up around Kontum, in the central highlands. As we sat and talked he still had wonder and amazement in his eyes. You can't fake that.

    He had pictures in his wallet he showed me.

    We shared war stories and laughed and sometimes just sat there for a while enjoying the company and a mutual understanding that didn't require words.

    I love old war dogs. God, they make me proud!

    It is difficult to know exactly how many of us are left. Best estimates are only a third of those who served are still living.

    Estimates are that between 9 and 12 million men falsely claim to be Vietnam Veterans when less than 3 million Americans served in Vietnam, less than 10 percent of the population during the Vietnam War.

    Next week will mark my 50th anniversary of having shipped over. It often seems like yesterday. It will be a huge week for me and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

    The old war dog I talked with told me how he had a difficult time coming home. He was excited and afraid to come back. Me too! He soon decided that he no longer fit in America and volunteered to go back. Me too.

    It never goes away. Sometimes you just miss the hell out of it and that scares the **** out of you. And then you dream about it or you meet some crusty old ****er sitting on a bench in Walmart and neither of you can stop talking about it.

    I remember reading once where in an interview someone asked a Vietnam Veteran when was the last time he was in Vietnam. The vet said, "Last night."
    My father passed about 3 years ago now....he did three tours in nam, with his first ending with a sniper bullet hitting him on Christmas Day in 1965. He returned twice more between 1965 and 1972....and my mom, and my brothers and sisters were always wondering if and when he would return. But he did....a very quiet man, for a very long time. And he never spoke about that experience until much much later in his life. When he was diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma, he moved in with me and the wife for his last couple of years. We had the best conversations of our life during that span....and I am forever grateful for that time with him.

    He brought a lot of guys back to the house for dinners on occasion, but they too were very quiet and reserved. I think that war changed the lives of many of great men, and we as a country did a great disservice to them. I know politically the war wasn’t popular, but these young men did what they were asked to do....or ordered to do more specifically, and to treat them as baby killers when they returned was just wrong.

    Anyway...thank you for your service, and the gentlemen you met. I hope you have been to the wall in DC....I took my dad there every Memorial Day for years so he could have an hour or two with his buddies.
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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    Not to denigrate their service, but what are we supposed to thank them for? We were the bad guys in Vietnam. We had no business in Vietnam, and it has nothing to do with American freedoms or service to Americans> it's not the soldiers fault, they were doing their jobs
    Because their country called, and they answered....simple enough

    They didn’t make the decisions to go to war....they were kids mostly

    The politicians you can denigrate and abuse....the soldiers deserve your respect and your support
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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    I served with hundreds of Vietnam vets, mostly guys that were on swift boats, PBR's, and other Riverine type duties, and I have 3 Vietnam Vets (cousins) in the family.

    Most of them came through it ok, but for some of them........... the Navy just let them put their time in because they were too far gone to function.

    I am still in contact with quite a few of them today.

    One of my Vietnam Vet cousins (Army) who I was very close to drank himself into oblivion for 15 years after he came home, and right up until they found him frozen to death in some cabin back in Maine. He was the one guy that knew how to handle a street punk kid like me, and ended up putting me to work in the woods and doing masonry work with him after I quit HS. He was the one to sign the paperwork as my guardian when I committed to the Navy with the delayed entry program. He would also insist on driving me to night school just to make sure I went. I was on a ship and deployed at the time when I got the news. I guess I always knew something like that was going to happen sooner or later with him, but it still affected me pretty bad for a while. The ship offered to put me ashore in Italy and give me a couple weeks leave, but he had told me many times before boot camp to never come back to this "****ing **** hole"......just go and make a life away from here.
    Kinda reminds me of that old song, I think by Poison, with the description "a suicidal Vietnam Vet".

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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    Not to denigrate their service, but what are we supposed to thank them for? We were the bad guys in Vietnam. We had no business in Vietnam, and it has nothing to do with American freedoms or service to Americans> it's not the soldiers fault, they were doing their jobs
    I've seen some of your posts alluding to this mindset, so I am aware of it, and I won't even try to engage in a battle of wits with you on it because I already know that you'll never get it, so it would be a waste of my time.
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    Exactly who do you think you are, Generalissimo? Enough of your holier than thou. I get my preaching in church. Maybe they'll name a cocktail after you and you'll be famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    I think that war changed the lives of many of great men, and we as a country did a great disservice to them. I know politically the war wasn’t popular, but these young men did what they were asked to do....or ordered to do more specifically, and to treat them as baby killers when they returned was just wrong.
    I simply feel that if we are to apply a moral standard to war, it has to be both something that we can live with, and also something that can allow us to live if applied conversely to us, however being ever mindful of the fact that another government might not ever stop to think of applying any standard whatsoever, save one.
    And that's because that is what war is.

    All wars, even defensive ones, are the manifestation of the actionable acknowledgment that all else which would prevent war has ultimately failed. The soldier is not the mind and brain behind such lofty decisions, he is the muscle.
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    Exactly who do you think you are, Generalissimo? Enough of your holier than thou. I get my preaching in church. Maybe they'll name a cocktail after you and you'll be famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    When I was in Saigon a few months back I sneaked out of the hotel room after my son was asleep to get a beer. Met an old man beside me at the bar who was an American. Had a few beers with him and found out he was a Vietnam vet. When I asked him why he was in Saigon, he told me it was about closure. I thanked him for his service.
    Does Saigon (now Ho Chi Mihn City) still stink of Nuoc Mam fish head sauce and excrement? When I was there in 67-69 there were people using the gutters for bathrooms.
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    Re: Vietnam Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Thank you, thank you, thank you for all who served in vietnam. When my time came to go, I was 'saved' because I was a heroin addict at fifteen and still was when the time came for my selective service registration, it kept me out of vietnam. I used the word 'saved' from vietnam and then went on to abuse heroin for over twenty years. Thankfully I've been clean from my demon now for thirty years. I had the opportunity to visit the traveling wall. I looked for the time period that I would have been there, found it, ran my hands across the names and cried. Some of my friends came back as heroin addicts and others with drinking problems. My thoughts are this, many went to a foreign land to a war they never wanted to be in, some signed up for it and in my opinion, most once there realized we were there for??? I think that is the big part of the problem, people after being there for a while thought it was bull**** we were dying for all the wrong reasons. Came home to a very unfriendly america and thought WTF? To use the proper military term it was a huge SNAFU to the returning service folks. It was an all around bad time for america. Again my heartfelt thanks to all who did serve.
    You're welcome. I've always believed we were there fighting for the freedom of the South Vietnamese, and fighting against communism. I still believe that. We weren't ultimately successful but we did hit a mighty lick against the North Vietnamese butchers - one they'll remember for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    You're welcome. I've always believed we were there fighting for the freedom of the South Vietnamese, and fighting against communism. I still believe that. We weren't ultimately successful but we did hit a mighty lick against the North Vietnamese butchers - one they'll remember for a long time.
    Thanks for your service.
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