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    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships


    USS Lassen (DDG 82) patrols the eastern Pacific Ocean.

    2/7/19
    Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson called for the US to go on the offensive against Russia and China as the great power US adversaries use their navies in increasingly aggressive land, sea, and power grabs. In 2014, Russia illegally annexed Crimea from Ukraine with military force. In November 2018, Russia's navy attacked and took custody of Ukrainian sailors while briefly shutting down Ukrainian access to the Sea of Azov, which Crimea separates from the Black Sea. Also, as Russia bolstered Syria's shaky regime during its 8-year-long civil war, it's grown its naval presence in the Eastern Mediterranean. China, after promising in 2015 not to militarize the South China Sea, has done exactly that with sophisticated radars, missile launchers, and some rotation of combat aircraft to the artificial islands built there by Beijing. In October 2018, a Chinese destroyer had an unsafe encounter with a US destroyer in what looked like an attempt to crash into the ship in the contested waterway. At an Atlantic Council event on Wednesday, Richardson took questions that pressed him on how the US should respond to these growing threats, and he generally called for more aggression and putting the ball in Beijing and Moscow's court. Asked by former deputy secretary general of NATO Alexander Vershbow what the US could do to push back against Russia increasingly taking over key waterways, Richardson said it's time to strike first.

    Richardson said the US has to think about "not only responses in pushing back, but how do we push first in a couple of areas? I think it would be great if we could get folks, Russians, some of these competitors to respond to our first move. There's an advantage every now and then to playing the white side of the board." Russian forces routinely test the US Navy with dangerous stunts at air and sea. Twice in 2018 Russian jets buzzed dangerously close to US Navy planes, and in 2015 two Su-24s repeatedly simulated bombing runs on destroyer USS Donald Cook. Richardson said that increasing training with partner forces in the area, establishing a headquarters in a nearby allied country like Romania could give the US more leverage to respond, but then made a surprising revelation. "One area where we're doing some new things is with respect to missile defense. So we have Aegis Ashore in Romania, I think that that capability makes a tremendous statement [to Russia]," said Richardson. On China, which recently threatened to sink US Navy aircraft carriers with a new set of missiles it's widely publicized, Richardson pointed to a recent trip to Beijing in which he urged stability, but still called for a "muscular" response. "Let's not be obstructing one another, driving our ships in front of one another, throwing obstacles in front of the ship. Let's just be biased towards making it easy," Richardson said in calling for a treaty on behavior at sea. Ultimately, Richardson said that once rules are agreed upon between the US and China, it's on the US to strongly enforce those rules. "Just putting some of these enforcement mechanisms in so it makes it harder to play fast and loose with the rules. But you've got to make a move to enforce those things. I think a lot of that structure exists, it's just we've got to be a little more muscular to enforce it," he said.
    Notably in the Black Sea, Mediterranean, and the South China Sea, Adm. Richardson is proposing a policy of muscularity and making the 'first moves' on occasion (unpredictability?)

    I would like to see the US Navy become more aggressive and robust in areas. Does Adm. Richardson's way forward have to first have the blessings of the State Dept and Congress?


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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships



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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    It is as if everyone wants war...
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    All vague sound-bite talk by Richardson.

    The Aegis ashore base in Romania he mentions - so what? It's a defensive system, which could of course shoot down Russian jets in international airspace, but that's what - an aggressive and illegal act of war against a nuclear armed state.

    As Orphan Slug says, it's as if everyone wants war. But I doubt that they do if they thought about what it could mean. Richardson just sounds like he's talking sound-bites to further his career and reputation with the MIC.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian View Post
    As Orphan Slug says, it's as if everyone wants war.
    Russia forcefully annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, and kidnapped Ukrainian sailors on the high seas.

    Russia is the only one that wants a war.


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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships


    USS Lassen (DDG 82) patrols the eastern Pacific Ocean.



    Notably in the Black Sea, Mediterranean, and the South China Sea, Adm. Richardson is proposing a policy of muscularity and making the 'first moves' on occasion (unpredictability?)

    I would like to see the US Navy become more aggressive and robust in areas. Does Adm. Richardson's way forward have to first have the blessings of the State Dept and Congress?
    With consultation normally among Pentagon and State to perhaps include some members of congress given congressional support in advance would be a strong plus. Consultation to obtain data and situational awareness certainly with CIA, DIA, NSA and key allies that would be affected directly, namely Nato in Europe/Eurasia and on the other side of Asia Japan, SK, Australia and probably Singapore. Anything involving China would likely include some advisory of some nature to Taipei given PLA Navy and AF have been buzzing up to Taiwan territorial space constantly the past two years under the new pro independence government.

    Under Trump however Pentagon acting unilaterally and swiftly could also be expected instead. Pentagon gave up on dialogue with Russia and China during Obama's closing years and it was not alone in Washington as DepState talkers had concluded CCP Boys in Beijing were ignoring 'em completely. Gen. Joe Dunford chairman of Joint Chiefs continues to seek dialogue but the chiefs he leads and the theater commanders he has no control over have had it with Russia, China, Iran, NK. Trump wants Dunford to take an early out given his retirement comes in the summer and CSA Gen. Milley in -- Trump has already named Milley as Dunford's successor well well ahead of Dunford's scheduled departure. In announcing Milley as next JCS chairman Trump said he'd assume the position at a date to be announced. This was a thunderbolt of sorts to Dunford given Milley would succeed quietly, routinely and without any ado on Dunford's retirement. Dunford's office issued a response saying Dunford intends to serve his full term (his second two-year term which is final under law). Maybe Dunford will and maybe he won't.

    This JCS of service chiefs is the toughest group Pentagon has seen since Desert Storm when Powell was chairman. That JCS still had guys appointed by Reagan and new ones of same same by Bush 41. While this JCS are all Obama guys, they're guys who've been through the wringer of post 9/11, Beijing in the South China Sea, Putin's return to the presidency and Iran grabbing our navy guys plus the Carter hostage horror show while most of 'em were cadets.

    Indeed in 1996 Richardson was on staff of the NSC when he and director Sandy Berger told Clinton he needed to send two carrier groups to the Taiwan Strait instead of the one Pentagon had recommended. Beijing was lobbing missiles up to Taiwan's shores in the runup to the first democratic election of its president which CCP Boyz were certain was a very bad idea to start up doing. So two carrier groups were deployed at fast speed from east and west and Beijing put its tail between its legs. Maybe Obama wasn't quite listening when during Richardson's interview for CNO he told the CinC his first priority was to prepare the Navy to win wars. The Marine Dunford was OB's commander in Afghanistan by which time he'd earned the nick "Fighting Joe" and after which OB moved Dunford up to commandant, then to chairman JCS.

    As CJCS however Washington has nicked him "Silent Joe." Dunford and McMaster. Milley who's the opposite has dominated the JCS since OB jumped Milley over other generals and appointed him CSA on the strong recommendation of Bob Gates. Milley and Mattis became known as the take no prisoners twins except that Mattis speaks somewhat softly about it. In contrast Milley's succession of combat commands made him an unknown in Washington to the point the local folk who met Milley say they thought he was coming at 'em to break their neck.

    Trump likes Milley's born in the USA manner and WWF tone, calling him the "bomb thrower in the White House." Trump jumped Milley to incoming CJCS over the next in line AF Chief Gen. Goldfein. Milley's my guy too cause he makes me think of Patton and 1945 when the four-star wanted to continue on into Russia. Methinks Milley is going to pick up where Gen. Patton had to take his leave. Don't get me wrong cause Milley is Princeton Rotc and has master degrees from Columbia and Naval War College, plus the competitive Harvard security seminar. It's just that Milley was captain of the hockey team or else.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships


    USS Lassen (DDG 82) patrols the eastern Pacific Ocean.



    Notably in the Black Sea, Mediterranean, and the South China Sea, Adm. Richardson is proposing a policy of muscularity and making the 'first moves' on occasion (unpredictability?)

    I would like to see the US Navy become more aggressive and robust in areas. Does Adm. Richardson's way forward have to first have the blessings of the State Dept and Congress?
    'Course he does. Say the US needs to get tough on Russian and Chinese ships. If you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Russia forcefully annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, and kidnapped Ukrainian sailors on the high seas. Russia is the only one that wants a war.
    Actually they want border security. I'm no Russian bot, I served in the 3AD back in the E-Vile Empire days. History has taught the Russians they have much to fear from the WEST. Time after time Russia has been invaded by Europeans, not the other way around. Imagine our history if we had been invaded repeatedly, million killed and our capital ravaged??? We gloss over the burning of the capital in 1814 and celebrate Ft. McHenry but Russia lost millions to European invaders.

    Now look at the map... where is The Crimea or Ukraine??? A Russian can stand on Russian soil and piss on either. Compare that to our 'wars' which are thousands of miles away but fought for 'national security'.

    How happy would we be if China built up a strong military presence in Mexico and her ships routinely called on their ports???

    No, like us, the Russians want a buffer- to fight them 'over there so we don't have to fight them here'....

    Only problem is Russia, not the USofA has lived that nightmare repeatedly...

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Only problem is Russia, not the USofA has lived that nightmare repeatedly...
    Only problem is Ukraine, is a sovereign nation of 45 million people.


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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Only problem is Ukraine, is a sovereign nation of 45 million people.
    Can say the same about Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama... and they were either thousands of miles away or a mote in our eye...

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