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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    We have militarized Europe. Look what we did when Russia tried to Militarize Cuba.
    Agreed, many dismiss Russian fears as baseless (ignore history) but would crap a ton if China or Russia put as big a military force on our border...

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Based on what?
    Based on the indisputable fact that far more consumer goods come into the US from China than go the other way.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    LOL, so your entire thesis is based on stereotypes and personal animosities? Solid reasoning there, GM.
    What stereotypes? What animosities? Do you deny that Chinese goods enter the US through 'back doors'? That's pretty much the basis of Trump's trade war with China.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Recollections are a funny thing Try reading about the history of the Panama region and our involvement to overthrow a sovereign nation (Columbia) to gain a sweet heart deal on the canal zone.
    Nothing is the matter with my memory. Government coups are not annexations, which Russia has done with Crimea.


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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    The man - and anybody who thinks like him - is nuts ... for wanting to start a war with Russia and China simultaneously.

    Is he planning on a CNN career after leaving the military or why is he already full of ****?!?
    Adm. Richardson isn't talking about war with anyone much less simultaneously.

    Richardson is talking about regaining the initiative which is held by Russia and China. Cause them to react to us rather than the other way around as it's been for a decade or more. Restraint and turning the other cheek hasn't worked for the US in virtually anything. Putting Russia and China back on their heels for a change. It's a significant change of post cold war policy that is long overdue. Nobody's going to be bombing anybody. Putin for instance is going to get ulcers over the Azov Sea, Ukraine and his Crimea bridge. Xi is going to lose his pasted smiley face over the South China Sea and so on. US isn't going to be blowing up anyone as it's now up to the other guy to hold his water.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Adm. Richardson isn't talking about war with anyone much less simultaneously.

    Richardson is talking about regaining the initiative which is held by Russia and China. Cause them to react to us rather than the other way around as it's been for a decade or more. Restraint and turning the other cheek hasn't worked for the US in virtually anything. Putting Russia and China back on their heels for a change. It's a significant change of post cold war policy that is long overdue. Nobody's going to be bombing anybody. Putin for instance is going to get ulcers over the Azov Sea, Ukraine and his Crimea bridge. Xi is going to lose his pasted smiley face over the South China Sea and so on. US isn't going to be blowing up anyone as it's now up to the other guy to hold his water.


    You're whistling in the wind my friend.


    Geography dictates that the US will never hold the initiative in the Black Sea or South China Sea. The US will always be reactive because it can't project sufficient power to those locales relative to the land based power.


    Richardson might try to roar like a lion, but cruel facts of geography mean that he and his war party friends sound like a little lamb when it comes to these regions. Putin and Xi won't be losing any sleep over this fool.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Based on the indisputable fact that far more consumer goods come into the US from China than go the other way.
    And . . .?




    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal
    What stereotypes? What animosities? Do you deny that Chinese goods enter the US through 'back doors'? That's pretty much the basis of Trump's trade war with China.
    LOL, great non-argument.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    And . . .?




    LOL, great non-argument.
    It's just a waste of time trying to discuss with you. Your attention span doesn't bridge from one post to the next and I'll be damned if I'm gonna start over every time, quoting previous posts to show you what's been said so far.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    All we need to do to be prepared fort war is undo the damage president Clinton and president Obama did to our military. We shoildn't provoke anyone.
    We're NOT "provoking" anybody other than by abiding by international laws for freedom of the seas and skies.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Maybe., but what yo speak of is to provoke them into action.

    Pretty low and unethical.
    Nope, not speaking of that at all. Assert our legal rights is not provocation.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Russia forcefully annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, and kidnapped Ukrainian sailors on the high seas.

    Russia is the only one that wants a war.
    That is a false statement.

    Just in the last several years there have been several incidents in which Russian aircraft have been shot down wrongly, and Russia did not escalate or retaliate.

    Considering that the western powers are military aggressors in many locations, their actions work against peace. Putin has sought peace and restrained the military response in the process.

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