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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Can say the same about Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama... and they were either thousands of miles away or a mote in our eye...
    I don't recall the US ever annexing any of those countries.


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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships
    The prospect and consequences of first hitting Russian or Chinese ships are, IMO, nothing the US, in the current geopolitical circumstances, should want or undertake.
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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships


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    Notably in the Black Sea, Mediterranean, and the South China Sea, Adm. Richardson is proposing a policy of muscularity and making the 'first moves' on occasion (unpredictability?)

    I would like to see the US Navy become more aggressive and robust in areas. Does Adm. Richardson's way forward have to first have the blessings of the State Dept and Congress?
    Probably not, per se. As long as we're abiding by international law; standing naval order is commanders always have the right to act to defend their commands.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It is as if everyone wants war...
    I suspect very few, if any, "want war". Being prepared for war is another thing.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian View Post
    All vague sound-bite talk by Richardson.

    The Aegis ashore base in Romania he mentions - so what? It's a defensive system, which could of course shoot down Russian jets in international airspace, but that's what - an aggressive and illegal act of war against a nuclear armed state.
    I imagine there are some pretty involved Rules of Engagement involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian
    As Orphan Slug says, it's as if everyone wants war. But I doubt that they do if they thought about what it could mean. Richardson just sounds like he's talking sound-bites to further his career and reputation with the MIC.
    It's call preparedness.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships
    well, that would be ****ing stupid.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    'Course he does. Say the US needs to get tough on Russian and Chinese ships. If you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
    This makes no sense.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I don't recall the US ever annexing any of those countries.
    Recollections are a funny thing Try reading about the history of the Panama region and our involvement to overthrow a sovereign nation (Columbia) to gain a sweet heart deal on the canal zone...

    We annexed our way across the continent (calling it the will of GAWD- Manifest Destiny)

    Try reading up on Hawaii....

    That Russia annexed territory it had previously held isn't the issue- you move the goal post- it is Russia doesn't want war, it wants a buffer to stop WESTERN invasions which cost millions of Russian lives. Again you don't seem to be able to see any POV but some 'righteous' 'Merican one...

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    The prospect and consequences of first hitting Russian or Chinese ships is, IMO, nothing the US, in the current geopolitical circumstances, should want or undertake.
    I agree. I took CNO's comments to mean we need to aggressively enforce laws of innocent passage and internationally recognized territorial airspace and waters. I didn't read any shoot-first guidance.

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    Re: Navy chief says the US needs to hit first and get 'muscular' with Russian and Chinese ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    I agree. I took CNO's comments to mean we need to aggressively enforce laws of innocent passage and internationally recognized territorial airspace and waters. I didn't read any shoot-first guidance.
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