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More than a rifle: How a new 6.8mm round, advanced optics will make soldiers, Marines a lot deadlier

"AR-10", not "M-10".

Since I was not in the military, I will defer to someone who has been, which apparently is you. I am quite good with my AR, but I can always learn more. Seems I have learned something today. Thank you.

NOTE: A lot of people claim an AR is an assault rifle. I strongly disagree. It's the best deer rifle I have ever owned. It's also good for home defense, although my pistol is more of a sure thing. LOL.
 
Since I was not in the military, I will defer to someone who has been, which apparently is you. I am quite good with my AR, but I can always learn more. Seems I have learned something today. Thank you.

NOTE: A lot of people claim an AR is an assault rifle. I strongly disagree. It's the best deer rifle I have ever owned. It's also good for home defense, although my pistol is more of a sure thing. LOL.

You should look into AR pistols. Best of both worlds.
 
You should look into AR pistols. Best of both worlds.

I have a Beretta .25 and a Ruger .22, which is single action. I don't use the .25 any more, as getting ammo for it isn't that easy. Tried out a 9MM, but prefer the .22. Don't want an AR pistol. You can't conceal carry them. Also, if you shoulder the AR pistol using a brace, doesn't it then become a short barreled rifle and violate the law?
 
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I have a Beretta .25 and a Ruger .22, which is single action. I don't use the .25 any more, as getting ammo for it isn't that easy. Tried out a 9MM, but prefer the .22. Don't want an AR pistol. You can't conceal carry them.

You can if you combine a 5.11 Tactical Select Carry Sling Pack and an AR pistol with a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.
 
Absolutely! :lol:

Did you try the 77 Sierras or Noslers? I've read they perform better than the Hornadys. I've got about 200 of the 75s sitting on the bench right now.
 
I have a Beretta .25 and a Ruger .22, which is single action. I don't use the .25 any more, as getting ammo for it isn't that easy. Tried out a 9MM, but prefer the .22. Don't want an AR pistol. You can't conceal carry them.

They are also the WORST of both worlds, in my opinion.
They are not steady to shoot like a rifle, too bulky for a pistol, and suspending them out there in the air with two hands at different points does not improve anything over a handgun.
Either get a handgun or get a rifle. Not some goofy inaccurate hybrid of both.
In my opinion at least.

I can point shoot handgun with one hand very quickly.. Try that with one of those monstrosities.
You do not have any of the advantages of a rifle or a handgun.
 
They are also the WORST of both worlds, in my opinion.
They are not steady to shoot like a rifle, too bulky for a pistol, and suspending them out there in the air with two hands at different points does not improve anything over a handgun.
Either get a handgun or get a rifle. Not some goofy inaccurate hybrid of both.
In my opinion at least.

I can point shoot handgun with one hand very quickly.. Try that with one of those monstrosities.
You do not have any of the advantages of a rifle or a handgun.

I pretty much use a two hand grip on my .22, but I agree with the point you made. An AR pistol might be nice for the range, but I don't see any practical value in it.
 

I would like to say something and hope you do not get mad at me.

The M-16 is a direct-impingement gas operated system. The gas tube pushes directly on the bolt and pushes it back to cycle the action. That is what that little periscope looking like thing is on your bolt. It sticks directly in the gas tube and the hot gases from a fired round go in a small hole near the muzzle (and out the bore), down that long aluminum tube you see through the top handguard, and then push that little periscope looking like thing on the bolt and it cycles the action. This is why it is called DIRECT-IMPINGEMENT. The gases push the bolt directly rather than pushing on a piston to cycle the bolt. It is dirty, but it is very fast.

They liked the direct impingement system because it is very fast on full auto, but it also dumps gas and fouling all inside the action.
A piston system is also gas operated, but the gases push a piston instead of pushing directly on the bolt to operate the action.

I do not know what type gas system your Mossberg has, but as a general rule the piston system is cleaner.
For us civilians who can't call in a helo for more ammo, either system works just fine for us.
We can't really shoot them that much in one session to cause them to gum up.

My Rock River in DI and is completely reliable because i clean it each and every time I am done with her.
OK, not each and every time, but mostly.
My piston RPK and FAL are even nicer, but all are fun to shoot.

That is why I did not hassle too much about what type gas system your Mossberg had.
I doubt you will shoot it enough to gum it up anyway.
 
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I would like to say something and hope you do not get mad at me.

The M-16 is a direct-impingement gas operated system. The gas tube pushes directly on the bolt and pushes it back to cycle the action. That is what that little periscope looking like thing is on your bolt. It sticks directly in the gas tube and the hot gases from a fired round go in a small hole near the muzzle (and out the bore), down that long aluminum tube you see through the top handguard, and then push that little periscope looking like thing on the bolt and it cycles the action. This is why it is called DIRECT-IMPINGEMENT. The gases push the bolt directly rather than pushing on a piston to cycle the bolt. It is dirty, but it is very fast.

They liked the direct impingement system because it is very fast on full auto, but it also dumps gas and fouling all inside the action.
A piston system is also gas operated, but the gases push a piston instead of pushing directly on the bolt to operate the action.

Not mad. I was corrected on this earlier by another poster. LOL.
 
They are also the WORST of both worlds, in my opinion.
They are not steady to shoot like a rifle, too bulky for a pistol, and suspending them out there in the air with two hands at different points does not improve anything over a handgun.
Either get a handgun or get a rifle. Not some goofy inaccurate hybrid of both.
In my opinion at least.

I can point shoot handgun with one hand very quickly.. Try that with one of those monstrosities.
You do not have any of the advantages of a rifle or a handgun.

“With respect to stabilizing braces, ATF has concluded that attaching the brace to a handgun as a forearm brace does not ‘make’ a short-barreled firearm because … it is not intended to be and cannot comfortably be fired from the shoulder.” The letter continues: “Therefore, an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not re-configured for use as a shoulder stock — even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder.

ATF Clarifies Ruling on Pistol Stabilizing Braces - Soldier Systems Daily
 
“With respect to stabilizing braces, ATF has concluded that attaching the brace to a handgun as a forearm brace does not ‘make’ a short-barreled firearm because … it is not intended to be and cannot comfortably be fired from the shoulder.” The letter continues: “Therefore, an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not re-configured for use as a shoulder stock — even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder.

ATF Clarifies Ruling on Pistol Stabilizing Braces - Soldier Systems Daily

That answers a previous question I posted.
 
No, an M-16 uses a gas piston. An AR-15 is in the M-16 class, but there are differences. The M-16 class is a misnomer, since an M-16 and an AR-15 have some differences. Both are based on the M-10, which Colt bought the patent to in the 1960's. M-16's were used beginning in Vietnam, but most of those have been replaced by the M-4. And, since the patent ran out on them, everybody is making AR-15's now. Mine is a Mossberg, which got into the game late, but makes an excellent one. I got it because of Mossberg's reputation for their craftsmanship with shotguns, which used to be the only things they manufactured. Just a couple of things I don't like about the Mossberg. 1) The safety is a little awkward to get to, and 2) The butt stock is a bit uncomfortable. Other than that, it's a great rifle. I like it better than the Bushmaster.

You can replace the buttstock on the Mossberg with something nicer in about 15 seconds.
 
I pretty much use a two hand grip on my .22, but I agree with the point you made. An AR pistol might be nice for the range, but I don't see any practical value in it.

...all the disadvantages and none of the advantages.
 
Which question? I went back and looked but didn't see anything obvious.

Actually, it was a post you replied to earlier before I was done editing it. That question was kind of an afterthought.
 
when was the last time an active shooter used a military issued rifle?

The clueless believe they are used in every shooting thanks to our media and misinformation by the left.
 
It's as solid to hold as a rifle, with the same ammo and magazines, and shorter for maneuverability.

I'd still rather use a regular single-action pistol for home defense, and an AR pistol would be worthless for hunting.
 
It's as solid to hold as a rifle, with the same ammo and magazines, and shorter for maneuverability.

Next time I get in a firefight in a phone booth, I will consider one.
I have yet to envision a situation my A2 or CZ-75 could not deal with in those circumstances.

but....you enjoy them to your heart's content.
We are all friends here.

One a side note, for a quick snap shot, I have not found anything quicker or more on target than my Rossi lever action carbine.
For that one good quick shot, it is second to none.
 
I'd still rather use a regular single-action pistol for home defense, and an AR pistol would be worthless for hunting.

A single action pistol isn't my weapon of choice for any type of self defense - I'd prefer a full size 9mm semi-auto. For hunting, an AR pistol chambered in .300 Blackout shooting 110 gr Barnes TSX will have pretty much the same energy as a 70 gr Barnes TSX fired from a 5.56x45 AR. You can always change out the pistol upper for a full length upper in either .300 Blackout or 5.56mm without having to make any other changes. Uppers are as cheap as $200 right now.
 
I noticed that, which is why I edited my post to state that with a bump stock, an AR-15 is just as deadly, because it has been effectively converted to a class 3 rifle. At this time, bump stocks are still legal, which circumvented the original intent by Colt, the original manufacturer, as well as other manufacturers, to comply with the law.

I do not believe a bump stock on an AR-15 could be as accurate as an M-16. Just my opinion. I have never fired a bump stock. I have been trained on a M-16
 
Next time I get in a firefight in a phone booth, I will consider one.
I have yet to envision a situation my A2 or CZ-75 could not deal with in those circumstances.

but....you enjoy them to your heart's content.
We are all friends here.

Since an AR pistol is legally a pistol, you can carry in loaded in your vehicle. You can't do that with a rifle, and in the event I'm away from my home and need to defend myself, I'd rather have the AR than either my CZ P01 or my Shield. 20" barrel on the A2?

One a side note, for a quick snap shot, I have not found anything quicker or more on target than my Rossi lever action carbine.
For that one good quick shot, it is second to none.

Carbine version? Did they ever come in any caliber other than .45 LC that's on the website now?
 
I do not believe a bump stock on an AR-15 could be as accurate as an M-16. Just my opinion. I have never fired a bump stock. I have been trained on a M-16

Me too, although pre-Gulf war our training was only annual, and I'd never use the word "accurate" to describe my use of the M16 in full auto.
 
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