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Fifth Fleet Commander Dead

The Russians do know about those, so could be, though that speaks to means rather than motivation mostly.

I've read more than once that the Russians employ this technique fairly frequently.

In the absence of information, all any of us can do is speculate. I mean, maybe there was an ongoing domestic situation or he suffered from depression or had recently been given a terminal diagnosis or--who knows? All I know so far is that he wasn't under investigation.
 
So, if POTUS doesn't become involved in the temp replacement it's OK?
Generally, there is a Deputy Commander in place who takes over immediately. Saw today that the permanent replacement has been confirmed.
 
I've read more than once that the Russians employ this technique fairly frequently.

In the absence of information, all any of us can do is speculate. I mean, maybe there was an ongoing domestic situation or he suffered from depression or had recently been given a terminal diagnosis or--who knows? All I know so far is that he wasn't under investigation.

Yes but we the citizens, the ones who are charge of our own destiny because we are Free People, must completely understand what just happened.

This Matters.





Note: I think I know that you are not American, but you know what I mean.
 
Generally, there is a Deputy Commander in place who takes over immediately. Saw today that the permanent replacement has been confirmed.

But not in The Constitution. Is the automatic deputy replacement a judicial precedent? Who decided on the unofficial chain of command resulting in the deputy 5th fleet commander succeeding to the 5th fleet commander?
 
But not in The Constitution. Is the automatic deputy replacement a judicial precedent? Who decided on the unofficial chain of command resulting in the deputy 5th fleet commander succeeding to the 5th fleet commander?
The Constitution does cover any possible solution, particularly emergent situations like the death of a military commander. Military regulations cover situations like this; it's NOT an "unofficial" chain of command, it is THE chain of command; while the permanent replacement was being confirmed through the Senate a temporary stepped in. The permanent replacement has assumed command.
 
The Constitution does cover any possible solution, particularly emergent situations like the death of a military commander. Military regulations cover situations like this; it's NOT an "unofficial" chain of command, it is THE chain of command; while the permanent replacement was being confirmed through the Senate a temporary stepped in. The permanent replacement has assumed command.

And The Constitution willfully acknowledges this military chain of command?
 
One of the standard and long accepted procedures of the armed forces in the chain of command is succession.


10 U.S. Code § 162 - Combatant commands: assigned forces; chain of command
U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 6 › § 162
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/162



The laws of the United States pertaining to the chain of command apply to any officer who is second in command, such as a deputy commanding officer etc:

Chapter 10
PRECEDENCE, AUTHORITY AND COMMAND
Section 1. Precedence
Section 2. Authority
Section 3. Detail to Duty
Section 4. Succession to Command

1004. Precedence of an Officer in
Command.

An officer, either of the line or of a staff corps,
detailed to command by competent authority or
who has succeeded to command, has precedence
over all officers or other persons attached to the
command of whatever rank and whether they
are of the line or of a staff corps.


1061. Detail of Executive Officer.

1. The officer detailed as executive officer shall
be an officer eligible to succeed to command who,
when practicable, is next in rank to the
commanding officer.

2. When no officer has been detailed as
executive officer by the Commandant of the
Marine Corps or the Chief of Naval Personnel,
as appropriate, or when the officer so detailed is
absent or incapable of performing the duties of
the office, the commanding officer shall detail
the senior line officer within the command and
eligible to succeed to command as executive
officer except that, if the commanding officer is a
member of a staff corps, he or she may detail as
executive officer the next senior officer in the
appropriate staff corps.

https://doni.documentservices.dla.m...er 10 - Precedence, Authority and Command.pdf






Your Navy

Three-star heads to 5th Fleet after admiral’s sudden death

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Vice Adm. James Malloy has been named the interim head of the Navy's 5th Fleet in the Middle East following the sudden death of Vice Adm. Scott Stearney this weekend. Malloy is shown here in 2016 when he commanded Carrier Strike Group 10. (Navy)


A three-star admiral will aid U.S. Navy forces in the Middle East following the sudden death of Vice Adm. Scott Stearney in Bahrain.

Vice Adm. James Malloy will serve in a temporary support role for 5th Fleet and Naval Forces Central Command, Navy spokesman Cmdr. Jereal Dorsey said Monday.

Navy officials initially characterized Malloy’s temporary duty in 5th Fleet as that of an interim commander, but later said he would serve in a supporting role.

Stearney, 58, was found dead in his Bahrain residence Saturday but foul play is not suspected, according to a social media message posted that day by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson.

Rear Adm. Paul Schlise, Stearney’s immediate deputy, remains acting commander of a crucial command that sprawls across 2.5 million square miles of water, including the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.


https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...ander-named-after-vice-admirals-sudden-death/
 
First things first...


Senate Confirms New 5th Fleet Commander To Replace Admiral Who Died In Bahrain

The Senate has confirmed Vice Adm. James Malloy to lead U.S. 5th Fleet, replacing Vice Adm. Scott Stearney, who was found dead in his Bahrain home on Dec. 1, a congressional staffer told Task & Purpose on Thursday.

Malloy will also be the new commander of U.S. Naval Forces, Central Command; and Combined Maritime Forces in Bahrain. He arrived in Bahrain earlier this week on temporary assignment, said Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Daniel Day. He had been supporting acting 5th Fleet commander Rear Adm. Paul Schlise while waiting for the Senate to vote on his nomination.

A 1986 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Malloy has extensive experience in the Middle East, including serving as commander of Destroyer Squadron 50; Middle East Force (CTF 55); and Coalition Task Group 152.1, according to his official biography.

Since August, he has served as deputy chief of naval operations for operations, plans, and strategy. Stearney’s death remains under investigation. Some media outlets have reported that he may have committed suicide, citing unnamed officials. So far, the Navy has declined to say anything public about the circumstances surrounding his death.


https://taskandpurpose.com/5th-fleet-commander-nominated/


It's a no politics appointment and command authority and responsibility. Urgent in a field command abroad in a critical theater of naval operations. The appointment document is likely to have got the same signature process in the White House that the huge majority get of the massive number of documents that process through the place for signing. That is, the signature machine in the back offices. The one that operates virtually non stop. Potus signs only the big documents he himself has a direct interest in signing. After all, Potus is rather tied up these dayze.
 
What is actually addressed in the Constitution inre military chain of command?

I haven't seen anything. Perhaps you have.

The Constitution does cover any possible solution, particularly emergent situations like the death of a military commander. Military regulations cover situations like this; it's NOT an "unofficial" chain of command, it is THE chain of command; while the permanent replacement was being confirmed through the Senate a temporary stepped in. The permanent replacement has assumed command.
Bullseye thinks succession of military federal offices have been addressed by chain of command which is referenced by The Constitution.

You are right, Fledermaus, The Constitution has not done so. In fact, The Constitution is wholly lacking in protocol for succession of most federal offices.

For example, The Constitution does not generally provide for the succession of federal office before a new office head can be confirmed by the Senate.

Was the intention of The Constitution to leave that post empty until the confirmation? Who would provide leadership and decisions, for example, in times of crisis before the confirmation? The Constitution is mute.
 
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The Constitution does cover any possible solution, particularly emergent situations like the death of a military commander. Military regulations cover situations like this; it's NOT an "unofficial" chain of command, it is THE chain of command; while the permanent replacement was being confirmed through the Senate a temporary stepped in. The permanent replacement has assumed command.

I guess I must have missed this the few hundred times that I have referenced the Constitution?
 
Bullseye thinks succession of military federal offices have been addressed by chain of command which is referenced by The Constitution.

You are right, Fledermaus, The Constitution has not done so. In fact, The Constitution is wholly lacking in protocol for succession of most federal offices.

For example, The Constitution does not generally provide for the succession of federal office before a new office head can be confirmed by the Senate.

Was the intention of The Constitution to leave that post empty until the confirmation? Who would provide leadership and decisions, for example, in times of crisis before the confirmation? The Constitution is mute.

Comments sense dictates a temporary posting. It happens all the time.
 
I guess I must have missed this the few hundred times that I have referenced the Constitution?
If you are, indeed, a retired USN type, you lived it. A skipper relieved for cause is replaced by the XO - if qualified - until a new CO can be named, for instance. I personally served on a staff where the Commodore suffered a health problem while we were deployed and had to return to CONUS; he was replaced, temporarily, by the Chief of Staff, until a permanent Commander could be detailed.
 
Bullseye thinks succession of military federal offices have been addressed by chain of command which is referenced by The Constitution.
No, I don't. But, I do KNOW, that the Constitution doesn't cover every possible circumstance, which is why there are supporting federal and military directives to deal with the issue.

cabse5 said:
You are right, Fledermaus, The Constitution has not done so. In fact, The Constitution is wholly lacking in protocol for succession of most federal offices.
It addresses those that are deemed principle advisors to the President, e.g. Cabinet Secretaries, etc.

cabse said:
For example, The Constitution does not generally provide for the succession of federal office before a new office head can be confirmed by the Senate.

Was the intention of The Constitution to leave that post empty until the confirmation? Who would provide leadership and decisions, for example, in times of crisis before the confirmation? The Constitution is mute.
Exactly, positions that MUST be filled, for instance Commanders of major military commands such as numbered fleets follow established procedures to ensure someone is ALWAYS in command.
 
And The Constitution willfully acknowledges this military chain of command?
Read it and find out. Cliff Notes version: The President is designed the Commander and Chief of the militia, and one of Congress's duties is to raise and equip a military.
 
If you are, indeed, a retired USN type, you lived it. A skipper relieved for cause is replaced by the XO - if qualified - until a new CO can be named, for instance. I personally served on a staff where the Commodore suffered a health problem while we were deployed and had to return to CONUS; he was replaced, temporarily, by the Chief of Staff, until a permanent Commander could be detailed.

The First Lt. can also replace the skipper if the XO is a Limited Duty officer. (LDO)
 
I guess I must have missed this the few hundred times that I have referenced the Constitution?
You can reference it a thousand times. Doesn't change anything - the military has replacement policies to ensure there is always a fully qualified commander in charge. Try to understand the Constitution is the foundation other laws and regulations are derived from.
 
The First Lt. can also replace the skipper if the XO is a Limited Duty officer. (LDO)
Where does it say that in the Constitution? :lamo
 
Where does it say that in the Constitution? :lamo

The Constitution does cover any possible solution, particularly emergent situations like the death of a military commander. Military regulations cover situations like this; it's NOT an "unofficial" chain of command, it is THE chain of command; while the permanent replacement was being confirmed through the Senate a temporary stepped in. The permanent replacement has assumed command.
I'm sorry. You meant to post any possible vacant military solution. I get it now.
 
I'm sorry. You meant to post any possible vacant military solution. I get it now.
Sorry, I left out the word "not" in that first sentence as in "The Constitution does NOT cover any possible . . .". But yes, the military has regulations and procedures in place to cover succession to command in all possible circumstances.
 
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