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Missing Argentine submarine found deep in Atlantic, one year after disappearance

ecofarm said:
Worse when it's relying on a lot of people. I don't know how subs work, but I'd worry about Private Joe pushing the wrong button. I've seen Private Joe do a lot of stupid crap. I wouldn't rely on one let alone a dozen.
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I think submariners are required to be highly trained
 
RetiredUSN said:
I rode subs twice for a day and a half each.

The Greenling and the Trepang while observing the emergency diesel snorkeling & shut off systems.

Not a good place for a 6'3" sailor to be.
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I've been to Pearl Harbor and went inside a WWII era sub. And at 5'11" I felt like a giant.

I know our modern nuc subs have more headroom but truly doubt you found anyone your size in the sub.
 
eohrnberger said:
If implosion due to excessive depth, it was. Such things are over in an instant.
The time it took to get to implosion depth . . . that takes a bit of time, I guess, but not too much.
The crew knew what their fate was going to be while they were going down.
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I can't image a much worse psychological turmoil ...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I think submariners are required to be highly trained
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Not in Argentina....the chef tech expert on this boat had been in the Navy something like 17 years, and had rarely ever been to sea....likely part of the problem here.

The military is more a jobs program than military outfits, most of the people on this boat had almost no experience, all they had was book training of likely low quality.
 
Xelor said:
  • RIP
  • I hope it's too deep for some "rogue" band of "wackos" to retrieve it, refurbish it and then go around causing all sorts of trouble.
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Unlikely; the cost of recovery and overhaul ( if that would even be possible given the reported damage) would greatly exceed the value of the submarine itself....and such an attempt would not go unnoticed.
 
Bum said:
Unlikely; the cost of recovery and overhaul ( if that would even be possible given the reported damage) would greatly exceed the value of the submarine itself....and such an attempt would not go unnoticed.
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A crushed 1980's sub that went through a low quality refit from Argentina has no value but for figuring out what went wrong.

Maybe someone left a note but it sounds like we will never know.
 
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Were they at snorkel depth due to the inability to surface? Article states water entered through tube and implies clorine gas developed when batteries got soaked from sea water.
 
Tom Horn said:
Were they at snorkel depth due to the inability to surface? Article states water entered through tube and implies clorine gas developed when batteries got soaked from sea water.
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They dove the final time because the storms at the surface were bad which means that travel was miserable and slow. Plus we know that there was almost no food onboard because Argentina was not interested in supplying them...maybe they did not have much fuel either.

Also this mission used to have a tending ship which could have helped a great deal, but it had been cut in cost cutting.

They were all alone in a **** storm in a crappy boat with bad training and few supplies.

Also with refurbished batteries that many think should have been replaced.

But money you know......the military has almost no money.

A Hell of a way to go.
 
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Rexedgar said:
I have always had an interest in the German WW2 U Boat Service. Their losses were something in the line of 75%. The Argentine boat had a crew of 44 (from the article); that’s comparable to WW2 crew. The latest boats are said to be nothing like the old days, just cannot do without seeing the sun and sky, fresh air and other surface things for months on end.



Edit: to eco’s Point, there is a whole lot of training, I understand and there are wash-outs who cannot hang.
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Well, point of fact, it is only nuclear subs which can remain submerged for months on end. Previous generation subs were diesel-electric subs which had to run on the diesels on the surface to recharge the batteries. During this time I do believe that all the air vents would be open, ventilating the entire sub.

I didn't read far enough in the article to notice of the Argentinean sub was a nuclear one or not, I'm thinking not as they are very expensive and not many nations have them.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I rode subs twice for a day and a half each.

The Greenling and the Trepang while observing the emergency diesel snorkeling & shut off systems.

Not a good place for a 6'3" sailor to be.
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You are literally 'inside the machine' or 'part of the machine'.

Every bulkhead, overhead, and wall is covered with the plumbing and electrics that make the machine work.
 
Chomsky said:
[/B]I can't image a much worse psychological turmoil ...
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Yeah. As pointed out in previous posts, it takes personnel of special mettle to drive subs.
(mettle or metal? Hmm)
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They dove the final time because the storms at the surface were bad which means that travel was miserable and slow. Plus we know that there was almost no food onboard because Argentina was not interested in supplying them...maybe they did not have much fuel either.

Also this mission used to have a tending ship which could have helped a great deal, but it had been cut in cost cutting.

They were all alone in a **** storm in a crappy boat with bad training and few supplies.

Also with refurbished batteries that many think should have been replaced.

But money you know......the military has almost no money.

A Hell of a way to go.
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Sounds as if someone had jury rigged the snorkels ball valve. I’m sure by that time it was permanently raised. Looks like a cross between a Type XXI and a XXIII.
 
Tom Horn said:
Sounds as if someone had jury rigged the snorkels ball valve. I’m sure by that time it was permanently raised. Looks like a cross between a Type XXI and a XXIII.
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Why would someone need to do that when it had just been through a refit? It was completed at the end of 2013 and while I have been searching for a mission count and not finding it I have heard it said on the internet that it almost never left port, and that when it did it generally did not do much.....because the Navy has no money.

Just rehabbed....very light use...it should have been in nearly perfect condition.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why would someone need to do that when it had just been through a refit? It was completed at the end of 2013 and while I have been searching for a mission count and not finding it I have heard it said on the internet that it almost never left port, and that when it did it generally did not do much.....because the Navy has no money.

Just rehabbed....very light use...it should have been in nearly perfect condition.
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obviously before they sailed there wasn’t a shakedown trial.
 
Tom Horn said:
obviously before they sailed there wasn’t a shakedown trial.
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Well see we dont know....the Navy is being very non transparent....and the politicians being the ones who starved the military of funds are not that interested in making the Officers talk....which has a lot to do with why the family members are so pissed....the lack of transparency.

The general population however I dont think care, they dont have a lot of use for the military anymore.

This death toll was the result of bad government AKA politics first and foremost.

However the exact chain of events is important.
 
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