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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is why I told you to do some reading on a subject before you speak and make yourself look stupid. NATO has over 2.2 million troops without the US. Russia has barely a million.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
    Are you counting the US in that 2.2 million? If so, we should deduct America's contribution and factor in that NATO without the US has about 4.5 times the population of Russia and look at the ratio of trained troops and population.

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Even without the US, NATO has more troops than Russia, and enough nukes to make Moscow glow.
    You only need 1 nuke to wipe out Moscow.

    A single British Nuclear Submarine would render the majority of Russia an irradiated wasteland.

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate71 View Post
    Are you counting the US in that 2.2 million? If so, we should deduct America's contribution and factor in that NATO without the US has about 4.5 times the population of Russia and look at the ratio of trained troops and population.
    If only you could read...

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    The brainiacs are already talking nukes?
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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    IF this stayed conventional, would Minsk hold the Balticís at bay, while Russia tried to cross the Rhine after being stopped briefly at the Danube? Unless you think Poland has the wherewithal to halt them by their lonesome.

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    The US military always provides the supreme allied commander of Nato forces.

    Number one the US military provides integrated, multi dimension warfare that is multi domain in its strategies and approaches.

    Number two US commanders have a successful record of commanding continental armies, navies, air forces to the successful conclusion of a major war. World War. No one is better at state to state continental and regional theater warfare than US military commanders and their combatants.

    The Europeans and the Russians have a long history of being inept at it. Russian commanders, Zhukov in WW II in particular with other Russian commanders, defeated Hitler's remaining invasion force with the assistance of the US and allies England and France. US and allies helped supply their ally Stalin. US and allied nations opened a Western Front beginning on D-Day. The Normandy invasion was the biggest amphibious operation in history with more than 7000 vessels, enormous air forces and masses of troops and heavy weapons, supplies and lines to include support in the nature of intelligence, deception, sabotage and so on.

    No state in its right mind wants to find itself at war with the United States. USA is in fact a Nato force multiplier while providing the commanders who know how to defeat an enemy state in a serious war on a continental and regional theater scale. The military commanders of Nato member states rely on the USA for command competency and leadership and depend on it. Think about it -- who would want a general in Europe commanding forces that had to win a major war. Only Russia and its Fanboyz in the West would love it.

    Further, what Russian general staff and field commanders would want to engage the US armed forces in a major war. Moreover, whose nations soldiers or sailors would want to go out to fight USA armed forces combatants in a major war. Conversely, fighting the Europeans only is far more attractive to a malevolent and cynical enemy state. Russia also has agents and supporters inside Nato member states right there on the continent and environs. Russia has its operatives in many places.
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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Before Gulf Storm, we were allegedly inept and powerless n stuff, our military couldn't win against even Lichtenstein, blah blah blah, then it neutalized the fourth largest military on the planet in a few hours, destroying it's entire offensive capability, and now a few years later it's back to toe old song and dance again.

    Pay no attention to the speculators; they read too many gossip and scuttlebutt rags and planted spin articles to be healthy. We do have some issues, but none that even remotely give Russia or China any kind of dominance over us. They're all noise and hubirs and Putin's fantasies.

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate71 View Post
    Are you counting the US in that 2.2 million? If so, we should deduct America's contribution and factor in that NATO without the US has about 4.5 times the population of Russia and look at the ratio of trained troops and population.
    No, I even said that and posted the data. Learn to ****ing read before you speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is why I told you to do some reading on a subject before you speak and make yourself look stupid. NATO has over 2.2 million troops without the US. Russia has barely a million.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    NATO's combined population and economy even without the US dwarfs Russia. Moscow knows this better than anybody.
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    Re: Do the NATO countries (not counting US) have the potential to match Russia's military?

    Russia is hopelessly outclassed in a conventional scenario. Even without American support. NATO can deploy 2 soldiers for every single Russian soldier.

    European kit is generally superior, and the average NATO solider is better trained and better equipped

    NATO's biggest issue is co-ordination and the deploying of assets quickly across national borders to hot spots.

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