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US Military Unable to Fight Two Big Wars at Once: Report

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US Military Unable to Fight Two Big Wars at Once: Report

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10/4/18
The U.S. military lacks the troops, ships and planes to counter a growing range of security threats and the great power challenges posed by Russia and China, according to the annual defense strength index from the Heritage Foundation. "As currently postured, the U.S. military is only marginally able to meet the demands of defending America's vital national interests" despite the buildup and increased defense budgets under the Trump administration, said the Heritage 2019 Index of U.S. Military Strength. "It's still too small," retired Marine Lt. Col. Dakota Wood, who edited the nearly 500-page index, said of the entire U.S. defense structure. The Army's active-duty strength of about 480,000 is over-deployed and over-committed; the Navy's 284 ships is far short of the projected need of 355: and the Air Force is flying too many aging aircraft that cost too much to maintain, assuming that it had enough maintainers to do the job, the Index said. "The U.S. does not have the right force to meet a two major regional contingency (two-MRC) requirement and is not ready to carry out its duties effectively," the 2017 Index stated. "Consequently, as we have seen during the past few years, the U.S. risks seeing its interests increasingly challenged and the world order it has led since World War II undone."

An encouraging sign in the latest report from Heritage, which is seen as being close to the Trump administration, is the improved readiness of the Army's brigade combat teams, but the Index also warned that those gains will diminish without increased funding in future defense budgets. The Index characterized the Army's readiness as having improved from "weak" to "strong," and Wood credited the upgrade to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and his focus on readiness since taking office. "Although the FY2018 and FY2019 defense budgets reflect positive growth for defense, military strength remains far below where it needs to be," it continued. Mattis and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford have argued for continuing growth in the defense budget of 2 to 3 percent per year above inflation, Harrison said, but his own expectation is that defense budgets will remain flat over the next five years. "A flat budget means that we're going to have to downsize the force and defense modernization programs. That's the reality," he said. "The services have got their targets to grow the force structure" and buy new equipment, "but I don't understand how you're going to pay for it in a flat budget." Mattis might want defense budget growth above inflation, but Harrison said, "Is he going to get [the White House Office of Management and Budget] to agree to that? Is he going to get Congress to agree to that?"

The Army is not meeting its recruitment goals with a [for now] healthy economy and low unemployment. Do we really want to increase the use of moral waivers for recruitment?

When all is said and done, I believe we need to prominently orient our military towards future kinetic confrontations with Russia and/or China.

We also need to shift more resources to Cyber Command. Harvesting information and protecting information-nodes is critical to modern warfare.

Related: Heritage Foundation | 2019 Index of U.S. Military Strength
 
The Army is not meeting its recruitment goals with a [for now] healthy economy and low unemployment. Do we really want to increase the use of moral waivers for recruitment?

The Army has a marketing problem, mainly due to the war in Afghanistan.
 
True endless wars tend to reduce enlistments and re-enlistments. Maybe it is time to get the heck out of these countries, if we have not accomplished our goals by now we never will.
 
Considering the relative spending, the takeaway for me here is that we're not getting our money's worth, and haven't been for quite a while.
 
The Army has a marketing problem, mainly due to the war in Afghanistan.


I favor some form of national service. If there were a draft and everyone’s children were being sent to foreign wars, there would be more public opposition. We have ourselves a ‘warrior’ class now.
 
I favor some form of national service. If there were a draft and everyone’s children were being sent to foreign wars, there would be more public opposition. We have ourselves a ‘warrior’ class now.

National service is an extremely pointless policy. All it would do is reduce the productivity of people in their most productive years and like you said just create more opposition.
 
National service is an extremely pointless policy. All it would do is reduce the productivity of people in their most productive years and like you said just create more opposition.

I had no idea what I was bound to do with my life/career just out of high school. I can imagine in today’s world, as competitive as it seems to be, it is difficult as well. A few years being made to adapt to different surroundings/people provides excellent experience.
 
I had no idea what I was bound to do with my life/career just out of high school. I can imagine in today’s world, as competitive as it seems to be, it is difficult as well. A few years being made to adapt to different surroundings/people provides excellent experience.

I just spent six months in Switzerland where they have conscription for men, everyone I met who did it said it was the most pointless waste of time, it was a lot of drinking and doing nothing when they all just wanted to start university. My grandfather had the same experience, he spent his national service in the RAF taking the labels off of tin cans so they could be reused. The Finnish guy I talked to said he just stood around guarding a door in -30C weather. Conscription just leads to young men doing a whole lot of nothing and also a hatred for the military.

Then in Canada every time conscription has been implemented it just leads to massive riots. Trudeau Sr. was conscripted but got kicked out for getting involved in anti-conscription politics and other things.
 
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15 carrier fleets. 5 going out, 5 going in, and 5 on station. Which two nations can counter 5 sending AMRAAM after AMRAAM down their collective infrastructures?
 
15 carrier fleets. 5 going out, 5 going in, and 5 on station. Which two nations can counter 5 sending AMRAAM after AMRAAM down their collective infrastructures?

russia and china, infact just russia would be needed as both the russian and american surface fleet would be wiped out the first day of real war by eachothers subs and aircraft.
 
US Military Unable to Fight Two Big Wars at Once: Report

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The Army is not meeting its recruitment goals with a [for now] healthy economy and low unemployment. Do we really want to increase the use of moral waivers for recruitment?

When all is said and done, I believe we need to prominently orient our military towards future kinetic confrontations with Russia and/or China.

We also need to shift more resources to Cyber Command. Harvesting information and protecting information-nodes is critical to modern warfare.

Related: Heritage Foundation | 2019 Index of U.S. Military Strength

The big problem is if it is china and russia, they are part of sco which involves india as well, you already have more manpower available there than anything america or nato could match, So you need more than extra manpower at this point you need an entire restructure of military doctrine designed to counter such threats, and such doctrine was mostly abandoned when the cold war ended.

Add to this the rate of growth of russias military in the last few years is unprecedented, They have added around 300k active and 500k reserves in a short time, and have also had aquisitions to match the increase yet their budget keeps dropping, in reality their budget could not sustain that growth, so they are likely fudging some numbers to make their budget look small and hope no one notices their rapid military buildup. China is very secretive on much of their military numbers, however one thing to always keep in mind is that they can afford to send in endless waves of men just to waste bullets missiles and artillery.
 
I just spent six months in Switzerland where they have conscription for men, everyone I met who did it said it was the most pointless waste of time, it was a lot of drinking and doing nothing when they all just wanted to start university. My grandfather had the same experience, he spent his national service in the RAF taking the labels off of tin cans so they could be reused. The Finnish guy I talked to said he just stood around guarding a door in -30C weather. Conscription just leads to young men doing a whole lot of nothing and also a hatred for the military.

Then in Canada every time conscription has been implemented it just leads to massive riots. Trudeau Sr. was conscripted but got kicked out for getting involved in anti-conscription politics and other things.

Conscription is not a pointless waste of time, especially how switzerland has it, their active military is extremely small and they rely on it's citizens for defense. But with conscription much of what is done is not to be entertaining or fun, it is there for a purpose, someone has to stand guard, someone has to peel potatos, someone has to be a mechanic someone else has to be an armorer etc, the military has numerous tasks and they must be practiced, or else discipline falls and the military becomes inneffective, this is true whether conscripted or volunteer.
 
Conscription is not a pointless waste of time, especially how switzerland has it, their active military is extremely small and they rely on it's citizens for defense. But with conscription much of what is done is not to be entertaining or fun, it is there for a purpose, someone has to stand guard, someone has to peel potatos, someone has to be a mechanic someone else has to be an armorer etc, the military has numerous tasks and they must be practiced, or else discipline falls and the military becomes inneffective, this is true whether conscripted or volunteer.

Except it is a massive waste of time and potential as those conscripts could instead be working or studying, actually contributing to the economy and society, instead of getting wasted, ****ing around on their phones, or just doing nothing productive. It's ****ING SWITZERLAND who is going to attack Switzerland? The last people to even consider that were the Allies in WWII. Even if someone did, apparently they only have the resources to defend themselves for up to 48 hours.

Unless a country is under constant threat like South Korea or Israel conscription is a massive waste of time and resources. Think of the 100s of billions of dollars wasted by just Switzerland to maintain a force that actively resents it and wastes the time and money of its citizens and non-citizens alike.
 
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russia and china, infact just russia would be needed as both the russian and american surface fleet would be wiped out the first day of real war by eachothers subs and aircraft.

You mean the fleet that never swept all the German Mines from the past war will now be able to kill our fleet? Strange you should say that. What wonderuos new fangled high tech could they have procured since they sent the Kursk to her death could they possibly have come across?
 
DUH,,,our military has been a wreck for years, only few noticed.

Because that is how America has been rolling....

IGNORANT
 
DUH,,,our military has been a wreck for years, only few noticed.

Because that is how America has been rolling....

IGNORANT
correction. Our navy knows it’s own personnel’s fallacies and those people would be confined to their racks the second the shooting started.
 
The Army is not meeting its recruitment goals with a [for now] healthy economy and low unemployment. Do we really want to increase the use of moral waivers for recruitment?

The problem is that the military is still bogged down with Obama era regulations and rules. We have yet to see the "money tap" opening up to allow us to do the training, field time, and to maintain the numbers who are leaving because they have no choice.

I know at least a dozen people who have left the army in the past 10 years. The Retention Control Point (rank you have to be after so many years) from the early Obama era is still in place, so people who can not move up fast enough are still being forced out. And for many the constant routine of sitting around the barracks day in and day out is a grind.

Earlier this year when I tried to drop my re-enlistment package to return to active duty, it was denied. I know one other that had the same problem. Another was told he had to stay in a dead end MOS, there was no money to train him into another. And next year he is gonna be forced out, because he can not get promoted because the only other unit with his MOS with an opening for Sergeant is over 600 miles away.

And I am in a similar boat. My unit has no position open for me to promote into, and in 2 years I have not been able to move into another unit that has an opening 1 rank higher than I am now that I am qualified for. I am lacking in at least 3 certifications to promote.

And I can not get those certs, because there is no money to send me to school for roughly 3 months to get them.

Meeting enlistment numbers is more than just getting new people in, it is also keeping in the people you already have. And from a lot of what I am hearing, that is where they are having the biggest problems. I know I was fed up after my last 5 years in Active Duty, and spending 4 years of it sitting around Fort Bliss, checking over equipment that we hardly ever used, going no further than the other side of the highway.

And hearing about replacements for our 40 year old equipment, that we knew we would never see. And 6 years later still have not seen.
 
You mean the fleet that never swept all the German Mines from the past war will now be able to kill our fleet? Strange you should say that. What wonderuos new fangled high tech could they have procured since they sent the Kursk to her death could they possibly have come across?

New? They had the tech since the 70's, and the pentagon has admitted it numerous times, they have a crapton of anti ship cruise missiles and their plan is to completely overwhelm the us navy fleet defenses, with many of those missiles well outside the range of the navy carriers and outside interception range of aircraft from those carriers. Nuclear subs can literally wipe out a carrier group as well with little resistance, especially in a full scale war. Then you have a russian navy that is highly defensive with anti shipping missiles to give them an edge, however they would not matter as america would do the same to them and sink their fleet though aircraft launched by land and also attack subs.
 
Anyone who's bothered to look will know what these costly wars have done to our soldiers. Messed many of them up for life, and with skimpy support through the VA offices. The government has demonstrated that it's willing to fight forever wars while clawing back support for the people who fight them, either through reduced equipment in the field or in reduced benefits after their tour is over. The politics of the general public love to make demands (or demerits) of our soldiers but few are willing to join and see what their political realities actually look like. So the soldiers stand apart from the mainstream political discourse while also being asked to fight for it.

Who wants to sign up under those circumstances?

Also, thanks to the internet, the past decades have taught people that our military is mostly being used to fight for the corporate and financial elite. The sad irony is that the value of our dollar is now tied to these forever wars because we are so much in debt that new foreign capital + the arms industry is one method that we can bolster our economy. Meanwhile the companies and people who profit the most off war will not share a dime in taxes.
 
New? They had the tech since the 70's, and the pentagon has admitted it numerous times, they have a crapton of anti ship cruise missiles and their plan is to completely overwhelm the us navy fleet defenses, with many of those missiles well outside the range of the navy carriers and outside interception range of aircraft from those carriers. Nuclear subs can literally wipe out a carrier group as well with little resistance, especially in a full scale war. Then you have a russian navy that is highly defensive with anti shipping missiles to give them an edge, however they would not matter as america would do the same to them and sink their fleet though aircraft launched by land and also attack subs.
so they can do all that........yet can’t sweep German TMC mine without detonating it. Incredible.
 
We no longer have the industrial capacity we had to support WW II any more, even with 3x the population, much less enough people with the skill sets to do the work, do we?

Wall street and the Davos Set have decided that the Red Chinese are their New Best Friends Forever, they're a very 'business friendly' bunch they are, so they want to make Red China into the new 'hegemon' and tank the U.S. to Third world status. They hope to do away with need for proles and uppity, expensive human workers anyway, via robotics, both for civilian and military and police functions, hence the rush into that development.

Foreign Affairs Quarterly can't seem to put out an issue wherein some 'expert' doesn't gush over how wonderful Red China is and their wonderful 'business friendly' attitudes. the 'globalists' in both Parties don't give a rat's behind whether or not soldiers' boots fall apart in a week, or their weapons are up to date, vehicles in good repair and adequate maintenance, etc, because they have other plans that they think will make all the other stuff obsolete, and they don't need the U.S. to do it.
 
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so they can do all that........yet can’t sweep German TMC mine without detonating it. Incredible.

Sweeping mines is not an indication of naval power, or air power to combat other navies, infact russia has almost no mine sweeping vessals but a crapton of them to lay down mines.

The main threats they hold besides nuclear subs is the tu-160 bomber, the tu-22m bomber, and the tu-95 bomber which can all hold a crapton of cruise missiles, and this does not include the su-30 and the mig-31 which are also tasked with the same role. The kh101 missile can reach a range of nearly 3000 miles, and the bombers that use them all come close to or travel farther than 10,000 miles, with the smaller jets like the mig 31 with a much lower range but still capable of such missiles. This is not including other missiles like their antique kh15s which is hypersonic and drops from above the ship at hypersonic speed making it extrememly difficult to impossible to stop.
 
Sweeping mines is not an indication of naval power, or air power to combat other navies, infact russia has almost no mine sweeping vessals but a crapton of them to lay down mines.

The main threats they hold besides nuclear subs is the tu-160 bomber, the tu-22m bomber, and the tu-95 bomber which can all hold a crapton of cruise missiles, and this does not include the su-30 and the mig-31 which are also tasked with the same role. The kh101 missile can reach a range of nearly 3000 miles, and the bombers that use them all come close to or travel farther than 10,000 miles, with the smaller jets like the mig 31 with a much lower range but still capable of such missiles. This is not including other missiles like their antique kh15s which is hypersonic and drops from above the ship at hypersonic speed making it extrememly difficult to impossible to stop.
how are they to guide all those things onto target without the use of sattilites?
 
how are they to guide all those things onto target without the use of sattilites?

You must be really ignorant of how cruise missiles work and their guidance systems, gps by satellite is somewhat new, the more common means have been radar guided, using terrain contour, by star allocation etc, do you really think missiles went unguided until satellite systems came into being? One of the longest range cruise missiles ever built was by the us right after ww2, it had the range to hit any target on earth when launched from the us, and it used star location as guidance. It got dropped because the star location guidance was unreliable for 1940's to mid 50's tech, and further by icbm's being harder to shoot down with nearly the same range.

Besides that when it comes to military satellites, russia far outnumbers us anyways.
 
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