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US Military Unable to Fight Two Big Wars at Once: Report

There will NEVER be a big conventional war against China and Russia. That is absurd to even debate. No side would be willing to lose and nuclear weapons assure none would. When the US will be at war with China and/or Russia is never.
 
notquiteright said:
Crash our power grid, freeze electronic banking, kill cell phones and see how long our 'Don't Tread on Me' Cowboy Cadillac patriots stand firm...
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If that were to happen, it would be our "Cowboy patriots" who will be who most stands firm - and who are most likely to survive.
 
Casper said:
True endless wars tend to reduce enlistments and re-enlistments. Maybe it is time to get the heck out of these countries, if we have not accomplished our goals by now we never will.
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There is no enlistment problem for combat forces. The enlistment problem is for geeks and teckie types. The future of warfare - as always - is in technology.
 
beerftw said:
I do not call their frigates and corvettes coastal vessals, nor their subs, you seem to have russia confused with the largest and second largest navies on earth, north korea and china. The corvette is actually a very deadly naval vessal, with properly equipped cruise missiles it can wipe out an aircraft carrier beyond the range any of it's aircraft can do anything about it, that is literally how they geared their navy, defensive with force projection being through land. Well you cite population, and claim they can not yet nato simulations always seem to say otherwise, with many situations the us losing, and that is against just one not both, this is why people like you are not in charge of military planning, you under estimate threats and over estimate your own sides power. I am not quibbling over a military buildup, yes we do need it but a reform in doctrine is more important and beneficial. Russia alone has been expanding their military rapidly since 2008 and so far many military numbers on russia still use pre 2007 numbers, for example in 2017 there was around 770k active soldiers in russia and 2 million reserves, in 2018 it became over 1 million active and over 2.5 million reserves, that is actually quite a jump, and given their recent vostok 2018 which came after many smaller drills, it shows not only have they expanded their military and logistics, but were able to even surpass the readiness level and logistics they held at the height of the soviet union. I think you are stuck in the mindset russias military is stuck in post soviet collapse mode. “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
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More uncited opinion from you. First the corvette is no match for a carrier task force so there's that. Russia's 'rapid' expansion was fueled on gas sales which now hang in limbo due to attacks by KGB agents. Russia can nibble at the edges of it's nation, I do say they are a regional power, but threatening Europe is a relic of the past and your insistence in fighting the last war is typical of armchair REMFs who think unattributed quotes make them sound smart.

The defense industry cabal needs an enemy to 'fight' against- missile gaps, bomber gaps, the Russian plane superior to ours (it wasn't) their new subs too quiet to be detected (they weren't) build Seawolf subs at a YUGE cost to fight an enemy that rusts at the docks.

Having a logistics train 'better' than the Warsaw Pact days is a low bar at best. The USSR didn't plan to maintain units but use them to exhaustion and replace with follow up units. (let us remember the Russians no longer have the Warsaw Pact to feed into the meat grinder and now have hundreds of klicks to cover before hitting the Rhine.)

Fact is you don't know our enemy (past or present) but build one to justify continued growth of penile strength when it's geeks with computers that could cripple our nation worse than any war short of a nuclear exchange.

I was a grunt in the old 3AD back in the Warsaw Pact days- those days were far better for a Communist take over of Europe using conventional warfare. What exactly were you doing then?

Putin is in no better position to attack and hold Europe with a land army. His navy would be hard pressed to defend Mother Russia if the land aircraft are busy trying to pave the way for a land invasion. He knows this, he knows better, you appear only to see what urges us to break the bank in another arms build up while we continue to run YUGE deficits… remember, tanks ain't free, personnel cost big bucks, maintaining them at a high state of readiness can't be done on the cheap.

Instead of a Space Corps I'd invest in a Geek Corps... :peace
 
joko104 said:
If that were to happen, it would be our "Cowboy patriots" who will be who most stands firm - and who are most likely to survive.
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I said cowboy Cadillac patriots- the beer bellied owners of nice shiny crew cab pick-ups that never see a dirt road.

They are most likely not to survive- more likely to stroke out if they ran 50 meters carrying more than a bucket of chicken... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
More uncited opinion from you. First the corvette is no match for a carrier task force so there's that. Russia's 'rapid' expansion was fueled on gas sales which now hang in limbo due to attacks by KGB agents. Russia can nibble at the edges of it's nation, I do say they are a regional power, but threatening Europe is a relic of the past and your insistence in fighting the last war is typical of armchair REMFs who think unattributed quotes make them sound smart.

The defense industry cabal needs an enemy to 'fight' against- missile gaps, bomber gaps, the Russian plane superior to ours (it wasn't) their new subs too quiet to be detected (they weren't) build Seawolf subs at a YUGE cost to fight an enemy that rusts at the docks.

Having a logistics train 'better' than the Warsaw Pact days is a low bar at best. The USSR didn't plan to maintain units but use them to exhaustion and replace with follow up units. (let us remember the Russians no longer have the Warsaw Pact to feed into the meat grinder and now have hundreds of klicks to cover before hitting the Rhine.)

Fact is you don't know our enemy (past or present) but build one to justify continued growth of penile strength when it's geeks with computers that could cripple our nation worse than any war short of a nuclear exchange.

I was a grunt in the old 3AD back in the Warsaw Pact days- those days were far better for a Communist take over of Europe using conventional warfare. What exactly were you doing then?

Putin is in no better position to attack and hold Europe with a land army. His navy would be hard pressed to defend Mother Russia if the land aircraft are busy trying to pave the way for a land invasion. He knows this, he knows better, you appear only to see what urges us to break the bank in another arms build up while we continue to run YUGE deficits… remember, tanks ain't free, personnel cost big bucks, maintaining them at a high state of readiness can't be done on the cheap.

Instead of a Space Corps I'd invest in a Geek Corps... :peace
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Problem is the corvette is actually more than a match for it, infact carrier task forces are quite easy to sink, and even the pentagon has admitted as such since the 70's, guided missiles have made carrier groups useless in an all out war against any competent military, as the missiles can strike beyond the range of the aircraft, and even if the other ships in the group had missiles to retaliate, they would likely sink before their missiles hit their target. All it takes is for something like a corvette or a frigate or a cruiser to launch a bunch of missiles and overwhelm their missile defense systems

That there is not even going into supercavitating torpedos which can hit speeds of 200 knots, which would also likely be fired in a missile strike.


On your defense industry rant, no subs are too quiet to be detected, they wear sneakers on subs for a reason, missile tech has actually fallen way behind russia, especially in anti shipping and missile defense systems, where are current missiles are often performing worse than what the soviets had in the 70's. The bomber gap is not so wide as much as entirely different doctrines were chosen, many russian planes are superior, it depends on what you define as superior, american jets rely heavily on bvr while russian jets push for superior dogfighting capabilities.

On the 3ad comment, wait I thought you were in vietnam, then operation iraqui freedom, now in 3ad which died the same time 8id kicked the bucket which was right after the gulf war. Either way russia could attack europe, russias navy would not have a hard time defending in that case as nato simulations have shown the entire us navy surface fleet would be wiped out in such a war on day one by bomber aircraft, leaving the rest of the navy combat to subs. So on your last statement you are ok not building up the miltary, while russia is near the point of surpassing the soviet union as a military threat due to rapid modernization, with china catching up and india itself coming to power?
 
notquiteright said:
I must be old....

It wasn't Doctor Stranglove- it was Spies Like Us... Gen Sline- a weapon unused is a useless weapon

my bad.... :peace
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Dr. Strangelove: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb. That's what you mean it wasn't, released in 1964. It was an excellent Cold War movie of its time. My favorite was Col. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) who needed to kill commies to prevent women from "sapping our essence." Spies Like Us was a treat too, I'd agree completely.



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That was during the cold period of the USSR and its Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Putin was KGB back then and once a KGB always a KGB. Today this also means Kleptocrats Gone Bonkers.

And as American Conservatives say since Vladimir Putin asserted his strongman dictatorship: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love Putin's Russia And His Dictatorship of Democracy.

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There’s a Russian joke that is as old as our Constitution is: A man is arrested for distributing leaflets in Red Square. At the police station it is discovered all the leaflets are blank. ‘Why is this?’, the authorities ask. And the man replies: Everyone knows what is going on so why bother to write it down?

Here some of us are distributing posts with content about the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz and their sinister works in the USA to include the effect it has on some grunt nco in the armed forces. And of the huge number of Putin minded retired career sergeants and petty officer veterans who make known their pro Putin bizarre views and thoughts. Not all veterans but the disproportionately huge number we've come to know. To factor in of course those on active duty who in time will become yet another retired nco veteran among 'em. The right wingers for right wingers society. The Dictatorship of Democracy Putin spoke of once before having to remove his foot from his mouth.



2015: The Year of the Putin Dictatorship

Next year, Russia will complete its three-year transition from mild authoritarianism to outright dictatorship.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-12-29/2015-the-year-of-the-putin-dictatorship


The year American Conservatives and Republicans fell in love with Vladimir Putin. Donald Trump was already in the bag.
 
Rogue Valley said:
US Military Unable to Fight Two Big Wars at Once: Report

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The Army is not meeting its recruitment goals with a [for now] healthy economy and low unemployment. Do we really want to increase the use of moral waivers for recruitment?

When all is said and done, I believe we need to prominently orient our military towards future kinetic confrontations with Russia and/or China.

We also need to shift more resources to Cyber Command. Harvesting information and protecting information-nodes is critical to modern warfare.

Related: Heritage Foundation | 2019 Index of U.S. Military Strength
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That is why you have allies.
 
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