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Lockheed wins contract for U.S. Air Force GPS satellites

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...or-u-s-air-force-gps-satellites-idUSKCN1LU2SO

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force said on Friday it had chosen Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) to build 22 next-generation Global Positioning System satellites worth up to $7.2 billion, part of a major effort to modernize the GPS constellation of satellites.
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Things are going well in the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell speech.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...or-u-s-air-force-gps-satellites-idUSKCN1LU2SO

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force said on Friday it had chosen Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) to build 22 next-generation Global Positioning System satellites worth up to $7.2 billion, part of a major effort to modernize the GPS constellation of satellites.
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Things are going well in the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell speech.

Fun Fact: GPS Sattelites have a massive number of helpful civilian applications. Your phone, for example.

The military spends a lot of stupid money on a lot of unnecessary stuff (it's still government, after all), but complaining about GPS satellites is the equivalent of complaining about roads.
 
Fun Fact: GPS Sattelites have a massive number of helpful civilian applications. Your phone, for example.

The military spends a lot of stupid money on a lot of unnecessary stuff (it's still government, after all), but complaining about GPS satellites is the equivalent of complaining about roads.

I just got a medic alert pendant that is very cool. It works on the Verizon network, so I live 1/4 mile from their nearest tower. I think a lot of gadgets like this one that claim 'GPS' are actually triangulating your position between nearby cell towers based on signal strength. I heard the cops on my scanner one night tracking someone & they could tell to within feet where was located in a parking lot based on 'pinging' his cell phone & looking at the results on a display. Moral: if you're fleeing from the cops, turn off your cell phone.
 
I just got a medic alert pendant that is very cool. It works on the Verizon network, so I live 1/4 mile from their nearest tower. I think a lot of gadgets like this one that claim 'GPS' are actually triangulating your position between nearby cell towers based on signal strength. I heard the cops on my scanner one night tracking someone & they could tell to within feet where was located in a parking lot based on 'pinging' his cell phone & looking at the results on a display. Moral: if you're fleeing from the cops, turn off your cell phone.

I've read but can't confirm that turning it off (powering it down) might not turn off location services in a case like that. Better if you're getting chased to toss the phone into the bushes or whatever.
 
I just got a medic alert pendant that is very cool. It works on the Verizon network, so I live 1/4 mile from their nearest tower. I think a lot of gadgets like this one that claim 'GPS' are actually triangulating your position between nearby cell towers based on signal strength. I heard the cops on my scanner one night tracking someone & they could tell to within feet where was located in a parking lot based on 'pinging' his cell phone & looking at the results on a display. Moral: if you're fleeing from the cops, turn off your cell phone.

Ditto for WiFi hotspots.
 
I've read but can't confirm that turning it off (powering it down) might not turn off location services in a case like that. Better if you're getting chased to toss the phone into the bushes or whatever.

:) Or into a moving vehicle, if you can.
 
Fun Fact: GPS Sattelites have a massive number of helpful civilian applications. Your phone, for example.

The military spends a lot of stupid money on a lot of unnecessary stuff (it's still government, after all), but complaining about GPS satellites is the equivalent of complaining about roads.

Lockheed is not the government. War is a huge jobs industry to private companies, and companies like Lockheed also advertise on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. The establishment in both parties like war and dropping bombs, because these companies are buying politicians and paying media personalities.
 
Lockheed is not the government.

and thank goodness. I can't imagine what it would look like if government tried to build this stuff.

War is a huge jobs industry to private companies, and companies like Lockheed also advertise on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. The establishment in both parties like war and dropping bombs, because these companies are buying politicians and paying media personalities.

Nah. The "Establishment" in both parties want CT forces to keep another 9/11 from happening so they don't have to figure out how to deflect the blame, and don't like war because it's unpopular, boring, and hard.
 
and thank goodness. I can't imagine what it would look like if government tried to build this stuff.



Nah. The "Establishment" in both parties want CT forces to keep another 9/11 from happening so they don't have to figure out how to deflect the blame, and don't like war because it's unpopular, boring, and hard.

Ct?

I don't like how the donors are so close to the media in America. I watch foreign news sources and they have more rounded coverage, and for a country so engaged in the international affairs and getting involved in other countries, American news networks provide little coverage and discussion on international issues. When international stories are brought up, it's usually done so in an inflammatory way that provokes certain Americans wanting military intervention.

As for preventing another 911, that is very shortsighted. America has other interests in Syria than preventing 911, and America has other interests elsewhere. We are also being hacked, so cyber security is becoming a major concern, more than it was on the day 911. To say our military is focused on preventing a terror attack, well, I am not buying it. Did you really think that's what going into Iraq was about?
 
Hopefully lockheed can do a decent job here, because they have done horrible with the f-35 project to the extent of trying to bill washington for their own quality control issues. Come to think of it, lockheed has not done very good work with most of what they have built lately, and they only won this contract because no one else competed for it.

The good news is it is a fixed contract price, so if it takes them 20 billion dollars and ten years to complete lockheed will eat the costs not the pentagon.
 
Hopefully lockheed can do a decent job here, because they have done horrible with the f-35 project to the extent of trying to bill washington for their own quality control issues. Come to think of it, lockheed has not done very good work with most of what they have built lately, and they only won this contract because no one else competed for it.

The good news is it is a fixed contract price, so if it takes them 20 billion dollars and ten years to complete lockheed will eat the costs not the pentagon.

Yeah, that's not happening.
 

Counter-Terror. Which is easier than, say, COIN (COunter-INsurgency), which requires work, resources, and hard (which is to say, automatically unpopular) decisions.

I don't like how the donors are so close to the media in America. I watch foreign news sources and they have more rounded coverage, and for a country so engaged in the international affairs and getting involved in other countries, American news networks provide little coverage and discussion on international issues. When international stories are brought up, it's usually done so in an inflammatory way that provokes certain Americans wanting military intervention.

I think you've been watching too much FOX, if that's the case. I wholeheartedly agree American media's coverage of foreign events is atrocious - but that is because Americans by-and-large aren't interested in what happens overseas, and it's a vicious ratings war - not due to some kind of cabal.

Example: During the W administration, news media covered every major attack in Iraq breathlessly, even inventing new standards ("The bloodiest day since almost two weeks ago, Tom. Gosh, Sally, seems like it's getting worse over there.") because that's what the media wanted to cover (George Bush Bad. Brave Democrats Who Oppose Killing Because War Is Mean Good.), and there was a strong domestic audience who wanted to be told that the war was bad and going badly.

During Obama's tenure, reporting on the war dropped off the face of the planet. Republicans, generally, weren't keen to get their anti-war on, and Democrats didn't want to hear bad things about the Administration, so there wasn't a domestic audience for War-Is-Bad stories (which really write themselves, especially when every day is at least the bloodiest day since yesterday), and the media was uncomfortable looking too hard at it because - really - weren't the Intelligent People now in charge, and stuff? I'm sure it's all fine. Let's see if there is a stupid Tea Partier out there willing to open their mouth on camera.


As for preventing another 911, that is very shortsighted.

Perhaps. That doesn't make it not important.

When, for example, someone is actively shooting at you, the decisions you make are typically focused on the next couple of seconds or minutes at best - but those are a very important couple of seconds or minutes, as they sort of determine the degree to which you will later be able to make decisions about days or years. Defeating EXOPS may be a short-sighted activity, but it's as important as the short-sighted nurses in an ER saving a patient's life from a gunshot wound to the gut.

America has other interests in Syria than preventing 911, and America has other interests elsewhere. We are also being hacked, so cyber security is becoming a major concern, more than it was on the day 911. To say our military is focused on preventing a terror attack, well, I am not buying it. Did you really think that's what going into Iraq was about?

Oh. Well, I happen to have lived my entire adult life in and around the military, and I can assure you, CT is very much indeed a major focus. Why do you think SOCOM was expanding when the rest of DOD was facing cuts? It wasn't because they have the most stylish unit patches. It's absolutely true that cyber security is far more important now than it was on 9/11 (and it is true that, despite large investments being made, we are not really on a proper security footing there at all), but even with the renewed emphasis on nation-state actors and near-peer conflict, CT remains a huge operational focus.
 
Fun Fact: GPS Sattelites have a massive number of helpful civilian applications. Your phone, for example.

The military spends a lot of stupid money on a lot of unnecessary stuff (it's still government, after all), but complaining about GPS satellites is the equivalent of complaining about roads.

My impression from reading the linked article is that this GPS system serves only the military.
 
Ditto for WiFi hotspots.

They have very detailed electronic maps of Verizon cell towers that stay fixed. Not so much for the WiFi hot spots that I see on my tablet when I check that band with an WiFi RF app. These tend to be very variable as people change carriers or move away.
 
They have very detailed electronic maps of Verizon cell towers that stay fixed. Not so much for the WiFi hot spots that I see on my tablet when I check that band with an WiFi RF app.

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