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Don’t Fear the "Russian" Military, the country is in no position to wage a real conflict.

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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, in a few more decades we might become (or at least declare ourselves to be) half way done.
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If we had employed maximum violence in , it would have been wrapped up and both countries pacified in 5 years.

Pulling out of Iraq was a mistake of epic proportions.
 
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Litwin said:
do you think that USSR (commie world project) and Ozero´s Muscovite empire the same country ?
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Litwin:

Given the right provocation and the right threat, they could be. Communists did not defeat the Hitlerite hordes of Europe, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians, Siberians, Uzbeks, etc. did. And they can do it again if cornered or attacked.

Cheers.
Evilroddy
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
We did not get our asses kicked in Iraq an Afghanistan. Yes, we had setbacks and casualties but we did not get our asses kicked.
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You got your asses kicked. "setbacks and casualties" is Trump speak for things like Hurricane Maria
 
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Fearandloathing said:
You got your asses kicked. "setbacks and casualties" is Trump speak for things like Hurricane Maria
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Yeah, that’s why Saddam Hussein is still running Iraq...... oh wait.
 
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Litwin said:
" country" is in no position to wage a real conflict." +1,
comments ?

"The week-long exercises, which kicked off yesterday, are intended as a show of might. But the country is in no position to wage a real conflict....

Vostok is not just a big military-training drill—it’s a massive psychological-warfare operation and a geopolitical gambit, being undertaken by Russia as it regains much of its martial mojo and its ability to mount and coordinate complex operations.

That said, there’s a difference between showing off your hardware and testing your new tactics, and actually going to war. We shouldn’t assume that Russia actually wants to fight some major conflict. If nothing else, while Vostok’s scale shows that Moscow has regained the capacity for a continental-scale operation, it could hardly afford to fight one for real. It would have a hard time mustering this kind of army during wartime, when railway lines and communication hubs would be primary targets.


This exercise is part of what I have called “heavy-metal diplomacy”: Russia’s use of its military to overawe and misdirect the West. We’ve seen this kind of undiplomatic diplomacy at work in Europe, where Moscow has responded to debates in Sweden and Finland about joining NATO with war games simulating Russian invasions. We also see this sort of diplomacy at work in the numbers game Vladimir Putin plays. In last year’s Zapad war games, Moscow lowballed the number of soldiers participating in order to keep it below the ceiling at which Western countries would be able to send inspectors under Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe rules. This time around, the Russians seem happy to play up those numbers. But the much-hyped 300,000 figure involves much false accounting—in practice, the real figure may well be closer to 150,000, which is admittedly still an impressive tally. Judging from past examples like Zapad, many of these soldiers are unlikely to leave their barracks. They’ll be “involved” in exercises at the command post, not ones out in the field." https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...9/russia-vostok-putin-army-china-nato/570034/
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This is the same outfit that was 'absolutely certain about WMD's and pulled off the first Trump lie with "Mission Accomplished"?

Keep thinking Iraq was a "success", it's the basis of every claim Trump makes - screw up? Claim not just success, but the "greatest success".

And you wonder how Trump can do what he does. LOL As long as you buy into bull**** you will never have anything but bull****.
 
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braindrain said:
The fact that you think we have been getting our ass kicked in either iraq or Afghanistan shows that you have zero clue what you are talking about. Not being able to completely eliminate an insurgency is not getting your as kicked. You probably should study up on the topic a bit.
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17 years and have gained nothing.

Nice freaking try.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Moving all over the place now, whats next?
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Not moving anywhere.

The "JV" team as it were described by the last president have cost us almost 7,000 young people who you obviously do not give a **** about. There is no end in sight to this fiasco.

Is this how you measure success? If so, then you are completely out of your mind!
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
We did not get our asses kicked in Iraq an Afghanistan. Yes, we had setbacks and casualties but we did not get our asses kicked.
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LOL.....we lost before we got there.

Almost 7000 deaths later, and you still don't get it.

We lost, and we are still there. Why? There is nothing to gain.
 
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The Russians can't afford a huge war, and do not possess the logistics for a huge war.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, that’s why Saddam Hussein is still running Iraq...... oh wait.
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Really?

So, where are the WMD's? Wasn't the object those really, really bad bombs the evil and satanic Sadam had? "Regime change" only came to mind AFTER you ****ed up the country, destroying the electrical grid, water and sewer systems, thousand died simply because of that and you're PROUD of it.

Lies, exaggerations and bull****, a trail of disaster everywhere the 'stars and bars" is flown and you wonder why the world hates you.


just keep those heads permanently in the sand....and stay there
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Really?

So, where are the WMD's? Wasn't the object those really, really bad bombs the evil and satanic Sadam had? "Regime change" only came to mind AFTER you ****ed up the country, destroying the electrical grid, water and sewer systems, thousand died simply because of that and you're PROUD of it.

Lies, exaggerations and bull****, a trail of disaster everywhere the 'stars and bars" is flown and you wonder why the world hates you.


just keep those heads permanently in the sand....and stay there
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Ever hear of Halabja?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

This delusion that “oh, Saddam didn’t have WMDs because he didn’t use them on US forces and let Baghdad get nuked in retaliation” is one of the more amusing myths floating around.

Oh, and the Iraqi Air Force said they took them to Syria.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sada

It is sheer ignorance to only think of nukes when one is talking about WMDs(although Saddam was also trying to get those) and a sure sign that your knowledge is limited to superficial talking points.

Oh yeah, because the country was real stable and well over under Saddam :roll:

Another dumb fantasy those on the left seem to cling to desperately is this myth that brutal dictatorships were some sort of ideallic centers of peace and tranquility before the mean old Americans swooped in. No, the country had already been pretty badly wrecked as a result of Saddam’s mindless aggression even before he was kicked out of power.

Yes, I am proud that we got rid of a thug who murdered thousands of innocents. You may have delusions about what life was like under him, but nobody else does.

:lamo

No buddy, the “world” doesn’t hate the US. Perhaps you should drag yourself out of the 1970s and get in touch with the real world.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Not moving anywhere.

The "JV" team as it were described by the last president have cost us almost 7,000 young people who you obviously do not give a **** about. There is no end in sight to this fiasco.

Is this how you measure success? If so, then you are completely out of your mind!
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I was waiting for your argument on 'getting our ass handed to us' Guess that isnt coming anytime soon right?

I never claimed anything other than we defintely did not get our ass handed to us. I never said a damn thing about success dude. But that probably will not stop you from continuing your strawman crap, so talk to you later perhaps?
 
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Rogue Valley said:
The Russians can't afford a huge war, and do not possess the logistics for a huge war.
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Rogue Valley:

The Soviet Union could not afford to fight the Great Patriotic War, but they did at tremendous cost in blood and treasure; and they won that war which they couldn't afford to fight. I would not be so certain that Russians will let economics stop them from winning (or at least drawing in mutual thermonuclear annihilation) the next great war they find themselves in.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
Re: Don’t Fear the "Russian" Military, the country is in no position to wage a real conflict.

RetiredUSN said:
Not moving anywhere.

The "JV" team as it were described by the last president have cost us almost 7,000 young people who you obviously do not give a **** about. There is no end in sight to this fiasco.

Is this how you measure success? If so, then you are completely out of your mind!
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Proving again you have no idea what you are talking about. How about you start by telling us who Obama was referring to when he used the word jv team.
 
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braindrain said:
So can you tell me specifically how taking away the livelihood of a large percentage of rural Afghanis is going to make them trust and believe in the national government or at least make them not support the Taliban.
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Taking away your enemy's major illegal source of funding might be a good strategic move but if it makes some uneducated rural farmers mad then let the Taliban continue to kill folks.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Taking away your enemy's major illegal source of funding might be a good strategic move but if it makes some uneducated rural farmers mad then let the Taliban continue to kill folks.
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You do understand that the Taliban gets the vast majority of its support and hence its ability to exist from the rural Afghans right. How exactly will alienating the local population from their government help set up a stable country.

This is the problem with people who really don’t understand the problem. They come up with simple responses for very complex problems and then wonder why that doesn’t work in real life.

So back when the Taliban ran Afghanistan there severely limited the opium trade in the country and yet were still able to kill people. Hmm wonder why that was.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Taking away your enemy's major illegal source of funding might be a good strategic move but if it makes some uneducated rural farmers mad then let the Taliban continue to kill folks.
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Taking away their money improves the taliban. The taliban only thrives from local support and acceptance and alienating that populace will cause them to back the taliban more. To win insurgency warfare you must turn the population against the insurgency as they can not exist without the blessing of the people, as they are not uniformed military soldiers, they hide among civilians, in their towns, use local supply chains, and rely on civilians to keep them safe, so civilians are their biggest protector and can also be their biggest enemy.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, that’s why Saddam Hussein is still running Iraq...... oh wait.
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Instead, allies of Iran are running Iraq. Some victory.
 
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beerftw said:
Taking away their money improves the taliban. The taliban only thrives from local support and acceptance and alienating that populace will cause them to back the taliban more. To win insurgency warfare you must turn the population against the insurgency as they can not exist without the blessing of the people, as they are not uniformed military soldiers, they hide among civilians, in their towns, use local supply chains, and rely on civilians to keep them safe, so civilians are their biggest protector and can also be their biggest enemy.
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Exactly right. Why people who obviously have zero knowledge about fighting an insurgency think that they have all the answers, which always are super simple one or two line solutions, is beyond me.
I guess they just think everyone in the US Militay was just to dumb to figure this out. If only we had their brilliant leadership.
 
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Litwin said:
" country" is in no position to wage a real conflict." +1,
comments ?

"The week-long exercises, which kicked off yesterday, are intended as a show of might. But the country is in no position to wage a real conflict....

Vostok is not just a big military-training drill—it’s a massive psychological-warfare operation and a geopolitical gambit, being undertaken by Russia as it regains much of its martial mojo and its ability to mount and coordinate complex operations.

That said, there’s a difference between showing off your hardware and testing your new tactics, and actually going to war. We shouldn’t assume that Russia actually wants to fight some major conflict. If nothing else, while Vostok’s scale shows that Moscow has regained the capacity for a continental-scale operation, it could hardly afford to fight one for real. It would have a hard time mustering this kind of army during wartime, when railway lines and communication hubs would be primary targets.


This exercise is part of what I have called “heavy-metal diplomacy”: Russia’s use of its military to overawe and misdirect the West. We’ve seen this kind of undiplomatic diplomacy at work in Europe, where Moscow has responded to debates in Sweden and Finland about joining NATO with war games simulating Russian invasions. We also see this sort of diplomacy at work in the numbers game Vladimir Putin plays. In last year’s Zapad war games, Moscow lowballed the number of soldiers participating in order to keep it below the ceiling at which Western countries would be able to send inspectors under Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe rules. This time around, the Russians seem happy to play up those numbers. But the much-hyped 300,000 figure involves much false accounting—in practice, the real figure may well be closer to 150,000, which is admittedly still an impressive tally. Judging from past examples like Zapad, many of these soldiers are unlikely to leave their barracks. They’ll be “involved” in exercises at the command post, not ones out in the field." https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...9/russia-vostok-putin-army-china-nato/570034/
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You make the mistake of under estimating the russians, they are the second largest military power on earth, and the only one powerfull enough to fight head on agaisnt the us military, they are also strengthening military ties with india and china, who have the manpower but not the tech or the doctrine.

The russians do not want war with the us, they do not want to fight a war where they may not win, and even if they win they lose, however when push comes to shove throughout history many other nations considered them incapable only to fall to them, They come together on invasions and can be viscious, hitler failed against them, napoleon failed against them, the british empire played a cat and mouse game with them over afghanistan but never made meaningful gains to keep them out as thy seemed to come back.

In their history they fought and defeated two of the most powerful armies in modern times while even then they were called inferior and incapable, but when napoleon and hitler put their money where their mouth was they lost big.
 
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beerftw said:
You make the mistake of under estimating the russians, they are the second largest military power on earth, and the only one powerfull enough to fight head on agaisnt the us military, they are also strengthening military ties with india and china, who have the manpower but not the tech or the doctrine.

The russians do not want war with the us, they do not want to fight a war where they may not win, and even if they win they lose, however when push comes to shove throughout history many other nations considered them incapable only to fall to them, They come together on invasions and can be viscious, hitler failed against them, napoleon failed against them, the british empire played a cat and mouse game with them over afghanistan but never made meaningful gains to keep them out as thy seemed to come back.

In their history they fought and defeated two of the most powerful armies in modern times while even then they were called inferior and incapable, but when napoleon and hitler put their money where their mouth was they lost big.
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what do you think about this military operation , execution and cover operation ?

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https://www.debatepolitics.com/euro...d-chemical-ozero-s-terrorists-do-we-know.html
 
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Evilroddy said:
Rogue Valley:

The Soviet Union could not afford to fight the Great Patriotic War, but they did at tremendous cost in blood and treasure; and they won that war which they couldn't afford to fight. I would not be so certain that Russians will let economics stop them from winning (or at least drawing in mutual thermonuclear annihilation) the next great war they find themselves in.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
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Muscovy (cooperative Ozero) has nothing to with commie project USSR , so stop your nonsense

do they look like commies to you? its a crime cartel

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