Donald Trump’s Military Parade Will Feature Up To 7,000 Servicemembers, 100 Vehicles, 50 Aircraft &

WCH said:

I grew up next to Ft. Hood in TX. They had major parades all the time. Maybe today's troops are just lazy.

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You asked for a poll............I provided the poll. Want some cheese with that whine?

WCH said:

Did you poll them?

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https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/

Well, not me specifically, but yes, there were polls done.

Gee, it's almost like people don't want to waste the money, time and resources on something which is nothing more than another excuse to stroke one man's ego.

WCH said:

I grew up next to Ft. Hood in TX. They had major parades all the time. Maybe today's troops are just lazy.

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Maybe today's troops are more interested in defending the country than they are in things which don't actually benefit anyone.

Tigerace117 said:

Maybe today's troops are more interested in defending the country than they are in things which don't actually benefit anyone.

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It'll benefit Trump and his ego and Megalomaniac dreams. I can see him on a podium, in an Army uniform with phoney medals pinned on him. They have to be fake because well, we know why.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

It'll benefit Trump and his ego and Megalomaniac dreams. I can see him on a podium, in an Army uniform with phoney medals pinned on him. They have to be fake because well, we know why.

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200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital

WASHINGTON — A flag-waving crowd of 200,000 Saturday cheered veterans of Operation Desert Storm as the nation's capital staged its biggest victory celebration since the end of World War II.

Stealth fighter planes zoomed overhead, tanks and Patriot missiles rolled by and more than 8,000 battle-clad troops marched past a beaming President Bush in a display of the American military might that crushed Iraq in 43 days of combat.

"Great day," the President exulted, reflecting the popular mood as well as the glorious summer weather, which produced temperatures in the low 80s and puffs of white clouds floating in a deep blue sky.

The elaborate celebration, which cost $12 million, drew scattered protests from critics, who said that it glorified militarism. And the turnout for the parade--estimated at 200,000 by U.S. Park Police--was far below predictions of 1 million or more spectators.

However, by the time a fireworks display ended shortly after 10 p.m., the crowd had grown to 800,000, Park Police said.

Old-fashioned patriotism was clearly the order of the day among the vast majority who lined the parade route.

"It's a way for the American people to feel good about themselves and their country," said Dawn Gillogly, the wife of a retired Air Force colonel.

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital - latimes

Common Sense 1 said:

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital

WASHINGTON — A flag-waving crowd of 200,000 Saturday cheered veterans of Operation Desert Storm as the nation's capital staged its biggest victory celebration since the end of World War II.

Stealth fighter planes zoomed overhead, tanks and Patriot missiles rolled by and more than 8,000 battle-clad troops marched past a beaming President Bush in a display of the American military might that crushed Iraq in 43 days of combat.

"Great day," the President exulted, reflecting the popular mood as well as the glorious summer weather, which produced temperatures in the low 80s and puffs of white clouds floating in a deep blue sky.

The elaborate celebration, which cost $12 million, drew scattered protests from critics, who said that it glorified militarism. And the turnout for the parade--estimated at 200,000 by U.S. Park Police--was far below predictions of 1 million or more spectators.

However, by the time a fireworks display ended shortly after 10 p.m., the crowd had grown to 800,000, Park Police said.

Old-fashioned patriotism was clearly the order of the day among the vast majority who lined the parade route.

"It's a way for the American people to feel good about themselves and their country," said Dawn Gillogly, the wife of a retired Air Force colonel.

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital - latimes

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You Trumpsters are deplorable. You're comparing a parade honoring vets that fought in an actual War to a parade that's going to be held just to boost Trump's ego. You guys are absolutely pitiful

Hawkeye10 said:

Why do you figure so many other countries dont agree, they doing these things and often on a much bigger scale somewhat regularly?

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They are particularly common in authoritarian states, and, of course, France, who lost the Vietnam war before we did.

Common Sense 1 said:

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital

WASHINGTON — A flag-waving crowd of 200,000 Saturday cheered veterans of Operation Desert Storm as the nation's capital staged its biggest victory celebration since the end of World War II.

Stealth fighter planes zoomed overhead, tanks and Patriot missiles rolled by and more than 8,000 battle-clad troops marched past a beaming President Bush in a display of the American military might that crushed Iraq in 43 days of combat.

"Great day," the President exulted, reflecting the popular mood as well as the glorious summer weather, which produced temperatures in the low 80s and puffs of white clouds floating in a deep blue sky.

The elaborate celebration, which cost $12 million, drew scattered protests from critics, who said that it glorified militarism. And the turnout for the parade--estimated at 200,000 by U.S. Park Police--was far below predictions of 1 million or more spectators.

However, by the time a fireworks display ended shortly after 10 p.m., the crowd had grown to 800,000, Park Police said.

Old-fashioned patriotism was clearly the order of the day among the vast majority who lined the parade route.

"It's a way for the American people to feel good about themselves and their country," said Dawn Gillogly, the wife of a retired Air Force colonel.

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital - latimes

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Still trying to bury the ghost of Vietnam.

WCH said:

Did you poll them?

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I for one am for a limited presence at parades...

Common Sense 1 said:

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital

WASHINGTON — A flag-waving crowd of 200,000 Saturday cheered veterans of Operation Desert Storm as the nation's capital staged its biggest victory celebration since the end of World War II.

Stealth fighter planes zoomed overhead, tanks and Patriot missiles rolled by and more than 8,000 battle-clad troops marched past a beaming President Bush in a display of the American military might that crushed Iraq in 43 days of combat.

"Great day," the President exulted, reflecting the popular mood as well as the glorious summer weather, which produced temperatures in the low 80s and puffs of white clouds floating in a deep blue sky.

The elaborate celebration, which cost $12 million, drew scattered protests from critics, who said that it glorified militarism. And the turnout for the parade--estimated at 200,000 by U.S. Park Police--was far below predictions of 1 million or more spectators.

However, by the time a fireworks display ended shortly after 10 p.m., the crowd had grown to 800,000, Park Police said.

Old-fashioned patriotism was clearly the order of the day among the vast majority who lined the parade route.

"It's a way for the American people to feel good about themselves and their country," said Dawn Gillogly, the wife of a retired Air Force colonel.

200,000 Cheer Victory Parade Through Capital - latimes

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1991, really? In 2018 what are we parading about? North Korea Summit, Helsinki Summit..........what’s the occasion?

As a citizen I dislike this kind of ostentatious display. As a tax payer I dislike the wasteful spending. And as a veteran who remembers how unpleasant and time wasting even simple Change of Command ceremonies were, I dislike wasting these service members’ time like this.

But if I were making a list of the top 100 things this administration does that I don’t like, this parade would not merit being on that list so...meh. Since it is going to happen anyway I hope it goes well.

WCH said:

I grew up next to Ft. Hood in TX. They had major parades all the time. Maybe today's troops are just lazy.

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Silence is deafening. Evidently no service for you........

SenorXm/Sirius said:

You Trumpsters are deplorable. You're comparing a parade honoring vets that fought in an actual War to a parade that's going to be held just to boost Trump's ego. You guys are absolutely pitiful

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Nothing but emotional lashing out at whoever you can! Name calling and mud slinging thrown at anyone! You seem to hate Trump so much rational thought is gone?


"This parade will focus on the contributions of our veterans throughout our history of the U.S. military, starting from the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 to today, with an emphasis on the price of freedom," the memo explained.

The parade is set to take place on Saturday, Nov. 10, 2018, in Washington and will commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.

It will be the first national military parade of its kind in more than 25 years. The Desert Storm Victory Parade in 1991 marked the last time the military took to the streets in such a fashion.

j brown's body said:

Still trying to bury the ghost of Vietnam.

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That's a story from 1991?? Nothing to do with Vietnam?

Rexedgar said:

1991, really? In 2018 what are we parading about? North Korea Summit, Helsinki Summit..........what’s the occasion?

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Post 38 has info about the parade.

I much rather see base shows at military bases. I realize there is a price tag on that too but the civilian turnout is unbelievably high.

We have a air show at local Air Force base every 2 years. Usually brining in the Thunderbirds and others.
One thing about the base shows it allows often 1 on 1 contact with service members which a parade doesn't.

Following his history Trump will end up making this all about him rather than the military members.

WCH said:

I grew up next to Ft. Hood in TX. They had major parades all the time. Maybe today's troops are just lazy.

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Right wingers are always certain life was much better when they were growing up -- that their adult world doesn't measure up to the world of their childhood. So kindly be advised the present generations of ceremonial troops in Washington are equal at the least to those of the past. The All-Volunteer Force is itself different from the conscripted one and AVF fights radically different battles and campaigns than the force of generations past. Laziness is relative anyway. For instance people who sum up the world in 25 grumbled words or less would be arbitrary, lazy, glib, trite and boring.

I've noted there are two kind of troops in this parade. There are the ceremonial troops who do this happy horsesh*t each day to include regularly on weekends -- and on many evenings. Then there are the troops being imported to the event from their deployments. Each group is professional and expert so they are accustomed to lots of practice, exercises, training and the like. The troops of each category who will march, roll and fly over to include their commanders will work hard to make the parade a success as a parade.


Navy Ceremonial Guard Platoon from USN Ceremonial Guard Force at Washington Navy Yard Passes in Review at the White House in an inaugural parade.


The public will turn out in large numbers given residents of the national capital region know already their ceremonial units from holiday parades, memorial and commemorative events, celebrations and formal, official observances or celebrations. Indeed, the parade is on Veterans Day which has a baked in civil-military presence and interaction led by veterans. Further, Pentagon and Congress have removed the Trump Jong Un Putin aspects of the event to make it consistent with American values and traditional civil-military relations.

So it is unfortunate American Conservatives find it so difficult to participate normally in the world they have grown up into. Today's troops for instance are engaged in Fifth Generation Warfare and are moving into Sixth Generation War fighting. That means zapping the enemy using a laser and hellfire missile guided by gps gleaned from satellites in low earth orbit. It means shrouding the enemy in a technological fog before conflict begins to render the enemy incapable of knowing who is out here doing what and how. That world.

Donald's expensive wank fest. Just think of that money in our schools...

WCH said:

I think it's cool. Celebrating those who fight for our freedom which is mostly lost of the last couple of generations.

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As retired military I find these dog and pony shows a complete waste of man hours and resources. Those of us that have served, we know how much time it takes to prepare for such an event. Its not just the day its self. Its months of preplanning and rehearsals that take valuable time out of a soldier/airmans day, time which could be better spent servicing equipment and aircraft.

WCH said:

I grew up next to Ft. Hood in TX. They had major parades all the time. Maybe today's troops are just lazy.

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Todays military are told to do more with less. That is unofficial moto since the draw down at the end of the Cold War. I can assure you are active duty and Reserve folks work hard, the American people get there moneys worth. You often make assumptions which are incorrect, you are sorely uninformed about our military personnel.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

It'll benefit Trump and his ego and Megalomaniac dreams. I can see him on a podium, in an Army uniform with phoney medals pinned on him. They have to be fake because well, we know why.

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Did they give medals in the 70's for banging supermodels? Ya Ol Bone Spurs kicked up his heels at Studio 54 while McCain ate moldy rice in a N Vietnam POW camp. Most of us with a lick of common sense know who is the hero.

Tangmo said:

Right wingers are always certain life was much better when they were growing up -- that their adult world doesn't measure up to the world of their childhood. So kindly be advised the present generations of ceremonial troops in Washington are equal at the least to those of the past. The All-Volunteer Force is itself different from the conscripted one and AVF fights radically different battles and campaigns than the force of generations past. Laziness is relative anyway. For instance people who sum up the world in 25 grumbled words or less would be arbitrary, lazy, glib, trite and boring.

I've noted there are two kind of troops in this parade. There are the ceremonial troops who do this happy horsesh*t each day to include regularly on weekends -- and on many evenings. Then there are the troops being imported to the event from their deployments. Each group is professional and expert so they are accustomed to lots of practice, exercises, training and the like. The troops of each category who will march, roll and fly over to include their commanders will work hard to make the parade a success as a parade.

Navy Ceremonial Guard Platoon from USN Ceremonial Guard Force at Washington Navy Yard Passes in Review at the White House in an inaugural parade.


The public will turn out in large numbers given residents of the national capital region know already their ceremonial units from holiday parades, memorial and commemorative events, celebrations and formal, official observances or celebrations. Indeed, the parade is on Veterans Day which has a baked in civil-military presence and interaction led by veterans. Further, Pentagon and Congress have removed the Trump Jong Un Putin aspects of the event to make it consistent with American values and traditional civil-military relations.

So it is unfortunate American Conservatives find it so difficult to participate normally in the world they have grown up into. Today's troops for instance are engaged in Fifth Generation Warfare and are moving into Sixth Generation War fighting. That means zapping the enemy using a laser and hellfire missile guided by gps gleaned from satellites in low earth orbit. It means shrouding the enemy in a technological fog before conflict begins to render the enemy incapable of knowing who is out here doing what and how. That world.

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Almost 2 out of every 3 fighter jets in the Navy today are grounded due to lack of parts and funding.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/us-navy-planes-grounded/index.html

Every ship down at the piers has some LPO or Supply PO trying to run his division with a underfunded OPTAR.


But people like you think it's fine to spend desperately needed funding for your toy soldier displays, and all the while claiming conservatives are BS.

RetiredUSN said:

Almost 2 out of every 3 fighter jets in the Navy today are grounded due to lack of parts and funding.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/us-navy-planes-grounded/index.html

Every ship down at the piers has some LPO or Supply PO trying to run his division with a underfunded OPTAR.


But people like you think it's fine to spend desperately needed funding for your toy soldier displays, and all the while claiming conservatives are BS.

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I'm on the record concerning Trump's Kim Jong Un parade as opposed to it 100% and from the first syllable blurbed by The Babe in Wonderland. That would be of course the Generalissimo Numbnuts Trump.

Predictably and in their better judgement Pentagon -- and Congress in the Defense Authorization Act of 2019 -- gave SecDef Jim Mattis everything he asked for about the parade. So instead of the $30 million bucks for Trump's Pyongyang Parade the cost will be in the neighborhood of $12 million and an event that is more American than foreign.

Bottom line is that there was always going to be a parade one way or the other of one kind or another from the moment Trump blurted out about it. So this is what we got which a lot better than the Dictator Special Trump had in his alleged mind from the outset.

Fact and reality are btw the $12 million bucks going into the parade weren't going anywhere else to begin with -- not to schools for instance and not to spare parts. The $12m didn't exist in the budget before the parade and it wouldn't exist in the budget without the parade. Had the $12m been somehow conceived as otherwise belonging in the budget it probably would have gone toward something along the lines of Mattis top priority of increasing the lethality of existing weapons or for existing research on a new tank barrel that can angle 80 degrees to fight effectively in urban warfare which is an Army top priority.

Given I did four years in the 3 IR TOG doing all of this happy stuff I'm always up for a parade. A parade is the bread and butter of all the ceremonial units of the armed forces in the Military District of Washington. From where I sit I can say however that had Trump managed to get the parade he wanted many troops would have marched with clothespins on their noses. So we on this side got the parade back to what parades are in USA. We're still looking at a strange beast being born here given it's a military parade which is rare and that Trump's only intention in having His Parade was to exalt Trump Him Self. Because Trump got cut back and down concerning his parade he'll just have to share the day with the people he wasn't thinking about when he set out on his parade farce -- veterans, active duty military personnel and the general public which will not be in Trump's capture as he'd intended it to be.

Huge waste of money!

Tangmo said:

I'm on the record concerning Trump's Kim Jong Un parade as opposed to it 100% and from the first syllable blurbed by The Babe in Wonderland. That would be of course the Generalissimo Numbnuts Trump.

Predictably and in their better judgement Pentagon -- and Congress in the Defense Authorization Act of 2019 -- gave SecDef Jim Mattis everything he asked for about the parade. So instead of the $30 million bucks for Trump's Pyongyang Parade the cost will be in the neighborhood of $12 million and an event that is more American than foreign.

Bottom line is that there was always going to be a parade one way or the other of one kind or another from the moment Trump blurted out about it. So this is what we got which a lot better than the Dictator Special Trump had in his alleged mind from the outset.

Fact and reality are btw the $12 million bucks going into the parade weren't going anywhere else to begin with -- not to schools for instance and not to spare parts. The $12m didn't exist in the budget before the parade and it wouldn't exist in the budget without the parade. Had the $12m been somehow conceived as otherwise belonging in the budget it probably would have gone toward something along the lines of Mattis top priority of increasing the lethality of existing weapons or for existing research on a new tank barrel that can angle 80 degrees to fight effectively in urban warfare which is an Army top priority.

Given I did four years in the 3 IR TOG doing all of this happy stuff I'm always up for a parade. A parade is the bread and butter of all the ceremonial units of the armed forces in the Military District of Washington. From where I sit I can say however that had Trump managed to get the parade he wanted many troops would have marched with clothespins on their noses. So we on this side got the parade back to what parades are in USA. We're still looking at a strange beast being born here given it's a military parade which is rare and that Trump's only intention in having His Parade was to exalt Trump Him Self. Because Trump got cut back and down concerning his parade he'll just have to share the day with the people he wasn't thinking about when he set out on his parade farce -- veterans, active duty military personnel and the general public which will not be in Trump's capture as he'd intended it to be.

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It's still 12 million dollars that can go to spare parts and possibly save service members from getting seriously injured.

Any money allocated towards a marching toy soldier spectacle is a waste of money.