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Marines to Buy New Amphibious Combat Vehicle from BAE Systems

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Marines to Buy New Amphibious Combat Vehicle from BAE Systems

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BAE Systems Amphibious Combat Vehicle prototype

6/19/18
The U.S. Marine Corps has chosen BAE Systems to build new Amphibious Combat Vehicles, kicking off the long-awaited replacement of the four-decade-old armored personnel carriers that currently carry Marines from ship to shore. BAE’s eight-wheeled vehicle beat out a similar one pitched by SAIC. The contract awarded Tuesday orders 30 ACVs for a total of $198 million, with deliveries starting late next year. Follow-on contracts are expected to total 204 ACVs for more than $1 billion. The plan then calls for buying 400 copies of a more advanced and capable variant of the ACV, allowing the Corps to retire the AAV in the mid to late 2020s. The Marines found the BAE proposal a better value, John Garner, program executive officer for Marine Corps Land Systems, said on a conference call Tuesday. The ACV will “bring a modern, wheeled capability that has landward mobility on par with a modern battle tank along with the remarkable survivability that the system has for underbody blast and then also other threats,” Col. Wendell Leimbach, the Advanced Amphibious Assault program manager, said on the call. “We were able to demonstrate that and prove to ourselves that as we move forward we truly have a game-changing capability in the ACV that will allow the Marine Corps to operate across all of its mission profile, including that extremely challenging littoral region that includes the surf and the open ocean.” Both vehicles were evaluated during combat-like drills at Twentynine Palms and Camp Pendleton in California. “By and large, the design is proven to be extremely reliable and robust,” Leimbach said of the BAE vehicle. The 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion, 1st Marine Division out of Camp Pendleton, California, is expected to receive the first ACV 1.1 vehicles.
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The BAE ACV has space for 13 kitted Marines and a crew of three which keeps the rifle squad together. It also features a V-shaped hull to better protect against mines/IED's and suspended seats. It will also feature a .50-caliber gun and a 40 mm grenade launcher both remotely controlled. 50% more horsepower than the legacy AAV. Note: the amphibious ability of the ACV 1.1 model is only about 90% complete which will be completely addressed in the 1.2 model.

Related: BAE Systems | Amphibious Combat Vehicle 1.1
 
Rogue Valley said:
Marines to Buy New Amphibious Combat Vehicle from BAE Systems

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BAE Systems Amphibious Combat Vehicle prototype



The BAE ACV has space for 13 kitted Marines and a crew of three which keeps the rifle squad together. It also features a V-shaped hull to better protect against mines/IED's and suspended seats. It will also feature a .50-caliber gun and a 40 mm grenade launcher both remotely controlled. 50% more horsepower than the legacy AAV. Note: the amphibious ability of the ACV 1.1 model is only about 90% complete which will be completely addressed in the 1.2 model.

Related: BAE Systems | Amphibious Combat Vehicle 1.1
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BAE- British Aerospace, right? Made in England?
Does the Marine Corps have to pay a tariff?

edit- just Googled 'SAIC'. Is it Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation? Lots of countries working to MAGA, apparently.
 
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Grand Mal said:
BAE- British Aerospace, right? Made in England?
Does the Marine Corps have to pay a tariff?

edit- just Googled 'SAIC'. Is it Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation? Lots of countries working to MAGA, apparently.
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BAE Systems, Inc. (Arlington, Virginia) is the U.S. subsidiary of BAE Systems plc. (international - main HQ is in Britain)

SAIC = Science Applications International Corp. (Reston, Virginia - US company)
 
Rogue Valley said:
BAE Systems, Inc. (Arlington, Virginia) is the U.S. subsidiary of BAE Systems plc. (international - main HQ is in Britain)

SAIC = Science Applications International Corp. (Reston, Virginia - US company)
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Ah, thanks.
 
Grand Mal said:
BAE- British Aerospace, right? Made in England?
Does the Marine Corps have to pay a tariff?

edit- just Googled 'SAIC'. Is it Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation? Lots of countries working to MAGA, apparently.
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You should seek some help for your TDS. It just makes you look foolish.
 
braindrain said:
You should seek some help for your TDS. It just makes you look foolish.
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TDS. I don't think it means what you think it means. But it is widening the gulf between the realistic and the deranged.
 
Grand Mal said:
BAE- British Aerospace, right? Made in England?
Does the Marine Corps have to pay a tariff?

edit- just Googled 'SAIC'. Is it Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation? Lots of countries working to MAGA, apparently.
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What you are overlooking through this bullcrap you throw out everyday on here is the continuing relations between countries in all phases of economics and military readiness.
 
RetiredUSN said:
What you are overlooking through this bullcrap you throw out everyday on here is the continuing relations between countries in all phases of economics and military readiness.
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"All phases of economics", huh? That's part of continuing relations between countries in your corner of 'make-believe'? In that strange, magical place where foreign-produced raw metals are a national security matter but foreign military tech is on a lowest bidder basis. British steel has a 25% tariff attached to it but British amphibious vehicles get the nod from the Pentagon bureaucrats. Yeah, your boy Trump isn't an idiot, he's just misunderstood.
 
Grand Mal said:
TDS. I don't think it means what you think it means. But it is widening the gulf between the realistic and the deranged.
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No it means exactly what I think it means and you are surfing from a severe case of it.
 
braindrain said:
No it means exactly what I think it means and you are surfing from a severe case of it.
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Heheh. Surfing from a severe case.
Listen. TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, is that dysfunction that makes poor fools believe that Donald Trump is a viable president. It's probably a manifestation of a deeper mental illness and so won't be easily treated but Trump leaving the White House will help the legions of TDS sufferers start on the road to recovery.
Hope this helps.
 
Grand Mal said:
Heheh. Surfing from a severe case.
Listen. TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, is that dysfunction that makes poor fools believe that Donald Trump is a viable president. It's probably a manifestation of a deeper mental illness and so won't be easily treated but Trump leaving the White House will help the legions of TDS sufferers start on the road to recovery.
Hope this helps.
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So not only do you suffer from TDS you try and use phrases you don't understand the meaning of.

Here let me help you.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trump Derangement Syndrome
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason.
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braindrain said:
So not only do you suffer from TDS you try and use phrases you don't understand the meaning of.

Here let me help you.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trump Derangement Syndrome
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Yeahyeah. Urbandictionary. Where the deranged go to justify their derangement.
Listen. TDS blinds you to what a buffoon Trump is, and makes you gloss over and spin-doctor the lyingest national leader since Enver Hoxha. TDS makes you ignore when he reverses his position on something. TDS makes you applaud when he threatens to sabotage the best economy your country has had in years. TDS makes his disciples forget what he said yesterday and cheer what he says today.
Trump Derangement Syndrome has made millions of Americans abandon what their common sense tells them for what a spoiled trust-fund-baby NY real estate shyster tells them.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeahyeah. Urbandictionary. Where the deranged go to justify their derangement.
Listen. TDS blinds you to what a buffoon Trump is, and makes you gloss over and spin-doctor the lyingest national leader since Enver Hoxha. TDS makes you ignore when he reverses his position on something. TDS makes you applaud when he threatens to sabotage the best economy your country has had in years. TDS makes his disciples forget what he said yesterday and cheer what he says today.
Trump Derangement Syndrome has made millions of Americans abandon what their common sense tells them for what a spoiled trust-fund-baby NY real estate shyster tells them.
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Pathetic. Proven wrong but just have to pretend like you are right any way. How unsurprising. Words have actual meanings and urban dictionary is a lot more then you have provided to back your claim.
Rather then just being openly dishonest it would have been better to just stop posting in this thread.

And just to set the record straight. I think Trump is a horrible person and a very bad president. The difference is I am not obsessed with him like it is obvious you are. But what can you expect with someone with TDS like you.
 
braindrain said:
Pathetic. Proven wrong but just have to pretend like you are right any way. How unsurprising. Words have actual meanings and urban dictionary is a lot more then you have provided to back your claim.
Rather then just being openly dishonest it would have been better to just stop posting in this thread.

And just to set the record straight. I think Trump is a horrible person and a very bad president. The difference is I am not obsessed with him like it is obvious you are. But what can you expect with someone with TDS like you.
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See what I mean? You think he's a horrible person but you defend him on the internet. Classic TDS.
 
Grand Mal said:
See what I mean? You think he's a horrible person but you defend him on the internet. Classic TDS.
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Calling you out for your TDS is not defending him. This is a typical problem with people suffering from TDS. They are so consumed with hate that they are blinded to reality.

So let's see you quote me defending him. We both know you can't.

And while you are on it how about you provide some proof of your claim as to what TDS means.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Marines to Buy New Amphibious Combat Vehicle from BAE Systems

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BAE Systems Amphibious Combat Vehicle prototype



The BAE ACV has space for 13 kitted Marines and a crew of three which keeps the rifle squad together. It also features a V-shaped hull to better protect against mines/IED's and suspended seats. It will also feature a .50-caliber gun and a 40 mm grenade launcher both remotely controlled. 50% more horsepower than the legacy AAV. Note: the amphibious ability of the ACV 1.1 model is only about 90% complete which will be completely addressed in the 1.2 model.

Related: BAE Systems | Amphibious Combat Vehicle 1.1
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Oh good. More money wasted on the militay
 
braindrain said:
Calling you out for your TDS is not defending him. This is a typical problem with people suffering from TDS. They are so consumed with hate that they are blinded to reality.

So let's see you quote me defending him. We both know you can't.

And while you are on it how about you provide some proof of your claim as to what TDS means.
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TDS. Trump Derangement Syndrome. A condition where you have a completely unrealistic viewpoint of Trump, a derangement that won't allow you to see the truth right in front of you.
Sound about right?
 
Grand Mal said:
TDS. Trump Derangement Syndrome. A condition where you have a completely unrealistic viewpoint of Trump, a derangement that won't allow you to see the truth right in front of you.
Sound about right?
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Repeating the same wrong BS won't make it any more true. And we both know why you can't provide any thing to back up your foolishness.
 
braindrain said:
Repeating the same wrong BS won't make it any more true. And we both know why you can't provide any thing to back up your foolishness.
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Hurts, huh? Stings like a bitch.
 
When I read only 90% mphibious for some reason the pentagon wars came to mind.



Just needs the prtholes so the troops can shoot out of it while underwater, no scratch that just make it 100% amphibious before buying it, if we could make them 100% amphibious in ww2, doing it today should be easy, not an upgrade delivered in a second model.
 
Note: the amphibious ability of the ACV 1.1 model is only about 90% complete which will be completely addressed in the 1.2 model.
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I think the Titanic was 90% unsinkable.....but that 10% will always bite you in the backside.

I remember observing Marine AAV's back in the 90's performing Amphibious ops in Okinawa......the coral channels are narrow, so the operators need to be very away of their position approaching the beach; one AAV was out of position and struck the edge of the reef....it resulted in the final drive of the AAV being torn away from the vehicle.

Makes me wonder why the Marines think rubber tires will hold up any better, or if it is simply a weight saving measure?
 
beerftw said:
Just needs the prtholes so the troops can shoot out of it while underwater, no scratch that just make it 100% amphibious before buying it, if we could make them 100% amphibious in ww2, doing it today should be easy, not an upgrade delivered in a second model.
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You have to look at what the purpose of this vehicle is.

It is not designed to be an Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) like the M-2 Bradley. It's primary mission is to get Marines from the ship to the shore, then return to the ship to get more Marines. Yes, many times it is employed as an IFV, but that is not it's main purpose. And as such, the Infantry inside do not fire from it. They are either buttoned up inside because it is in the water, or in cases where it is used as an IFV they are actually riding on top of it, like they did in Vietnam.

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This is the type of thing that all Marines are aware of. Other than direct amphibious operations, we rarely actually worked with LVTs or AAVs. We got on, went from ship to shore or across a river, then got off. In the rare event we did work with them for prolonged operations, we generally stayed on the roof, knowing that being inside of them on land where the chances of being taken under fire by anti-tank missiles was high was a death sentence.

And yes, these boxes are well past time for retirement. The current LAV-7 is actually a Nixon era machine, designed during the Vietnam War. They should have been retired decades ago.
 
Oozlefinch said:
You have to look at what the purpose of this vehicle is.

It is not designed to be an Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) like the M-2 Bradley. It's primary mission is to get Marines from the ship to the shore, then return to the ship to get more Marines. Yes, many times it is employed as an IFV, but that is not it's main purpose. And as such, the Infantry inside do not fire from it. They are either buttoned up inside because it is in the water, or in cases where it is used as an IFV they are actually riding on top of it, like they did in Vietnam.

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This is the type of thing that all Marines are aware of. Other than direct amphibious operations, we rarely actually worked with LVTs or AAVs. We got on, went from ship to shore or across a river, then got off. In the rare event we did work with them for prolonged operations, we generally stayed on the roof, knowing that being inside of them on land where the chances of being taken under fire by anti-tank missiles was high was a death sentence.

And yes, these boxes are well past time for retirement. The current LAV-7 is actually a Nixon era machine, designed during the Vietnam War. They should have been retired decades ago.
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I have no actual issue with the antiques being retired, my gripe would be the replacement being 90% amphibious while going back to ww2 they ad 100% amphibious, full function of original design should be delivered with the first model, not something you buy and they promise to sell you a second model to do what the first was supposed to do.
 
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