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Female Ranger School student dropped for pregnancy

OrphanSlug said:
Why is this even a story?
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If you are in the military, its a story because this kind of thing happens all the time and it impacts mission readiness. If you arent in the military and life is one big social justice breeding ground...you are right...who gives a ****.
 
Amelia said:
Ah, now we get to the crux of your objection.

Doesn't matter if she used birth control or was celibate. You don't care how responsible she was or wasn't. You just don't want her there at all.


Too bad. She is on the leadership track and the military is making accommodations for nature and not treating being female as a disease. Sorry you don't like it.


:shrug:
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An all male class has a 100% chance of not getting knocked up.

That accomodation will get soldiers killed.
 
apdst said:
She should have disciplined enough to avoid getting pregnant. She's trying to become a member of one of the most elite infantry regiments in the world. She needs to act like it.
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So then the men in the program should not have sex either during their training?

Because no birth control is 100% and you'd just be a hypocrite if you thought men could go ahead and have sex.
 
apdst said:
She's undisciplined and unreliable. She can't avoid getting knocked for a training school. How's she going to conduct herself during a war? The Army spends millions to train her and she can't deploy because she's knocked up? Maybe she would be better off in a civilian job.
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Did you read your whole article? :roll:

She got pregnant before starting the training school. Probably didnt know. BC isnt 100% effective.

Are you saying that no soldiers should have sex while they are enlisted unless they have been surgically sterilized?
 
Lursa said:
So then the men in the program should not have sex either during their training?

Because no birth control is 100% and you'd just be a hypocrite if you thought men could go ahead and have sex.
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Not with a female soldier that they're training with, no.

A male only course woupd 100% guarantee zero pregnancies.
 
Lursa said:
Did you read your whole article? :roll:

She got pregnant before starting the training school. Probably didnt know. BC isnt 100% effective.

Are you saying that no soldiers should have sex while they are enlisted unless they have been surgically sterilized?
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He's saying that women should be excluded.

He just took a while to get around to saying that. He pretended it was irresponsible sexual activity that he objected to. But it's really women.

The world has moved on and left him behind.
 
apdst said:
Not with a female soldier that they're training with, no.

A male only course woupd 100% guarantee zero pregnancies.
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So thanks...you think men can have all the sex they want and women cannot.

As if men dont get sick and have to drop out. And yeah...they get sick and injured doing 'irresponsible' things too.
 
Lursa said:
Did you read your whole article? :roll:

She got pregnant before starting the training school. Probably didnt know. BC isnt 100% effective.

Are you saying that no soldiers should have sex while they are enlisted unless they have been surgically sterilized?
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And now, she's useless because she can't perform her job.
 
apdst said:
And now, she's useless because she can't perform her job.
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And so's any man that gets sick or injured and many times that's due to their own actions, not training.

And so the unit still ends up "not 100%." Er...the Army does plan for that :doh

How about some stats on women getting pregnant and being relieved and men getting sick/injured and getting relieved? Got any comparisons?
 
Lursa said:
So thanks...you think men can have all the sex they want and women cannot.

As if men dont get sick and have to drop out. And yeah...they get sick and injured doing 'irresponsible' things too.
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Not with other soldiers, they shouldn't. Plus, men can't get pregnant.

This is about training to be combat ready, not being nice to some chick too irresponsible to keep from getting knocked up.
 
Lursa said:
And so's any man that gets sick or injured and many times that's due to their own actions, not training.

And so the unit still ends up "not 100%." Er...the Army does plan for that :doh

How about some stats on women getting pregnant and being relieved and men getting sick/injured and getting relieved? Got any comparisons?
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Getting pregnant was a result of a concious decision she made.
 
apdst said:
Not with other soldiers, they shouldn't. Plus, men can't get pregnant.

This is about training to be combat ready, not being nice to some chick too irresponsible to keep from getting knocked up.
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apdst said:
Getting pregnant was a result of a concious decision she made.
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And so is getting sick or injured on your off hours like men do. They make conscious choices that lead to STDs, food poisoning, infections, injuries...please, dont lie.

And those irresponsible decisions lead to them letting their unit down. Therer's no difference.

Sex isnt irresponsible if you use birth control but it's not 100%. It happened BEFORE she joined that program.

And she never stopped training to be combat ready.
 
Lursa said:
And so is getting sick or injured on your off hours like men do. They make conscious choices that lead to STDs, food poisoning, infections, injuries...please, dont lie.

And those irresponsible decisions lead to them letting their unit down. Therer's no difference.

Sex isnt irresponsible if you use birth control but it's not 100%. It happened BEFORE she joined that program.

And she never stopped training to be combat ready.
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Soldiers who get injured or sick off duty can face an Article 15, and one time I saw a 1st Lt. court martialed because he got drunk, broke his leg and couldn't deploy on an NTC rotation.

She's no longer combat ready because she can't be deployed while she's pregnant.
 
apdst said:
Repeating the course isn't the same thing as being recycled.
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How sharp a blade are you using to split hairs? It’s gotta be getting dull.....
 
apdst said:
Soldiers who get injured or sick off duty can face an Article 15, and one time I saw a 1st Lt. court martialed because he got drunk, broke his leg and couldn't deploy on an NTC rotation.

She's no longer combat ready because she can't be deployed while she's pregnant.
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Yeah...getting drunk is stupid and irresponsible.

Getting pregnant while using birth control is not.

ANd she was training and combat ready up until the pregnancy was discovered.
 
Lursa said:
Yeah...getting drunk is stupid and irresponsible.

Getting pregnant while using birth control is not.

ANd she was training and combat ready up until the pregnancy was discovered.
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That's why women shouldn't be in the ranks.
 
apdst said:
An all male class has a 100% chance of not getting knocked up.

That accomodation will get soldiers killed.
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Bullpucky.

No soldiers will be killed because a woman is taking time off to have a baby.
 
apdst said:
And now, she's useless because she can't perform her job.
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No, she is not useless.

Taking maternity leave doesn't mean she can't perform her job. She's just taking leave. Other people will fill in while she is gone, just like there would be people to fill in for anyone else who needed to go on leave.


That ship has sailed. Women are here to stay. Not even Trump is willing to contemplate going back to where you want us to be. And no one is getting killed because a qualified woman takes time off to have a baby.
 
Amelia said:
No, she is not useless.

Taking maternity leave doesn't mean she can't perform her job. She's just taking leave. Other people will fill in while she is gone, just like there would be people to fill in for anyone else who needed to go on leave.


That ship has sailed. Women are here to stay. Not even Trump is willing to contemplate going back to where you want us to be. And no one is getting killed because a qualified woman takes time off to have a baby.
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If she's on leave, she can't perform her job.
 
Amelia said:
Bullpucky.

No soldiers will be killed because a woman is taking time off to have a baby.
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A lack of readiness and a breakdown in discipline will get soldiers killed.
 
apdst said:
If she's on leave, she can't perform her job.
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If a man goes on leave, he isn't performing his job.

Then he comes back. And he does his job.

And she'll come back. And she'll do her job.
 
apdst said:
A lack of readiness and a breakdown in discipline will get soldiers killed.
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That is not the case here.

Readiness is not compromised. Discipline is not compromised.


The military is just as ready now as it was before she went on leave. And just as disciplined.


This is just another day at the office. A nonstory.
 
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