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Russia to Develop New Electronic Warfare Systems After Analyzing U.S. Missiles Recovered in Syria

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Russia to Develop New Electronic Warfare Systems After Analyzing U.S. Missiles Recovered in Syria

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MT/TASS
5/29/18

A Russian arms company has announced plans to develop new electronic warfare systems in three years after analyzing U.S. Tomahawk missiles recovered following a recent coalition strike in Syria. The United States, Britain and France launched 105 missiles on Syrian government forces last month in retaliation for a suspected chemical attack on a rebel-held area near the capital. The Russian military had warned prior to the airstrikes that it would target the missiles and the locations from which they are fired. The Russian military electronic equipment producer Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern (KRET) is analyzing the Tomahawks that were sent to Russia after being recovered in Syria, one of its senior managers told the state-run RIA Novosti news agency on Tuesday.

“Knowing all these parameters, we’ll be able to more effectively jam these cruise missiles at all stages of their combat use,” RIA quoted KRET’s deputy head Vladimir Mikheyev as saying. The Russian military displayed fragments of what it said were unexploded U.S. Tomahawks two weeks after the attack near Damascus. “They are being examined by Russian specialists. The results of this work will be used to improve Russian weapons,” Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy said at the time. The U.S. Defense Department called the claims “another example of the Russian disinformation campaign,” CNBC reported.

IIRC, Tomahawk CMs have a self-destruct feature that detonates internal rings of explosives to prevent capture.
 
Oh FFS!!!!

Russia is going to get their hands on anything they can to learn about our capability, and the exact same thing is true the other way around. As for what is reported about all this, it almost does not matter.
 
Oh FFS!!!!

Russia is going to get their hands on anything they can to learn about our capability, and the exact same thing is true the other way around. As for what is reported about all this, it almost does not matter.

Agreed! Considering that a year ago they took down about half the missiles launched, and this year maybe as high as 70%, it seems they might already have the numbers for our new stuff.
 
So, do you believe this Russian propaganda outlet, or not?

MT articles themselves are fairly reliable about Russia news.

This is a reprint of a story from TASS and RIA Novosti. Both are state-owned outlets just like RT and Sputnik.

Intelligent people realize one has to account for story source to determine credibility.
 
MT articles themselves are fairly reliable about Russia news.

This is a reprint of a story from TASS and RIA Novosti. Both are state-owned outlets just like RT and Sputnik.

Intelligent people realize one has to determine story source.

You did not answer the question.
 
You did not answer the question.

Your original question was dumb. The second try is even dumber.

I suggest you look again at my OP response.
 
Your original question was dumb. The second try is even dumber.

I suggest you look again at my OP response.

Why can't you answer a simple question? Do you believe it, or not? Your OP does not shed much light on this. You certainly don't say that you don't believe it.

If you're avoiding answering, it's reasonable to suspect that you do indeed believe it. If not, just say so. It really is as simple as a yes or a no.
 
It really is as simple as a yes or a no.

No. You couldn't discern that? Does "self-destruct feature" ring any Harshaw bells?

You're a lawyer? Geezus. I can't help stupid and have little patience for practitioners.
 
No. You couldn't discern that? Does "self-destruct feature" ring any Harshaw bells?

You're a lawyer? Geezus. I can't help stupid and have little patience for practitioners.

I'm a good enough lawyer to know when someone is laying a wide swathe of wiggle room for himself, and when it's reinforced by avoiding answering a direct question. And those are what you were doing.

You've believed similar stories from the same sources before. Don't try to put that on me.
 
No. You couldn't discern that? Does "self-destruct feature" ring any Harshaw bells?

You're a lawyer? Geezus. I can't help stupid and have little patience for practitioners.

If the tomahawk has a self destruct device does nothing to answer his question and doesn't change the fact that your refusal to answer his question is rather sad.
 
I'm a good enough lawyer to know when someone is laying a wide swathe of wiggle room for himself, and when it's reinforced by avoiding answering a direct question.

For a [supposed] lawyer, you're not very quick on the uptake.
 
For a [supposed] lawyer, you're not very quick on the uptake.

I'd say I'm sorry to call you on your bull****, but of course I'm not.

It's not my fault you have a track record of glomming onto Russian propaganda when it suits your anti-Trump obsessions.
 
I'd say I'm sorry to call you on your bull****, but of course I'm not.

It's not my fault you have a track record of glomming onto Russian propaganda when it suits your anti-Trump obsessions.

Been to Rossiya twice. The people are for the most part genuine and very hospitable. That said, I've been anti-Soviet/Russia regime all of my life.

But you hang on to the illusions Harshaw QC. You're not really worth any exasperation.
 
Been to Rossiya twice. The people are for the most part genuine and very hospitable. That said, I've been anti-Soviet/Russia regime all of my life.

But you hang on to the illusions Harshaw QC. You're not really worth any exasperation.

There are no "illusions." Your record is clear.
 
Russia to Develop New Electronic Warfare Systems After Analyzing U.S. Missiles Recovered in Syria

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“Knowing all these parameters, we’ll be able to more effectively jam these cruise missiles at all stages of their combat use,” RIA quoted KRET’s deputy head Vladimir Mikheyev as saying.

IIRC, Tomahawk CMs have a self-destruct feature that detonates internal rings of explosives to prevent capture.

Ultimately, none of this really matters. Because there is nothing really to be jammed.

Tomahawks navigate today the exact same way they did 35 years ago. By inertial navigation (INS). This is a box inside that tracks how far it has flown along a set course, and determines with it's internal map where it is in relation to the target. This is very proven, secure, bullet-proof technology that does not rely upon any kind of outside communication.

The secondary navigation system is visual (TERCOM - Terrain Contour Matching as well as DSMAC - Digitized Scene-Mapping Area Correlator), using the on-board camera to verify that the terrain under it is what it is expected to see. And the navigation is plotted based upon fixed landmarks. That is why they often fly right over or close to highways, and make turns at mountains and stream crossings. Physical landmarks are large, and impossible to move.

And finally, they use GPS. And yes, this is easily jammed. But the GPS in a Tomahawk is simply the final check made and used for terminal navigation. And because it is the final check, it is also ignored if for some reason it is not available. In other words, it's "accuracy" if GPS is not used would degrade from 1 meter to 10-25 meters.

This is a silly claim, if anybody knows how the Tomahawk operates. GPS is only the 3rd level of navigation, and the system ignores it if it conflicts with the other 2. And the other 2 are purely internal, with absolutely no communication with the outside world. The Russians might as well claim they are going to jam my wrist watch or pocket calculator.

And we have thrown around so many Tomahawk missiles over the last 3 decades, I am sure that the Russians have had many of them in their hands over the years. This has not been "State of the art" technology since Reagan was in office.
 
Ultimately, none of this really matters. Because there is nothing really to be jammed.

Tomahawks navigate today the exact same way they did 35 years ago. By inertial navigation (INS). This is a box inside that tracks how far it has flown along a set course, and determines with it's internal map where it is in relation to the target. This is very proven, secure, bullet-proof technology that does not rely upon any kind of outside communication.

The secondary navigation system is visual (TERCOM - Terrain Contour Matching as well as DSMAC - Digitized Scene-Mapping Area Correlator), using the on-board camera to verify that the terrain under it is what it is expected to see. And the navigation is plotted based upon fixed landmarks. That is why they often fly right over or close to highways, and make turns at mountains and stream crossings. Physical landmarks are large, and impossible to move.

And finally, they use GPS. And yes, this is easily jammed. But the GPS in a Tomahawk is simply the final check made and used for terminal navigation. And because it is the final check, it is also ignored if for some reason it is not available. In other words, it's "accuracy" if GPS is not used would degrade from 1 meter to 10-25 meters.

This is a silly claim, if anybody knows how the Tomahawk operates. GPS is only the 3rd level of navigation, and the system ignores it if it conflicts with the other 2. And the other 2 are purely internal, with absolutely no communication with the outside world. The Russians might as well claim they are going to jam my wrist watch or pocket calculator.

And we have thrown around so many Tomahawk missiles over the last 3 decades, I am sure that the Russians have had many of them in their hands over the years. This has not been "State of the art" technology since Reagan was in office.

Thanks and I realize all of this which is why I considered the claim dubious.

But Russia has made fairly large strides in electronic/digital warfare which is very apparent in eastern Ukraine in particular and Ukraine in general.
 
Thanks and I realize all of this which is why I considered the claim dubious.

But Russia has made fairly large strides in electronic/digital warfare which is very apparent in eastern Ukraine in particular and Ukraine in general.

In this I readily agree. It is one off the reasons you see me highly discounting the advantages of drones in future combat operations against any enemy more advanced than say Somalia. Drones are good when the enemy has little to no real EW capability. But against an enemy with sophisticated EW capabilities, it is foolish to try and use them.

But it must be remembered, Tomahawks are not "drones". They do not rely upon 2-way communication to operate. They are literally stupid fire and forget suicide airplanes. You load in the target and how to get there, shoot it off, and away it goes. Not stopping or deviating until it reaches it's target or is shot down. No amount of jamming is going to effect these.

Now can the EW capabilities of Russia affect the use of drones, of course it can. Which is why I do not put much faith in them.
 
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