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China ‘ready to build bigger warships’ as first home-grown carrier starts sea trial

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China ?ready to build bigger warships? as first home-grown carrier starts sea trial | South China Morning Post

China is ready to build bigger warships, its naval shipyard said as the first domestically built aircraft carrier began a sea trial early on Sunday.
The new warship was a collaboration between civilian contractors and researchers and the defence industry, Hu Wenming, chairman of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, told state television on Sunday. He said more than 70 per cent of the companies involved in the warship project were from civilian sectors.
The new aircraft carrier left the shipyard in northeastern Dalian at 6.45am, Xinhua reported, sailing out of the port half an hour later in heavy fog to put its home-grown power and propulsion systems to the test at sea for the first time.
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China trying to build up a blue-water navy.
 
Great. Now they just need planes to put on it.
 
Harshaw said:
Great. Now they just need planes to put on it.
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..and develop ASM tech to protect them against subs. I'd bet dollars to donuts that if it came down to a shooting war between us and China, the Chinese Navy would last about 30 minutes against our subs.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
All ready have them in the J15, design is base on the Su 35
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Only a few (<20 or so total), and none have done more than carrier takeoff-and-landing tests. They already lost one to a crash.

One Nimitz-class typically carries about 40-50 F-18s, never mind the rest of the planes.
 
Harshaw said:
Only a few (<20 or so total), and none have done more than carrier takeoff-and-landing tests. They already lost one to a crash.

One Nimitz-class typically carries about 40-50 F-18s, never mind the rest of the planes.
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Which of course means they have the planes.

The two carriers they have at sea can not carry many, the third under construction if I recall correctly does not carry much more. The first one (former Soviet ship) is being regulated to a training vessel. Remember China just put their first carrier to sea just a few years ago. I believe the first two are about 60% of the displacement of the USN Ford Class
 
They'd better buy one of our old ones and reverse engineer it and scale it up, no way they have the ability to make such a complex craft that will undergo all that ours are capable of.
 
China isn't building up their navy to confront the U.S. directly. That bird has flown (long ago.)

This is about extending their regional power.

If they wanted to successfully confront the U.S. they'd need to skip ahead a weapons generation, not play catch-up.
 
Harshaw said:
A few, if they actually work for the purpose.
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With only 3 carriers either built or under construction, they do not currently need hundreds of them
 
Harshaw said:
But they will.
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Yes they will and given China's industrial capacity when they need them i am sure they can build them. They still need a higher quality fighter engine however
 
Not a big fan of the STOBAR ski-ramp deck.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
All ready have them in the J15, design is base on the Su 35
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The j11-15 were actually based off the su-27 which is the base platform of the su-35. China actually has su-35 jets in very limited numbers stripped for export(russia got mad over the j11 and 15 aircraft which was made from su-27 kits fitted with in house chinese engines and electronics, but was later illegally copied down to the frame and produced in china violating intellectual property rights). The issue with the su-27 platform is that even though they can easily rival or beat western platforms and for decades is still russias go to, it is very heavy and large.

The mig 29 is a similar design but much smaller, and their short take off would allow them to launch from even primitive carriers without a catapult, but mig 29's are limited in range and weapon capacity over the larger su-27 frame.
 
lefty louie said:
They'd better buy one of our old ones and reverse engineer it and scale it up, no way they have the ability to make such a complex craft that will undergo all that ours are capable of.
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They actually could make one like ours, but it would take decades to catch up as they have no experience building it and their base design is off a russian/soviet design. The flaw is the russians had no interest or need in developing aircraft carriers since the project force by land and like to keep their navy reach of ground launched aircraft. The russians had no interest to make it work beyond a novelty, however china given it's location would have much more interest and put forth actual effort into designing and building one, but they also lack any experience doing it and have no platforms to start with except for an old soviet novelty.


This means they have to start from scratch, and play a trial and error game until they get it right for the basic layout. America europe and even japan had them ironed out before ww2, the first aircraft carrier was in ww1 which was a simple merchant ship converted to a flat deck to launch aircraft, but western govts took until ww2 until the more modern layout we see now came about. Unless another country sells them a design for one or sells them one to reverse engineer, they will just end up with trial and error like every other nation who built them until they get it right.
 
China has a long ways to go before they are ready to have a navy that is more than an overpowered Coast Guard.

They have to develop and perfect UNREP, they have to start working on real fleet maneuvers, they have to develop the kind of fleet with their ships to make it operate in defense of the Cruiser-Carrier. They have to start operating the Cruiser-Carrier as such, something they have yet to do.

No, China has a long ways to go before even Japan would have to take the PLAN seriously. Probably at least 1, if not 2 decades.

They are trying to make a leap of almost 100 years in naval tactics and logistics in a single jump. That is simply not going to happen easily or painlessly.
 
You are correct in that China has to write it's own doctrine in order to operate it's vessels correctly and efficiently far from shore. China is building a LOT of ships, but training and manning them with experienced crews will take time.

You can see though, with the constant exercises that they are taking things very seriously and slowly building the foundations for a global navy. Bases now being built in Djibouti and Pakistan point to towards that ambition.

The Indians are already getting very nervous about Chinese intentions in the Indian Ocean, with more and more navy ships operating in India's back yard every year.

Japan takes the Chinese navy seriously right NOW, as the Chinese have demonstrated they are willing to face off and push for territorial claims, hence the building of the Izumo-class and scramble for F-35's.
 
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