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If The Draft Was Reinstated Would You Favor College Deferrments?

Tangmo said:
Given your thoughts about being off topic you might want to start a thread of your own.

I have made clear meanwhile and from the outset a couple of years ago I enjoyed a close relationship with my nco. I have cited three nco in my company as decisive factors in my time in 3 IR TOG at Ft. Myer. You missed it, ignored it, dismissed it, or don't care because it does not comport with your 2x4 mindset.

The first was an E-6 I met during my first year at uni rotc. The E-6 was in TOG, 3rd ptn of Honor Guard Company E (firing party). He was visiting an nco buddy who was regular army cadre at the uni rotc unit. He and I took a shine to each other and he interested me in TOG. After he completed OCS he went to the Nam with 82nd Airborne. He and the rotc cadre nco kept up with each other and when the time came I was invited to join TOG. The then capt Joe Kinzer advanced my name to the colonel, Joseph B. Conmy Jr who was born when his father was a company commander in TOG. So I was in. In fact what I was in was 3rd ptn Honor Guard Company E. When everybody thought I wasn't listening they called me Double Joe Junior -- or just Double Joe. Joe Kinzer retired several years ago as LTG commander of V Corps -- he the three-star and I remain in contact via The Old Guard Association of former members of all rank and periods. Joe is a master wit and story teller. He cracked us up several years ago when he was main speaker at a TOGA annual banquet at Ft. Myer when he revealed, "I finally figured out what holds the Old Guard together -- masking tape." We use masking tape for everything, from the drill team taping the bayonets to their rifles for double security to removing lint specs from uniforms.

SFC Dick Hughes of 2nd ptn (casket team) kicked ass before breakfast every day. If he didn't do that he'd be a really mean guy all day long instead of just plain tough. Dick Hughes was a demanding noc and everyone knew it. Still, when Dick Hughes liked your esprit de corps, your attitude, bearing, demeanor, performance, you were in. Dick Hughes had a lot of clout at battalion because he had a lot of respect. I met Dick again and in his retirement -- it was by happenstance 15 years later. He was on duty with the Capitol Building Police Force and I occasioned upon his duty station, in the Longworth House Office Building. It was a grand reunion.

My first ptn/sgt was SFC Dick McGinnis who his troops called the monk. Dick and I had an excellent relationship of mutual support and respect. Easily and quickly each could say anything to the other. Dick asked me one time if I knew why the troops called him "The Monk." Dick and I had easily got to the point one could say anything to other. So I advised him with tact that everyone thought he was isolated and apart from the mainstream of both the society on the outside and the military on the inside. I suggested the sense of the troops that Dick McGinnis was apart from everyone -- like alone and lonely. Dick was that way to his troops, yes, but with his officers he was a precious resource.

All three of 'em are right wingers btw. Really hard core right wingers. Joe Kinzer was one of a bunch of retired generals to endorse Trump during the campaign. In September when I saw Joe again at a TOGA reunion at Ft. Myer I asked him about the endorsement and how Joe might feel about it since. I can talk to these guys because they are my right wingers . We were all for Goldwater in '64 -- and so stunningly disappointed. So they can talk to me even though I turned colors to become the only acceptable lefty Stalinist-Maoist-Clintonista they know. Joe Kinzer said he had his serious doubts about Trump as CnC. I told Joe I thought there'd be a commanders' coup. Joe said it might be necessary. We drank to that.
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Cool story...

No one believes your borrowed valour.
 
Tangmo said:
Given your thoughts about being off topic you might want to start a thread of your own.

I have made clear meanwhile and from the outset a couple of years ago I enjoyed a close relationship with my nco. I have cited three nco in my company as decisive factors in my time in 3 IR TOG at Ft. Myer. You missed it, ignored it, dismissed it, or don't care because it does not comport with your 2x4 mindset.

The first was an E-6 I met during my first year at uni rotc. The E-6 was in TOG, 3rd ptn of Honor Guard Company E (firing party). He was visiting an nco buddy who was regular army cadre at the uni rotc unit. He and I took a shine to each other and he interested me in TOG. After he completed OCS he went to the Nam with 82nd Airborne. He and the rotc cadre nco kept up with each other and when the time came I was invited to join TOG. The then capt Joe Kinzer advanced my name to the colonel, Joseph B. Conmy Jr who was born when his father was a company commander in TOG. So I was in. In fact what I was in was 3rd ptn Honor Guard Company E. When everybody thought I wasn't listening they called me Double Joe Junior -- or just Double Joe. Joe Kinzer retired several years ago as LTG commander of V Corps -- he the three-star and I remain in contact via The Old Guard Association of former members of all rank and periods. Joe is a master wit and story teller. He cracked us up several years ago when he was main speaker at a TOGA annual banquet at Ft. Myer when he revealed, "I finally figured out what holds the Old Guard together -- masking tape." We use masking tape for everything, from the drill team taping the bayonets to their rifles for double security to removing lint specs from uniforms.

SFC Dick Hughes of 2nd ptn (casket team) kicked ass before breakfast every day. If he didn't do that he'd be a really mean guy all day long instead of just plain tough. Dick Hughes was a demanding noc and everyone knew it. Still, when Dick Hughes liked your esprit de corps, your attitude, bearing, demeanor, performance, you were in. Dick Hughes had a lot of clout at battalion because he had a lot of respect. I met Dick again and in his retirement -- it was by happenstance 15 years later. He was on duty with the Capitol Building Police Force and I occasioned upon his duty station, in the Longworth House Office Building. It was a grand reunion.

My first ptn/sgt was SFC Dick McGinnis who his troops called the monk. Dick and I had an excellent relationship of mutual support and respect. Easily and quickly each could say anything to the other. Dick asked me one time if I knew why the troops called him "The Monk." Dick and I had easily got to the point one could say anything to other. So I advised him with tact that everyone thought he was isolated and apart from the mainstream of both the society on the outside and the military on the inside. I suggested the sense of the troops that Dick McGinnis was apart from everyone -- like alone and lonely. Dick was that way to his troops, yes, but with his officers he was a precious resource.

All three of 'em are right wingers btw. Really hard core right wingers. Joe Kinzer was one of a bunch of retired generals to endorse Trump during the campaign. In September when I saw Joe again at a TOGA reunion at Ft. Myer I asked him about the endorsement and how Joe might feel about it since. I can talk to these guys because they are my right wingers . We were all for Goldwater in '64 -- and so stunningly disappointed. So they can talk to me even though I turned colors to become the only acceptable lefty Stalinist-Maoist-Clintonista they know. Joe Kinzer said he had his serious doubts about Trump as CnC. I told Joe I thought there'd be a commanders' coup. Joe said it might be necessary. We drank to that.
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Unfortunately for you it is way to late to start pretending that you have anything but hate for the US military NCO Corps. Anyone who has read more then a couple posts of yours has seen the disrespect and hatred you constantly express towards them. Trying to pretend otherwise at this point only continues to make you the same clown that typing things like youse and boyz makes you look like.

And you can keep typing up these long pointless off topic fairytales all you want, I don't believe a word of them.
 
Casper said:
If some is already enrolled at the time they are drafted they should get an exemption, until they graduated then they go serve.
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Anyone drafted while in college should be given the rotc option. If drafted as an underclass student, i.e., soph or frosh, entering rotc would be efficacious. The upperclass years of rotc provide the most focused and intensive education and training. That with the active duty 16 week basic officer training course does the trick anyway.

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Army Rotc cadets at Princeton learn battlefield tactics. Princeton Rotc dates its origin to 1865 and is one of four original modern Rotc programs since 1919. Army Chief of Staff General Mark A. Milley is Princeton class of 1980.


Four full years of rotc is best definitely but three years of it or the final two years can be sufficient. A commitment to OCS once on active duty might be required for the two year rotc cadets who would be drafted as underclass students and join rotc. The reason is that both the first two years of rotc and ocs focus on platoon and company weapons and tactics. So a college student drafted while enrolled and who joins rotc for the final two years gets education and training in battalion weapons, strategy, tactics; battalion and regiment operations to include staff officer and roles, duties, responsibilities; national security and strategy, global theater operations, strategy, interface and the like. So on graduation this two year only rotc cadet would need the ocs focus which is on platoon and company weapons and tactics (almost exclusively).

Officers must be college grads either way but they generally don't get get advanced military education and training, i.e., master degree level studies in military art and science until they're promoted to major (and while an ltc). It's a huge difference between a captain and a major, much the same as entering grad school is, but militarily so. There's the service war college, the National Defense University, command and general staff college and more. There could also be a return to the pre-WW II rotc, i.e., everyone in rotc is also enlisted as an E-3 and sworn in so that if you quit college you go right into active duty as EP. It also made rotc cadets subject to ucmj. We could call it all good training ha. Which it is anyway, no doubt of it.
 
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