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If The Draft Was Reinstated Would You Favor College Deferrments?

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For me attending college should not be a reason to not serve if called in the future.
 
rhinefire said:
For me attending college should not be a reason to not serve if called in the future.
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My youngest served so she could get a full ride to college. I think everyone should serve in some way.

Switzerland is a good model.
 
WCH said:
My youngest served so she could get a full ride to college. I think everyone should serve in some way.

Switzerland is a good model.
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I agree wholeheartedly, we have very nearly gotten ourselves a 'foreign legion.' If every family had some 'skin in the game', the powers that be would wield the spear in a much different manner, imo.
 
rhinefire said:
For me attending college should not be a reason to not serve if called in the future.
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During Vietnam over 90% of the Republicans that supported the war avoided the draft either by deferments, or joining the Nat. Guard. The Liberals fled to Canada, or used the defense of "conscientious objector"

When the invasion of Iraq came around over 90% of the Young Republicans that supported the war did not enlist.

For me it is no deferments, no excuse, and no war without a Constitutional declaration of war. In fact, I would support a mandatory two-three years military service for all able bodied men directly after graduation from HS.
 
Old Trapper said:
During Vietnam over 90% of the Republicans that supported the war avoided the draft either by deferments, or joining the Nat. Guard. The Liberals fled to Canada, or used the defense of "conscientious objector"

When the invasion of Iraq came around over 90% of the Young Republicans that supported the war did not enlist.

For me it is no deferments, no excuse, and no war without a Constitutional declaration of war. In fact, I would support a mandatory two-three years military service for all able bodied men directly after graduation from HS.
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source of your information?
 
There should never again be a draft. However if there was some sort of mandatory service requirement there should be no deferments.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
source of your information?
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Besides naming those like Trump, Cheney, Rumsfiled, Rove, Romney, Limbaugh, Bush, Crystal, Gingrich, Bolton, and the list goes on, and on. Here is an interesting article you should read. I long ago lost the articles from which I got the rest of the information:

https://www.e-ir.info/2014/10/07/the-chickenhawk-argument/

Absence of America's Upper Classes From the Military - ABC News

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/
 
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rhinefire said:
For me attending college should not be a reason to not serve if called in the future.
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I agree. I served in between high school and college and benefited from the GI Bill.
 
If The Draft Was Reinstated Would You Favor College Deferrments?
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i don't support reinstating the draft.
 
Old Trapper said:
Besides naming those like Trump, Cheney, Rumsfiled, Rove, Romney, Limbaugh, Bush, Crystal, Gingrich, Bolton, and the list goes on, and on. Here is an interesting article you should read. I long ago lost the articles from which I got the rest of the information:

https://www.e-ir.info/2014/10/07/the-chickenhawk-argument/

Absence of America's Upper Classes From the Military - ABC News

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/
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Just like Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Charles Schumer, Michael Bloomberg
and the list could go on and on....
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Just like Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Charles Schumer, Michael Bloomberg
and the list could go on and on....
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Save for Clinton who did support the Iraq invasion, all were opposed to the war in Vietnam. Big difference.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Just like Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Charles Schumer, Michael Bloomberg
and the list could go on and on....
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Which ones of those in your whataboutism list struts around banging the war drum?
Harry sure as Hell didn't, Bubba didn't, John Edwards, Chuck Schumer, Bloomberg?
Are you calling these guys hawks or warmongers?
And Joe has children who are serving right now, yes?

Sorry but the list of Republican chickenhawks is so long that it needs its own zip code.
Objectors aren't chickenhawks, they're antiwar. A chickenhawk is someone who has spent their entire life pretending to act like a war hawk but who bent over backward to duck out of service when their time came, and then returned to acting like a war hawk just the same. The biggest architects of our most recent wars have ALL BEEN CHICKENHAWKS.
 
Congressional declaration of war ONLY - no loopholes or workarounds.
If a UN action requires participation, again Congressional approval via declaration of war.
If you need to "invent a new type of declaration" specific to the UN then fine, but it must work on the same methodologies.

No AUMF's, no "police actions" and no "anything else". A limited strike is a limited strike but beyond that, are we going to war or are we not, plain and simple.

I don't know what to think about reinstating the draft.
It does change the way the military works, and I know people who served who think it's better and I know people who served who thought draftees "didn't pack the gear" the way an enlisted man does.

It's tough for me to denigrate those who were drafted though.
They did their duty.
 
Rexedgar said:
I agree wholeheartedly, we have very nearly gotten ourselves a 'foreign legion.' If every family had some 'skin in the game', the powers that be would wield the spear in a much different manner, imo.
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In what way do we have a foreign legion.
 
braindrain said:
In what way do we have a foreign legion.
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When I served in the mid 1970's many of the soldiers I ran into were from the mid to lower socio/economic scale. There was still a draft. Since 1973 the services have been all volunteer. From what I have read the quality of the troops has increased. The foreign legion comparison is more to describe the disconnect/remoteness from the general population. Deployments affect smaller and more spread out communities. My analogy is in no way casting the US military in a negative light, I just think as a population we are under represented in our military. Maybe a 'warrior class' is a better comparison than 'foreign legion.'
 
If the draft came back wages would go up.

that' s my guess.
 
Rexedgar said:
When I served in the mid 1970's many of the soldiers I ran into were from the mid to lower socio/economic scale. There was still a draft. Since 1973 the services have been all volunteer. From what I have read the quality of the troops has increased. The foreign legion comparison is more to describe the disconnect/remoteness from the general population. Deployments affect smaller and more spread out communities. My analogy is in no way casting the US military in a negative light, I just think as a population we are under represented in our military. Maybe a 'warrior class' is a better comparison than 'foreign legion.'
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I never thought you were saying anything negative about the military. Just didn't know what you meant. I would agree with you that when this country goes to war all Americans should feel it. Would limit how often we get involved in conflicts. Right now we have a very small percentage of Americans that going to war effects.
But I also don't want to serve with folks who have no desire to be there with me either.
 
braindrain said:
I never thought you were saying anything negative about the military. Just didn't know what you meant. I would agree with you that when this country goes to war all Americans should feel it. Would limit how often we get involved in conflicts. Right now we have a very small percentage of Americans that going to war effects.
But I also don't want to serve with folks who have no desire to be there with me either.
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If I remember those that don't want to be there will stick out. When I was at Ft.Bragg, I served with some 'professional soldiers.' One had just come from the German Army, another from the Polish Army. Their gig was to serve in elite units of as many nationalities as possible. IIRC you have some time in service/grade?
 
Rexedgar said:
If I remember those that don't want to be there will stick out. When I was at Ft.Bragg, I served with some 'professional soldiers.' One had just come from the German Army, another from the Polish Army. Their gig was to serve in elite units of as many nationalities as possible. IIRC you have some time in service/grade?
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You are right that they will stand out but that still doesn't mean you won't have to count on them to do their job. Even if it is just something like handling logistics I would rather have the guy or woman that volunteered for the job then one who was forced and is passed about it

I do. Currently at 12 years in.
 
braindrain said:
You are right that they will stand out but that still doesn't mean you won't have to count on them to do their job. Even if it is just something like handling logistics I would rather have the guy or woman that volunteered for the job then one who was forced and is passed about it

I do. Currently at 12 years in.
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It was difficult to pick out draftees in my hitch, maybe a little more attitude but we all got the job done. Didn't you used to have a HALO avatar?
 
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