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Trump might have given Syrian and Russian forces too much time to prepare for a strike, experts say

Risky Thicket said:
Do they practice contradicting, uninformed, ill-timed, and often incoherent Twitter foreign policy?
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You did not answer to my question. Why not?

Did you think it was funny at all that Trump tweets and Putin moves his Navy?

The God-Emperor is playing his music and the world is dancing to it.
 
code1211 said:
Based on his tweet, the Russians evacuated their fleet from Syria.
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We might assume it but we don't know it. What might we also assume Assad did as a result of Trump's telegraphing his war plans?


That THAT is Presidential power!
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That is a moron with a Twitter account and a nuclear football.

Power is neither good nor bad. It is how power is used or misused as the case may be. Power in the wrong hands is often disastrous.

 
Risky Thicket said:
We might assume it but we don't know it. What might we also assume Assad did as a result of Trump's telegraphing his war plans?




That is a moron with a Twitter account and a nuclear football.

Power is neither good nor bad. It is how power is used or misused as the case may be. Power in the wrong hands is often disastrous.

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Power is in the wrong hands all over the world.

There's a new Sheriff in town. The bad actors are starting to understand this.

 
code1211 said:
You did not answer to my question. Why not?
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Yes, I did. Trump practices Twitter foreign policy. To my knowledge May and Macron understand that foreign policy is a delicate art that must be taken seriously and that adult rules apply be necessity. How and/or if and when they notified Russia of their plans to participate in Trump's self-serving war action I do not know.

Did you think it was funny at all that Trump tweets and Putin moves his Navy?
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Do you know if Trump back channeled Russia? If so, when?

The God-Emperor is playing his music and the world is dancing to it.
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Why do you refer to Trump as the God-Emperor? I thought you were a Trump fan.
 
Grand Mal said:
So what was accomplished? Nada. The same as last year- big build-up, lots of self-congratulations after, nobody injured, everyone kiss your sisters. Trump actually said, "Mission accomplished!"
It's all just theatre.
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Maybe. But what would you like him to do? Assad will likely do it again. Tell me what Trump could do in response that you would support and defend.
 
Floridafan said:
He could have started by not opening his big mouth!
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Right, because if Trump hadnt tweeted, the Russians and the Syrians would have no way of knowing something was coming. Forget the fact that that the media has been broadcasting for days the movement of ships to the region, the consultations with allies and the endless speculation as to what the US response would be. The actual targets were never announced. They had no idea what was going to be targetted so they had no way to know what, if anything, to move
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is not Trumps fault that we did not have assets in place ready to strike because we had been focused on North Korea and because the Navy had to rededicate time to training because they had let training slip so much because we dont have the assets needed to cover the missions....the asset/mission mismatch has been building for more than a decade.
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Given that he's CIC, yes, it's his fault.
 
Fletch said:
Right, because if Trump hadnt tweeted, the Russians and the Syrians would have no way of knowing something was coming. Forget the fact that that the media has been broadcasting for days the movement of ships to the region, the consultations with allies and the endless speculation as to what the US response would be. The actual targets were never announced. They had no idea what was going to be targetted so they had no way to know what, if anything, to move
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Of course you remember just how angry Trump was when talking about how Obama telegraphed his moves in advance, something Trump assured he would never do.. Surely Trump would never do something like that.
 
Fletch said:
Maybe. But what would you like him to do? Assad will likely do it again. Tell me what Trump could do in response that you would support and defend.
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What should he do? I don't know- what's he trying to accomplish? If the point is to stop Assad from gassing people, well, this- a retaliatory airstrike- didn't work last year. Why would you expect a different result this time? If the purpose was to provoke Russia, it might have been successful. We'll have to wait and see. If the purpose was to deflect attention from domestic problems, I'd say it was a failure.
What do you think? What's the agenda, and how best to further it?
 
code1211 said:
Power is in the wrong hands all over the world.

There's a new Sheriff in town. The bad actors are starting to understand this.

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Damn, you guys love that phrase, don'tcha? I think the last time I heard it was last year when Trump destroyed an empty airfield in Syria. What was that about again? Oh yeah, that was supposed to stop Assad from using chemical weapons.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is not Trumps fault that we did not have assets in place ready to strike because we had been focused on North Korea and because the Navy had to rededicate time to training because they had let training slip so much because we dont have the assets needed to cover the missions....the asset/mission mismatch has been building for more than a decade.
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What has he done to the military? He **** that up too?

No resources available is bull****, at least two of his predecessors have bombed from US bases, boasting 'we can strike anywhere, any time'.

You don't have carriers anymore?

And if there were resources why'd he telegraph it four days in advance
 
Grand Mal said:
What should he do? I don't know- what's he trying to accomplish? If the point is to stop Assad from gassing people, well, this- a retaliatory airstrike- didn't work last year. Why would you expect a different result this time? If the purpose was to provoke Russia, it might have been successful. We'll have to wait and see. If the purpose was to deflect attention from domestic problems, I'd say it was a failure.
What do you think? What's the agenda, and how best to further it?
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Donald needs more "good' headlines.
 
Grand Mal said:
And maybe Theresa May does, too.
We'll see how it works out for them.
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Yeah, not looking good there either.

I had to look up who she is. We have all new leaders here, someone is the leader of the Conservatives, we know it is a man and that he wants to run on crime and punishment in a country with the lowest crime rate in the industrialized world.
Then there are all these cabinet members, and so many women and Harper never let his ministers talk, so I'm not up on ...but I have a feeling the era of the "conservative" is coming to an end.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, I did. Trump practices Twitter foreign policy. To my knowledge May and Macron understand that foreign policy is a delicate art that must be taken seriously and that adult rules apply be necessity. How and/or if and when they notified Russia of their plans to participate in Trump's self-serving war action I do not know.



Do you know if Trump back channeled Russia? If so, when?



Why do you refer to Trump as the God-Emperor? I thought you were a Trump fan.
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I am a fan of Trumps results. I like people who decide what needs to be done and that then go ahead and do it.

I'm not a fan of those that say one thing and then do the opposite.

Communication style means little or nothing to my understanding of messages. I was earning a couple Liberal Arts Degrees while working as a Teamster years ago and discovered that a profanity laced direct comment was often more clear and direct than a Shakespeare Sonnet. I prefer the direct comment on some occasions and the Sonnet on others.

I would certainly hope that Trump was using ALL of the communication devices available to him to avoid war with the Russians. Whatever form of communication was used, Trump is clearly holding the winning hand in any conflict. He and everyone else knows it.

I think the saying goes, you can't win the race if you ain't got the horse. Trump has the horse. Every US President since Wilson has had the horse. Some lack the balls.

Being amused by someone and disliking them are not the same thing. Trump is right now the Greatest Show on Earth. He's the Mohammad Ali of politics.

He just keeps winning and just keeps driving his opponents nuts.

How's your 401K doing?

In passing, Trump talks like a jerk and when he sees a bully killing women and children he steps in and stops the bully. He's as direct as a punch in the nose.

Obama talks like a humanitarian and when he sees a bully killing women and children he attends a fund raiser. Red line in words, but not in deeds.

I prefer the change from Obama to Trump. Others do not.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Authoritative people impress you?
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When an authoritative person is demanded by the situation, yes.

Are you one of those people who wants people who hold the authority to act as if they hold no authority?
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn, you guys love that phrase, don'tcha? I think the last time I heard it was last year when Trump destroyed an empty airfield in Syria. What was that about again? Oh yeah, that was supposed to stop Assad from using chemical weapons.
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Well, Pilgrim, he was blowing up the planes that weren't there that were delivering the Chemical weapons that Kerry assured us were not there and that never would be there.

Diplomacy is an interesting dance of the seven veils.

Kerry preferred to use about a thousand words where 280 would have done the job. Trump is less wordy than Kerry.

Do you think that Assad is contemplating what the next target(s) might be? Maybe arranging for a secure spider hole?
 
code1211 said:
Do you think that Assad is contemplating what the next target(s) might be? Maybe arranging for a secure spider hole?
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Assad is putting his CW elements back in place. No valuable equipment was destroyed (Assad had a week to move such things) and no CW program chemists were killed.

The strike was window dressing by Trump and Putin. A few buildings were leveled. Big deal. Putin has leveled entire cities without a peep from Trump/May/Macron.

All that remains is for Putin to decide his response. Level more rebel-held cities? Make it so bad Syrian refugees are flocking to Europe again? Turn up the heat in eastern Ukraine?

Putin has many options.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Assad is putting his CW elements back in place. No valuable equipment was destroyed (Assad had a week to move such things) and no CW program chemists were killed.

The strike was window dressing by Trump and Putin. A few buildings were leveled. Big deal. Putin has leveled entire cities without a peep from Trump/May/Macron.

All that remains is for Putin to decide his response. Level more rebel-held cities? Make it so bad Syrian refugees are flocking to Europe again? Turn up the heat in eastern Ukraine?

Putin has many options.
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You're probably right. Trump should have used the Obama approach. It worked for Obama during the Benghazi massacre.

Step 1: Hear about what's going on.

Step 2: Hide under your bed and wet your pants.

Step 3: Attend a fund raiser.

Yep! That's the ticket!
 
Floridafan said:
There is absolutely no excuse for trump to open his big mouth and say anything. Ever hear of "walk softly and carry a big stick". He gave them plenty of time to move weapons elsewhere
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You mean no excuse except for the standing agreement between the US AND Russia to notify each other prior to carrying out such strikes in the hope to not escalate things further? You meant no excuse other then that right.
You should research this topic a bit more. Maybe you could tell us how long that agreement had been in place.
 
Statement by France regarding the Assad attack on Douma.

SEVERAL LETHAL CHEMICAL ATTACKS TOOK PLACE IN THE TOWN OF DOUMA IN THE LATE AFTERNOON OF SATURDAY,7 APRIL 2018, AND WE ASSESS WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WERE CARRIED OUT BY THE SYRIAN REGIME.

1. – Several chemical attacks took place at Douma on 7 April 2018. - Suffocation, asphyxia or breathing difficulties, - Mentions of a strong chlorine odour and presence of green smoke in affected areas, - Hypersalivation and hypersecretions (particularly oral and nasal), - Cyanosis, - Skin burns and corneal burns. No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible. All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid. Furthermore, the apparent use of bronchodilators by the medical services observed in videos reinforces the hypothesis of intoxication by choking agents.

2. – Given in particular ongoing military operations in Eastern Ghouta around 7 April, we assess witha high degree of confidence that the Syrian regime holds responsibility. Reliable intelligence indicates that Syrian military officials have coordinated what appears to be the use of chemical weapons containing chlorine on Douma, on April 7.
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French Declassified Intelligence Report Claiming Assad Behind Syria Gas Attacks
 
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