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Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says[W:46]

It's also provocative to fly a spy plane close to somebody's back yard. If you don't want provocative interceptions, then dont provoke them first by flying your spy planes close to their territory. It's that simple.


What is simple is so simple it needs to be stated in super simple terms because it is almost always ignored. USA are the good guys and Russia are the bad guys. USA are the good guys and CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are the bad guys. Same relative to Iran and NK among a few others.

Pentagon in 2015 ended more than 15 years of strategic ambiguity when it identified Russia as strategic enemy number one, CCP Boyz in Beijing as number two, Iran as number three to include also a few gone astray others such as Venezuela which is hosting Russia and China.


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A Russian TU-95 bomber flies through airspace northwest of Okinoshima island, Fukuoka prefecture in the southern island of Kyushu, Japan, August 22, 2013. Russia has flown similar bombers near the Alaskan coast recently.


Japan is a lot closer to Russia than the USA is, so Russia buzzes Japan and roams its near seas and territorial waters to get the attention of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force. Beijing is flying bomber circles around Taiwan since the people elected a president and parliament controlled by the independence party in 2015. Putin sends his bombers close to Alaska which is more convenient to him than to send 'em across the Atlantic which Putin would do if he could. Nato nations are right there at the Russia border which is btw why Nato exists as a defensive alliance since 1949 and it is why decidedly there is a European Union rather than a Federation of Russian European Republics.


WHY IS RUSSIA FLYING NUCLEAR-CAPABLE BOMBERS NEAR ALASKA?

Gareth Jennings, aviation desk editor at U.K.-based specialist military publication IHS Jane’s, says that such flights have both military and political benefits for Russia. Long-range bomber pilots see “training value” in the activity he says. “Part of that training benefit will include real-world experience of encountering and dealing with NATO fighter aircraft,” he says. However, as the largest country in the world, “Russia has plenty of airspace within its own borders for that,” if training was the sole consideration.

The pattern of flight frequency also fits Russia’s increased international ambitions too, Jennings notes. “After having effectively ended after the Cold War, Russian long-range aviation patrols, including bombers, tankers, airborne early warning aircraft, and long-range fighters, were resumed by Putin as far back as 2007, as a means of showing that Russia was back on the world stage,” Jennings says.

Since increase in tensions around the Ukraine conflict in 2014 Russia’s so-called “patrol flights” have increased on many fronts, especially near European allied airspace, particularly over the Baltic Sea.

“For a while they continued at a somewhat infrequent pace, until relations between the West and Russia broke down in 2014 over Putin’s invasion and annexation of Crimea, and his continued interference in eastern Ukraine,” Jennings says. “They are an easy and relatively safe way of Putin showing his resolve and flexing his military muscles to the West.” Jennings notes that Russia’s flights have remained in international airspace and there is little chance of them overflying NATO territory—a move that could legitimately be considered aggressive if not sanctioned.

“That said, [the Russian flights] do pose a danger to commercial aviation given that they often do not fly with transponders that would allow air traffic control to locate and identify them—a lot of their aircraft are so old that they are not even equipped with them. There have been reports of their pilots flying too close to NATO jets that are shadowing them and in a dangerous fashion,” says Jennings.

“It seems that so long as the current political situation between the West and Russia exists, these long-range Russian flights will continue,” he concludes.


Why Is Russia Flying Nuclear-Capable Bombers Near Alaska?


What's simple is simple, yes. Trouble is it's never that simple.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Well, put it this way. What if it was Little Kim's plane? Do you think Trump would react the same? (That is to say, not react at all.)

Obama is a bitch all around but nice try at diversion.

Me pointing out that Trump appears to have, like, a gay relationship with Putin where Russia can do no wrong, (which EVERYONE can clearly see,) makes ME a "sad partisan hack?"

I think that says more about you than it says about me but I digress.

So. That's your plan? Go for the "divert and insult" tactic on the discussion? Man, you ain't even original. Do you guys go to the same training classes or what?

Yawn.

So you agree that Obama was Putin's little bitch. OK that was all I asked. Really don't care about the rest of your ramblings.
I am no fan of Trump, didn't vote for him and can honestly say I am rather embarrassed that he is our president. All the same it's pathetic watching all the Trump haters engaging in ridiculous hypocrisy over him. It wasn't that long ago those same people who now act like Russia is the devil incarnat who were laughing at Romney for calling them our biggest threat. Or those on here calling Trump Putin's bitch but never said a word or worse defended Obama for not doing anything when Russia did the same crap when he was president.

I know some people have no issues with throwing away their integrity. Others not so much.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

So you agree that Obama was Putin's little bitch. OK that was all I asked. Really don't care about the rest of your ramblings.
I am no fan of Trump, didn't vote for him and can honestly say I am rather embarrassed that he is our president. All the same it's pathetic watching all the Trump haters engaging in ridiculous hypocrisy over him. It wasn't that long ago those same people who now act like Russia is the devil incarnat who were laughing at Romney for calling them our biggest threat. Or those on here calling Trump Putin's bitch but never said a word or worse defended Obama for not doing anything when Russia did the same crap when he was president.

I know some people have no issues with throwing away their integrity. Others not so much.

Well, NOW it sounds like we're on the same page.

Let's start over.

Have a great day.

(BTW... Obama is Michelle's bitch too. She looks like she could hurt a fella. LOL!)
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Well, NOW it sounds like we're on the same page.

Let's start over.

Have a great day.

(BTW... Obama is Michelle's bitch too. She looks like she could hurt a fella. LOL!)

You have a great day to.
 
It's also provocative to fly a spy plane close to somebody's back yard. If you don't want provocative interceptions, then dont provoke them first by flying your spy planes close to their territory. It's that simple.

The US Navy plane was in international airspace over the Black Sea.

Cite me the relevant law that prohibits the transit of craft in international airspace or on international waters.

Didn't think so.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Tangmo

Yes, I'm well aware that most if not all governments spend time with propaganda. As a civilian, my guess is that many of the posts on the internet are made by individuals getting paid to do so. Just a hunch, but likely.

And speaking of 50-50 chances, that applies to the Donald Cook incident. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. But if it did, it sure is interesting. If it did not happen, not much to talk about, eh?
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Tangmo

Yes, I'm well aware that most if not all governments spend time with propaganda. As a civilian, my guess is that many of the posts on the internet are made by individuals getting paid to do so. Just a hunch, but likely.

And speaking of 50-50 chances, that applies to the Donald Cook incident. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. But if it did, it sure is interesting. If it did not happen, not much to talk about, eh?

Not much to talk about period thx.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

. It wasn't that long ago those same people who now act like Russia is the devil incarnat who were laughing at Romney for calling them our biggest threat.

It was right to laugh at Romney for saying this in 2012. A lot has changed since 2012. Geopolitics is under constant flux. Similarly, in 2012 if someone had said Turkey is not an important and close ally would have been laughed off. Today, there would be an awkward silence at best. In 2012, if someone had said we would be alienating and antagonizing Germany and France, they would have been laughed off. Today... awkward silence.
 
The US Navy plane was in international airspace over the Black Sea.

Cite me the relevant law that prohibits the transit of craft in international airspace or on international waters.

Didn't think so.

Where did I say it was against the law with what we're doing? Try again. And with less strawmen this time.
 
Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says




A dangerous and provocative maneuver like this isn't ventured without express permission from the Kremlin.

I wonder if Trump would be so quiet and accommodating of a North Korean fighter plane had so recklessly endangered the lives of USAF personnel over international waters.

Related: BBC - Russian SU-27 warplane 'flew 1.5 metres' from US spy plane

Common. You fly military jets long enough, you will eventually be involved in one of these. Very few of these ever make it into the media.
 
Where did I say it was against the law with what we're doing? Try again. And with less strawmen this time.

Then don't make it sound illegal in the first place.
 
Common. You fly military jets long enough, you will eventually be involved in one of these. Very few of these ever make it into the media.

Very few Russkie jets ever get within 1.5 meters like this one, and then get in front of the Navy prop plane and go to afterburners.

Very dangerous and unprofessional ****
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

A dangerous and provocative maneuver like this isn't ventured without express permission from the Kremlin.

Too bad the US military never reports the number of times it engages in dangerous and provocative maneuvers.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

It was right to laugh at Romney for saying this in 2012. A lot has changed since 2012. Geopolitics is under constant flux. Similarly, in 2012 if someone had said Turkey is not an important and close ally would have been laughed off. Today, there would be an awkward silence at best. In 2012, if someone had said we would be alienating and antagonizing Germany and France, they would have been laughed off. Today... awkward silence.

Any one who was so sorry sighted that in 2012 they couldn't see the threat that Russia posed was clueless. Tell me what has changed so drastically with Russia in the 4 years between 2012 and 2016.
Because by 2012 Russia was already well underway in modernizing and increasing their military and had all ready started threatening and invading their neighbors.

Only people will zero clue as to the world around them didn't see the threat Russia posed.

But thanks for proving my point.
 
Very few Russkie jets ever get within 1.5 meters like this one, and then get in front of the Navy prop plane and go to afterburners.

Very dangerous and unprofessional ****
I would l;ove it if next time they pull a stunt like this that 2 F-16's were up his arse showing him the way home.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Too bad the US military never reports the number of times it engages in dangerous and provocative maneuvers.


We all rely on Russian state media and their sockpuppets to do that. Such as for instance the USS Cook fairy tale cooked up as a pseudo operation by Putin's Boyz in the Kremlin, defense ministry and Russian media and their sockpuppets. U.S. and Nato policy is to operate safely, professionally and with restraint when approached by Crazy Ivan in his planes and ships.
 
Re: Russian jet flies within 5 feet of US Navy plane, Pentagon says

Too bad the Russkies never seem to have video of such "dangerous and provocative US maneuvers".

They do, but US Media doesn't air them.
 
So you want to compare an accident to an intentional act.

The two murderers were dismissed from the military. Typical US justice.

Even with such a heinous crimes, the US still manages to get in some propaganda - "Later they were found guilty of obstruction of justice and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.

US military, "gentlemen"? ask the tens of millions that these folks have slaughtered.

The Cavalese cable car disaster of 1998, also called the Strage del Cermis ("Massacre at Cermis") occurred on 3 February 1998, near the Italian town of Cavalese, a ski resort in the Dolomites some 40 km (25 mi) northeast of Trento. Twenty people died when a United States Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler aircraft, while flying too low, against regulations, in order for the pilots to "have fun" and "take videos of the scenery", cut a cable supporting a gondola of an aerial tramway. The pilot, Captain Richard J. Ashby, and his navigator, Captain Joseph Schweitzer, were put on trial in the United States and were found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and negligent homicide. Later they were found guilty of obstruction of justice and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman for having destroyed a videotape recorded from the plane and were dismissed from the Marine Corps.[1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1998)
 
The two murderers were dismissed from the military. Typical US justice.

Even with such a heinous crimes, the US still manages to get in some propaganda - "Later they were found guilty of obstruction of justice and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.

US military, "gentlemen"? ask the tens of millions that these folks have slaughtered.
OH look Camlok doesn't know what the word murder means. How unsurprising.
 
Very few Russkie jets ever get within 1.5 meters like this one, and then get in front of the Navy prop plane and go to afterburners.

Very dangerous and unprofessional ****

This has been happening for years. You're only worried about it now because "Truuuuump!"

Russian attack jets repeatedly buzz U.S. Navy warship in Baltic Sea

Intent of Russian military aircraft near U.S. shores remains unclear

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-why-the-navy-didn-t-shoot-down-russian-jets/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-flyby-uss-donald-cook-baltic-sea-alarms-experts-n555921

You weren't trippin when Obama was the prez.
 
I would l;ove it if next time they pull a stunt like this that 2 F-16's were up his arse showing him the way home.

I would love to see our zoomies splash a couple of them.
 
Then don't make it sound illegal in the first place.

I never said it was so stop lying. You made a claim it was provocative and I countered that we provoked them first since it was our spy plane flying close to their territory. Reading comprehension 101.
 
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