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How do you fight a war against a nuclear super power AS a nuclear super power?

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This is just a thought experiment. But it is one that I’m sure is had constantly by our military. But the question is...is it even possible? Realistically speaking? I don’t think so. I mean there are first strike options, but the risks are astronomically high. And you can’t really get into a direct engagement for the same reason. Even a shooting war would unlikely to not see the use of nuclear weapons.

So if you eliminate nuclear weapons as an option? How do you fight?


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By using other countries as pieces on a chess board. The Cold War is about what I would expect from WW3, if it were to begin. Kim Jung Un is a bit of a wild card, but I suspect that a war between Amrica and either Russia or China would be fought in the Middle East and various parts of Southeast Asia.
 
The answer to your question is dependant on at least two things which you have not properly defined. One is why you wish to fight the war (goals) and the other is what actions you consider to be military actions and therefore acts of war (methods). These two dimensions are important because they define a military power's actions and allow us to hopefully differentiate between acts of war and acts of peaceful competition.

So having put those two caveats out there and assuming that there is no defined line between war and peace for our rival powers, the best way to fight a war between two nuclear armed powers which have the capacity to fully annihilate each other in a thermonuclear exchange is to destroy your rival from within. Economic warfare, imposing costs and stresses on your rival's society, arms and technology races to waste scarce resources and impoverish the rival state and its people, proxy wars to drain a more of a rival's wealth, terrorism to do the same and to spread suspicion and revolt against authoritarianism in the rival's society, espionage and sabotage by deniable means to learn vital military secrets and to impose security costs and to damage key infrastructure (both real and virtual), propaganda to weaken the social fabric and societal cohesion of your rival state, exploiting pre-existing social divisions in a rival's society, etc. These are all on the table. So is using international financial and political systems to weaken a rival, interdicting or inhibiting commerce and trade by political and legal (lawfare) means, using national and international media to discredit and demonise a rival, and many other strategies and tactics.

Unfortunately your rival can be expected to do the same to you, so such a blurring of the lines between peace and war creates a forever-pseudowar which not only destroys your rival's society but also transmogrifies your own into a monstrous military dominated and authoritarian leviathan. War or pseudowar requires that concepts like liberty, freedom, free will, free speech, individualism, privacy, free thought, dissent, protest, justice, truth and reality and democracy itself be suppressed while notions like nationalism, sacrifice, obedience to hierarchy, authoritarianism, duty to the collective, suspicion, hate of the other, secrecy, surveillance, subterfuge, militarism, and ultimately arbitrary and largely unanswerable power of the militarised state be promoted. These may be too high a spectrum of costs to pay for winning a pseudo-war with a rival nuclear power. If so then a better strategy is to not fight such pseudowars and if such forever-pseudowar is thrust upon you then to publicise it to all in the international community so that all states can see what is going on rather than secretly waging back such bilateral pseudowar at the rival on your own.

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This is just a thought experiment. But it is one that I’m sure is had constantly by our military. But the question is...is it even possible? Realistically speaking? I don’t think so. I mean there are first strike options, but the risks are astronomically high. And you can’t really get into a direct engagement for the same reason. Even a shooting war would unlikely to not see the use of nuclear weapons.

So if you eliminate nuclear weapons as an option? How do you fight?


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Nuclear superpowers rarely get into direct conflict of any sort, it ends up being proxy war, look at the cold war, every country the us meddled in russia funded the opposition, and vice versa, neither side was willing to allow direct war as it would end up as nuclear war, while fighting proxy wars over influence and economics bypassed direct fighting.
 
Nuclear superpowers rarely get into direct conflict of any sort, it ends up being proxy war, look at the cold war, every country the us meddled in russia funded the opposition, and vice versa, neither side was willing to allow direct war as it would end up as nuclear war, while fighting proxy wars over influence and economics bypassed direct fighting.

the rhetoric emanating from America says otherwise Both Russia and China said if North Korea attacks America they won't intervene but if America strikes first both Russia and China said they would intervene .... the lesson is you don't play ... at this moment in time the biggest belligerent is America it is willing and has used islamist and neo nazis to topple governments that don't follow the US unipolar model ..... Europe is getting fed up with America's and Trump's antics .. your even annoying the UK not that the UK will remain united for long
 
This is just a thought experiment. But it is one that I’m sure is had constantly by our military. But the question is...is it even possible? Realistically speaking? I don’t think so. I mean there are first strike options, but the risks are astronomically high. And you can’t really get into a direct engagement for the same reason. Even a shooting war would unlikely to not see the use of nuclear weapons.

So if you eliminate nuclear weapons as an option? How do you fight?


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Any Nuclear War in the free world is a simple loose - loose situation.

Country #1 fires their nukes - then Country #2 fires theirs ; which equals a devastated and inhabitable land. Nukes destroy everything, and the lingering radiation would kill everything else downwind. Mushroom cloud - what goes up must come down !

The exception is some terrorist , walking down a street in Washington, DC ; and decides to set down on some bench while wearing a portable nuke in a backpack ; or carrying a portable nuke in a medium sized briefcase. Kill thousands , if not millions of Americans.....AND start a nuclear war.

Nuclear warfare does not have to come in the form of nuclear missiles being launched.





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You don't. Instead, you wage a bunch of proxy wars. Basically what happened in the cold war.
 
Or also simply do not use nukes.

Even in Total Wars like WWII, countries held back from using their most destructive weapons. Because they all knew that if one side used them, the other side would as well.

Which kept both sides from using chemical and biological weapons for most of WWII (Japan in China and Germany on it's own citizens and civilians in conquered territories being the main exceptions)..
 
Computer viruses and A.I.
 
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