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Russia gained a 'treasure trove' of intelligence on the US's best fighter jets in Syria

I am not sure they were worried about gaining much, currently russia has more advanced operating jets than america does and it will likely remain that way until the f-35 becomes fully operational. However russia despite have more advanced jets than us rarely ever uses them, most of their fleet is post cold war jets that are mods of cold war jets, I guess they could design a jet that made to combat anything we threw at them, then ran their budget and asked if their old mig 15's could still fly.

The plus for russians is the f-22 can surcice russian anti aircraft systems, which means more knowledge to improve them. The plus for americans is we get to see post soviet military deployments, reality is the russian military has modernized since the soviet union, and our countries knowledge of their warfare was based off of soviet tactics, syria gave the first glimpse of how they changed their tactics and deployments post soviet union.

All our newest and best fighters will be pilotless and we are miles ahead of Russia in that area. We also know better than to still be using twin engined fighters. Twice the maintenance and twice the down time makes them obsolete.
 
Not trying to be rude, but the above is what is known as 'whataboutism' ... a tactic to divert threads.

You're a member here. If you wish to discuss US weapons usage simply create a thread on the topic rather than hijack mine.

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RV

I disagree that "whataboutism" is a tactic to divert threads. It is a tactic to add perspective and thereby broaden threads, a positive contribution (usually) to rational public dialogue.
 
Generally the su-35, which is more advanced in many areas than the f-22 but lagging behind the f-22 in other areas. Russia also has the t-50 which is still in test phase. Russias radar systems are both superior and inferior to ours as well, they also use frequency jamming in their newer jets and their newer jets have better maneuverability.

America pretty much put air superiority as a low priority since the cold war ended, focusing on wars in the middle east instead. The closest in normal production runs of us aircraft that can match russias is the f-22, which is numbered less than 200 and productiion ended due to very high costs. The f-35 has not hit any full production yet, while the su35 is already deployed in syria. With trying to flex our muscle at russia I figure in the next decade we will modernize our fighter jet fleet, which should not be hard, it took russia decades to beat our aircraft after we put fighter jets as low priority.

Let me start this by stating that I am by no means an expert on airplane but only someone who finds them interest. So I do a fair amount of reading on the subject.

That said in what ways is the SU 35 more advanced. From everything that I have read about the only area the SU has any advantage is in its turning ability. Which most of that advantage goes away when the SU has a full combat load due to the drag created by having to hang all its missiles out in the air. A problem the F22 doesn't have. The F22 is faster can accelerate better has at least as good if not better radar and of course has stealth. Just don't see what makes the SU more advanced in any real way then a F22.

As to the T50 they haven't even put the engines they actually intend to use in one of them yet let alone tested them. Even with that every thing I have read states that when completed at best it will be a close match to a F22. And due to its huge cost it is doubtful Russia will be able to buy more then a very limited number unless they can get some foreign buyers to help off set the cost.
And we already have operational F35s deployed to various parts of the world that has many advancements that neither the F22 or most likely the SU will have.
Sorry but I am just not seeing what Russian fighters are more advanced in any real meaningful way over US fighters.
 
Let me start this by stating that I am by no means an expert on airplane but only someone who finds them interest. So I do a fair amount of reading on the subject.

That said in what ways is the SU 35 more advanced. From everything that I have read about the only area the SU has any advantage is in its turning ability. Which most of that advantage goes away when the SU has a full combat load due to the drag created by having to hang all its missiles out in the air. A problem the F22 doesn't have. The F22 is faster can accelerate better has at least as good if not better radar and of course has stealth. Just don't see what makes the SU more advanced in any real way then a F22.

As to the T50 they haven't even put the engines they actually intend to use in one of them yet let alone tested them. Even with that every thing I have read states that when completed at best it will be a close match to a F22. And due to its huge cost it is doubtful Russia will be able to buy more then a very limited number unless they can get some foreign buyers to help off set the cost.
And we already have operational F35s deployed to various parts of the world that has many advancements that neither the F22 or most likely the SU will have.
Sorry but I am just not seeing what Russian fighters are more advanced in any real meaningful way over US fighters.

The speed difference is a joke, 1500 mph vs 1491 mph, literally 9 mph, not rally a winner there for either side. On the radar the su35 uses multiple systems, as well as target systems on the the tail of the plain allowing it to hold target during maneuvers, and also has a helmet mounted hud targeting system, which allows them to target other jets during maneuvers, the f-35 has it but the f-22 does not, and russia has had that for quite a while. Russia uses 3d thrust vectoring which is more maneuverable even fully loaded, and also has a failsafe for thrust vectoring, which is something they felt the f-22 lacked and saw it as a major flaw.

The su-35 has far better close and mid range radar as well as the ability to detect stealth aircraft(albeit very limited angle meaning they need to know the direction or be lucky) while the f-22 has better long range radar. The su-35 is technichally a stealth fighter nbut is not listed as one, as it barely meets that threshold, while the f-22 is full stealth. This however in an air superiority battle means little as the f-22 would have to rely entirely on stealth as many to most simulated models show the f-22 losing in a dogfight to a su-35, meaning it has to end the fight before it begins to hold an advantage ie sneak attacks.

The f-22 I could not find any concrete evidence on cost, because my research shows 250-350 million per jet, pretty much one of if not the most expensive jet in the world. The su-35 is estimated at around 40-85 million per jet. The su-35 also has frequency jamming which jacks up but does not stop americas frequency hop system, making targeting of russian aircraft unstable and unreliable.

On the f-35 that would lose in a heartbeat in a dogfight to the su-35 or even the su-27 maybe even a mig 15, the f-35 is not an air superiority fighter, it is a multi role fighter, while the f-22 is an air superiority fighter, hence the comparison to the f22 is more fair vs the su35 and the t-50/su57 since russia does not have an equivilent to the f-35 and looks like they will stay with independant specialized systems for now. Also I do not consider the f-35 as operational even though the armed forces ordered them, as they have not seen combat yet and until very recently have been hanger queens, and it looks like israel will be the first to use them in normal missions, I really think with all the setbacks of the f-35 developement the military is slow rolling them into use to find any bugs before they see combat.
 
All our newest and best fighters will be pilotless and we are miles ahead of Russia in that area. We also know better than to still be using twin engined fighters. Twice the maintenance and twice the down time makes them obsolete.

In terms of drones yes we are ahead of russia by far, In terms of the f-35 the jet is technologically superior to was russia has but I do not consider it fully operational even though they are in military units. However the f-35 being technologically superior does not make it a superior fighter, as in simulations the f-35 did poorly in air superiority as that was never the jets role, it was a multi purpose fighter not air superiority.

On single engine jets, the navy disagrees,one of their big objections to the f-35 was the lack of twin engines, because a twin engine jet could function if one engine went out, but a single engine jet lacks redundancy. despite that the f-22 has twin engines, as do the russian jets, and the russian su-35 has a longer range than the f-35 but a shorter max altitude.
 
No kidding. That is not coincidental either. It is just another of Putin's wishes that Trump made come true. He's a regular genie at granting Putin's wishes.

Russia has been learning about the F-22 when they were first used to intercept their bombers offshore.

And they have been in operational use in Syria since 2014. For 3 years the Russians have been studying them, and nobody cared. And it was President Obama that first sent them there and had them put into service.

But suddenly after less than a year people are screaming it's all Trump's fault.

Smack my head, can nobody read a calendar? I think they already had a good idea of what they were capable of even before Trump started to run for office.
 
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