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Best CCW Weapon?

Whats your CCW choice

  • Revolver

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • Semi Auto

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • other

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
I like Revolver as a CCW, I know rounds rounds rounds.... But I'll take shot placement over 15 rounds any day. I've been a victim of a mugging, and been jumped a few times. It never happens from 20 feet away its always from behind or turning a corner within 5 feet. Semi Autos are great but I read a story a man was attacked from behind he was carrying groceries.

The perp put a knife to his back, he had a gun in his waistband, he spun around dropped his groceries and pulled his gun and fired, however he was to close and ended up out of breach. ( the gun didn't eject the spent round ) and therefore couldn't fire again. He said the bullet hit him somewhere near his shoulder. He explains after the gun didn't fire he was screwed and had to use his left hand to grab the perps knife hand so here he was holding the guys knife from stabbing him, and holding his weapon out of breach.

He goes on to say another perp came and they stabbed him 14 times in the stomach and lower legs, he said he would have died of blood loss if his neighbor didn't run out with a lamp cord he ripped off to tie off his artery. Had he had a Revolver none of this would have happened!

So I am NOT saying Revolvers don't have issues, but what say you?


The problem with the story in question is technique rather than hardware.

If his weapon got knocked out of battery, it must have been a contact shot.

If he was that close, he should have been firing from a retention lock position which would probably have avoided the issue, by avoiding muzzle contact.

Also if there's a 2nd attacker you don't see until he's on you, that's an awareness problem.



As for revolver vs auto, carry what suits your method and what you shoot well with.
 
Yeah, Chicago doesn't allow for laser sights. One of them "common sense gun laws" they got on the books. Must be afraid the dumbasses might actually hit their intended target instead of the 5 year old next'em. (and it has a mag cap of 10 so no +1 in the chamber)

Actually the laser doesn't prevent poor (stressed) shooting skills from throwing bullets around, they don't 'mark' the target like a military laser does for a smart bomb... ;)

It would be ahhh a bit dicey to shoot a bad guy with your pistol while the bad guy is standing close to a 5 year old, so what distance are you talking about?

I do like lasers to help figure out what poor techniques a shooter is using, such as tightening up while pulling the trigger and dropping the POI. Standing right behind the student like a baseball umpire can do that if the 'umpire' has some training. But under 21 feet I'm not so sure they are that big an aid real world.

But they are sure have a high LCCDI factor (Looks Cool and Chicks Dig It) on the local pistol range... :peace
 
I usually carry a Glock 27. Occasionally...depending on circumstance...a few others. But standard is the Glock.
 
Actually the laser doesn't prevent poor (stressed) shooting skills from throwing bullets around, they don't 'mark' the target like a military laser does for a smart bomb... ;)

It would be ahhh a bit dicey to shoot a bad guy with your pistol while the bad guy is standing close to a 5 year old, so what distance are you talking about?

I do like lasers to help figure out what poor techniques a shooter is using, such as tightening up while pulling the trigger and dropping the POI. Standing right behind the student like a baseball umpire can do that if the 'umpire' has some training. But under 21 feet I'm not so sure they are that big an aid real world.

But they are sure have a high LCCDI factor (Looks Cool and Chicks Dig It) on the local pistol range... :peace

It was more a testament to the asinine gun laws Chicago has in place than any technical treatise.

The bad guy would be the ones shooting, the dumbasses I was referring to were the gangbangers.

As a thread I put up a while ago, https://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/299728-you-wanna-see-gun-control.html?highlight=you+wanna+see+gun+control will show, I'm not really in the need for a laser. Just find it ridiculous I can't have one.

The range I just started going to (as the link will show, I'm just getting back into it) the few people who have laser sightings are usually ridiculed.
 
It was more a testament to the asinine gun laws Chicago has in place than any technical treatise.

The bad guy would be the ones shooting, the dumbasses I was referring to were the gangbangers.

As a thread I put up a while ago, https://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/299728-you-wanna-see-gun-control.html?highlight=you+wanna+see+gun+control will show, I'm not really in the need for a laser. Just find it ridiculous I can't have one.

The range I just started going to (as the link will show, I'm just getting back into it) the few people who have laser sightings are usually ridiculed.


I don't have much use for lasers. When I lock out in full-extension shooting position, I can't see the dot. The gun obscures it.

If I was shooting from retention position it would help... but I'd only be doing that at arm's length or so and I can hit within a few inches of where I want from retention without a laser, so again...

But making them illegal is idiotic.
 
I don't have much use for lasers. When I lock out in full-extension shooting position, I can't see the dot. The gun obscures it.

If I was shooting from retention position it would help... but I'd only be doing that at arm's length or so and I can hit within a few inches of where I want from retention without a laser, so again...

But making them illegal is idiotic.

They have their purposes, I suppose. I imagine waking up in the dead of night to find an intruder looking to cause harm would catch a hot one easier in a rush.

The cost and time needed to make a controlled shot like that from a dead sleep come second nature leaves few I imagine capable.

Everyone likes to think they're bad ass and would put one on target in a situation like that but most people I've encountered have readily admitted they froze.

On a similar note, one of the downsides to having a pump action shotgun they say is in a panic many don't pull the slide all the way back leaving the chamber without a shell. Of course you have your naysayers about the dependability of a semi auto, but...keep it clean and that to me really shouldn't be an issue. But it takes a special kind of person to keep a shotgun sheathed on the side of your bed.;)
 
It was more a testament to the asinine gun laws Chicago has in place than any technical treatise. The bad guy would be the ones shooting, the dumbasses I was referring to were the gangbangers. As a thread I put up a while ago, https://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/299728-you-wanna-see-gun-control.html?highlight=you+wanna+see+gun+control will show, I'm not really in the need for a laser. Just find it ridiculous I can't have one. The range I just started going to (as the link will show, I'm just getting back into it) the few people who have laser sightings are usually ridiculed.

Ahhh so a semi-canned 'gun' rubber rant... if I recall other 'gun' rubber rants the 'bad guys' don't care about 'asinine' 'gun' laws and therefore would have the laser anyway... :mrgreen:
 
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Nice. I use at least 124 grain 9mm ammo in my Sig P938 Mini 9. Saw where Kimber recommended the same for its Mini 9.
 
I don't have much use for lasers. When I lock out in full-extension shooting position, I can't see the dot. The gun obscures it.

If I was shooting from retention position it would help... but I'd only be doing that at arm's length or so and I can hit within a few inches of where I want from retention without a laser, so again...

But making them illegal is idiotic.

2 questions: can you sight in your laser and adjust it so you can see it? (Is it adjustable?)

And in a real life shoot, do you think you'll be achieving a perfect shooting stance?
 
2 questions: can you sight in your laser and adjust it so you can see it? (Is it adjustable?)

And in a real life shoot, do you think you'll be achieving a perfect shooting stance?



1. I don't own one, I've just tried them out.

2. Depends on the circumstances. I'm prepared to shoot under a variety of circumstances.
 
1. I don't own one, I've just tried them out.

2. Depends on the circumstances. I'm prepared to shoot under a variety of circumstances.

I'm not familiar with any but my Crimson Trace laser sight but it's adjustable, like sighting in a scope.

And my 2nd comment was thinking about how uncommon it would be to achieve a perfect stance in a self-defense type shooting.
 
They have their purposes, I suppose. I imagine waking up in the dead of night to find an intruder looking to cause harm would catch a hot one easier in a rush.

The cost and time needed to make a controlled shot like that from a dead sleep come second nature leaves few I imagine capable.

Everyone likes to think they're bad ass and would put one on target in a situation like that but most people I've encountered have readily admitted they froze.

On a similar note, one of the downsides to having a pump action shotgun they say is in a panic many don't pull the slide all the way back leaving the chamber without a shell. Of course you have your naysayers about the dependability of a semi auto, but...keep it clean and that to me really shouldn't be an issue. But it takes a special kind of person to keep a shotgun sheathed on the side of your bed.;)

This is why I have a laser on my M&P .40, it is bright enough to light up the room with the lights out. Not only does it show me exactly where I am aiming it gives me enough light to ensure I am not shooting my roommate.

As for the topic of CCW. I like the M&P Shield.
 
Yeah, Chicago doesn't allow for laser sights. One of them "common sense gun laws" they got on the books. Must be afraid the dumbasses might actually hit their intended target instead of the 5 year old next'em.

(and it has a mag cap of 10 so no +1 in the chamber)

Lol, did they say what the purpose was behind banning laser sights?
 
Personally, I think a laser is useful in resolving conflict peacefully. An aggressor might think twice upon seeing that dot on their chest.


I could be wrong.
 
I’m a revolver guy. It is what I am used to and comfortable with.
 
I'm not familiar with any but my Crimson Trace laser sight but it's adjustable, like sighting in a scope.

And my 2nd comment was thinking about how uncommon it would be to achieve a perfect stance in a self-defense type shooting.



Define perfect stance.

I don't have one stance for all conditions. I have five primary shooting postures and a number of secondary ones.

Most involve locking the arm out straight if the subject is more than 5-7' away though.


The only circumstances I can think of where a laser might be of any great use is if I couldn't look over the top of the weapon and the subject was too far away to shoot accurately without aimed fire. This seems improbable but I am open to other views.
 
Ahhh so a semi-canned 'gun' rubber rant... if I recall other 'gun' rubber rants the 'bad guys' don't care about 'asinine' 'gun' laws and therefore would have the laser anyway... :mrgreen:

If you want to call a colorful sentence discussing asinine legislation while commenting on a feature another poster revealed he possessed a rant...it shows your sensitive side in a sniveling sort of way, but, well, that's your business. :shrug:
 
Lol, did they say what the purpose was behind banning laser sights?

:lamo

This is CHICAGO.

They don't need reasons.
 
Define perfect stance.

I don't have one stance for all conditions. I have five primary shooting postures and a number of secondary ones.

Most involve locking the arm out straight if the subject is more than 5-7' away though.


The only circumstances I can think of where a laser might be of any great use is if I couldn't look over the top of the weapon and the subject was too far away to shoot accurately without aimed fire. This seems improbable but I am open to other views.

You only mentioned one in your post:

When I lock out in full-extension shooting position

And then seemed to base your opinion on that one, and not being able to see the dot on target. It sounds like basic target shooting stance, not one that you'd often have time to attain in a RL self-defense situation.
 
This is why I have a laser on my M&P .40, it is bright enough to light up the room with the lights out. Not only does it show me exactly where I am aiming it gives me enough light to ensure I am not shooting my roommate.

As for the topic of CCW. I like the M&P Shield.

I'm sure your roommate appreciates that...:lol:

The only S&W that's not a revolver that I'm looking at is a SW22 VICTORY

but I've heard good things.
 
You only mentioned one in your post:



And then seemed to base your opinion on that one, and not being able to see the dot on target. It sounds like basic target shooting stance, not one that you'd often have time to attain in a RL self-defense situation.


Here's the thing. With the laser under the weapon, I can't see the dot if I'm looking over the top of the weapon with it pointed at the target, because the gun is in the way. To see the laser dot, I have to break the alignment of my hands/arms and eyes, which is contrary to decades of training and experience.

Even if I'm shooting one-handed (which I do practice some), SOP is to raise the weapon to eye level if possible.

There are very few circumstances I foresee where I would be unable to do this, unless the subject were very close as in CQB, as in less then ten feet away, in which case I don't really need sighted fire to hit him near COM. In CQB I use one of three body-index positions to shoot without being able to sight over the weapon. Those are the only conditions I think a laser would likely be useful, but at such close range I have little need of a laser to achieve hits COM.

NOW having said that... yes CQB is very possible in self-defense situations. Most shootings occur at less than 7 yards, and many if not most at less than 7 feet. However the question arises of whether many of those CQB shootings (7' and less) happened that way because the shooter was able to close the distance unopposed (no opposing fire) or because the defender/victim failed to become aware of the threat until the attacker was on top of him/her. Most of the hot mess situations I've been in, I became aware of the possible threat well outside CQB range. Now, when I say "possible threat" I don't mean a shootable threat, necessarily... but in such circumstances I took steps to avoid closing with the threat, by changing directions or putting something between us, or stopping and locking eyes while verbalizing a suitable challenge as to why they were approaching me.

Well, that's what I've done when armed. On occasions where I didn't have a gun, and total avoidance wasn't feasible, instead I closed up on them quickly where I could employ HTH skills if they started to deploy a weapon.

Using awareness, eye contact, verbalization, and tactical movement/positioning to control the distance is part of how I handle potential threats. Letting someone possibly threatening too close is very dangerous; if they capture the initiative at such a range they may remain inside your OODA loop and you may never catch up.


Am I addressing your point or are you referring to something else?
 
Here's the thing. With the laser under the weapon, I can't see the dot if I'm looking over the top of the weapon with it pointed at the target, because the gun is in the way. To see the laser dot, I have to break the alignment of my hands/arms and eyes, which is contrary to decades of training and experience.

Even if I'm shooting one-handed (which I do practice some), SOP is to raise the weapon to eye level if possible.

There are very few circumstances I foresee where I would be unable to do this, unless the subject were very close as in CQB, as in less then ten feet away, in which case I don't really need sighted fire to hit him near COM. In CQB I use one of three body-index positions to shoot without being able to sight over the weapon. Those are the only conditions I think a laser would likely be useful, but at such close range I have little need of a laser to achieve hits COM.

NOW having said that... yes CQB is very possible in self-defense situations. Most shootings occur at less than 7 yards, and many if not most at less than 7 feet. However the question arises of whether many of those CQB shootings (7' and less) happened that way because the shooter was able to close the distance unopposed (no opposing fire) or because the defender/victim failed to become aware of the threat until the attacker was on top of him/her. Most of the hot mess situations I've been in, I became aware of the possible threat well outside CQB range. Now, when I say "possible threat" I don't mean a shootable threat, necessarily... but in such circumstances I took steps to avoid closing with the threat, by changing directions or putting something between us, or stopping and locking eyes while verbalizing a suitable challenge as to why they were approaching me.

Well, that's what I've done when armed. On occasions where I didn't have a gun, and total avoidance wasn't feasible, instead I closed up on them quickly where I could employ HTH skills if they started to deploy a weapon.

Using awareness, eye contact, verbalization, and tactical movement/positioning to control the distance is part of how I handle potential threats. Letting someone possibly threatening too close is very dangerous; if they capture the initiative at such a range they may remain inside your OODA loop and you may never catch up.


Am I addressing your point or are you referring to something else?

More than enough :)

I used my laser on my full size 9mm for training purposes and to develop proficiency. I found it really helpful moving and shooting at IDPA practices.

But in a real life situation? I dont know. I can imagine some that it would be helpful.
 
More than enough :)

I used my laser on my full size 9mm for training purposes and to develop proficiency. I found it really helpful moving and shooting at IDPA practices.

But in a real life situation? I dont know. I can imagine some that it would be helpful.


Well like I said, I haven't really fiddled with lasers that much. Maybe if I got one and adjusted it to my taste and got used to it, perhaps I'd think it was the best thing since grits with butter. :)

But so far I haven't been willing to spend the money on something for which I don't feel a need.
 
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