9DEC17 Lincoln Financial Field

Go army, beat navy!

Who's carrying it today ...ABC ?
Anyway...
Army 33
Navy 21
Shh....don't let Retired USN sees this.

PTF said:

Who's carrying it today ...ABC ?
Anyway...
Army 33
Navy 21
Shh....don't let Retired USN sees this.

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CBS 1500hrs EST....

Few enlisted personnel have much interest in the traditional Army-Navy game.

The players in the matchup are on the team of each service academy and the students of each academy participate as supporters seated in special sections.

Army means the cadet corps of the USMA at West Point who are in a four year liberal arts and military arts and science program of education and training to become officers. Navy means the midshipmen of the USNA at Annapolis who get a liberal arts degree to include naval art and science and to become officers. Likewise for the Air Force which came after WW II and does not factor in the Army-Navy athletic rivalry.

The cadets and midshipmen of each side are in career officers' education and training. Active duty officers of the armed services take a more keen interest in the traditional annual Army-Navy game but even then active duty officers don't necessarily get all too psyched up about the contest.

Indeed, Enlisted Personnel know the players and the cadets/midshipmen are the soon to be lieutenants or ensign whom senior NCO especially often view on sight with, among other feelings, skepticism, alarm or contempt. Generals and admirals are the most psyched up about the traditional and historic duel. The sergeant major is excused.


Meanwhile....

There are the EP service-level teams. The selected servicemembers assigned by their branches' to play on one of the athletic teams are full time athletes during their enlistment, or during most of their time-in service. They play sport only. Marines on the Marine Corps Boxing Team for instance spend their time training and competing, and representing the Corps in stateside and overseas military tournaments.

Same for the other branches of the service in boxing and in many other specialized sports. It is challenging to be selected as a military or naval or an air professional athlete for your enlistment but those who qualify serve their nation in this specific way. This is in fact historical and it is encouraged and rewarded by the Pentagon, Congress, Potus/CinC.

If a cadet or midshipman on graduation might want to agree to an offer to play professional sports such as the NFL, the Pentagon is authorized by Congress and Potus to assign the new officer stateside to accommodate the professional team and the newly commissioned officer. Or Pentagon grants a deferment to begin active duty service at a later date but the new officer must serve active duty sooner or later. The risk of injury is accepted.

In short, the Army-Navy game is mostly an officer's indulgence specific to officers who are graduates of a service academy or a university Rotc program. Not only but career officers especially.

Tangmo said:

Few enlisted personnel have much interest in the traditional Army-Navy game.

The players in the matchup are on the team of each service academy and the students of each academy participate as supporters seated in special sections.

Army means the cadet corps of the USMA at West Point who are in a four year liberal arts and military arts and science program of education and training to become officers. Navy means the midshipmen of the USNA at Annapolis who get a liberal arts degree to include naval art and science and to become officers. Likewise for the Air Force which came after WW II and does not factor in the Army-Navy athletic rivalry.

The cadets and midshipmen of each side are in career officers' education and training. Active duty officers of the armed services take a more keen interest in the traditional annual Army-Navy game but even then active duty officers don't necessarily get all too psyched up about the contest.

Indeed, Enlisted Personnel know the players and the cadets/midshipmen are the soon to be lieutenants or ensign whom senior NCO especially often view on sight with, among other feelings, skepticism, alarm or contempt. Generals and admirals are the most psyched up about the traditional and historic duel. The sergeant major is excused.


Meanwhile....

There are the EP service-level teams. The selected servicemembers assigned by their branches' to play on one of the athletic teams are full time athletes during their enlistment, or during most of their time-in service. They play sport only. Marines on the Marine Corps Boxing Team for instance spend their time training and competing, and representing the Corps in stateside and overseas military tournaments.

Same for the other branches of the service in boxing and in many other specialized sports. It is challenging to be selected as a military or naval or an air professional athlete for your enlistment but those who qualify serve their nation in this specific way. This is in fact historical and it is encouraged and rewarded by the Pentagon, Congress, Potus/CinC.

If a cadet or midshipman on graduation might want to agree to an offer to play professional sports such as the NFL, the Pentagon is authorized by Congress and Potus to assign the new officer stateside to accommodate the professional team and the newly commissioned officer. Or Pentagon grants a deferment to begin active duty service at a later date but the new officer must serve active duty sooner or later. The risk of injury is accepted.

In short, the Army-Navy game is mostly an officer's indulgence specific to officers who are graduates of a service academy or a university Rotc program. Not only but career officers especially.

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Thought I could maybe escape your notice and get by without your pollution, at least the game is history at this point, don’t you have shoes to shine and brass to polish?

Rexedgar said:

Thought I could maybe escape your notice and get by without your pollution, at least the game is history at this point, don’t you have shoes to shine and brass to polish?

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Pity... Your thread got Tangmo'd...

Rexedgar said:

Thought I could maybe escape your notice and get by without your pollution, at least the game is history at this point, don’t you have shoes to shine and brass to polish?

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Where I wuz there were EP to do that.

We watched the game.



Youse don't really think officers did their own shiny objects now did you? That stuff is for cadets and midshipmen to have to do. And they don't have very much at all -- buttons are about it.


The EP 'shiners' could have the game on in the back area of the orderly room while shining low quarters and arranging each officer uniform. The company aides couldn't care less who won the game btw so they looked happy if Army won and if Navy won they looked dejected but appropriately admiring of 'em.

The E-3 aides knew it made it easier for 'em to get instant approval or denial of their requests for pass or leave. It wuz a fine system because it was based entirely on performance. Win-win. No time anyway for extraneous stuff such as sports. There wuz a PT course down by the south wall of the post to include hopping over the waist high wall and back in again, repeatedly. Near the nco family quarters highrise.

^^^^^which one is you? Oh, that’s right......

Rexedgar said:

^^^^^which one is you? Oh, that’s right......

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Borrowed valor.....

I don't have PT tomorrow since the Army won.

**** yeah.

Jredbaron96 said:

I don't have PT tomorrow since the Army won.

**** yeah.

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Happy times...

Rexedgar said:

^^^^^which one is you? Oh, that’s right......

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"And who's the shortest of 'em all," the captain asked....





The little engine that could.

I got photos from my time -- many of us do. Pentagon has a photograph office to include a section of 3 IF TOG. Today our photos go way back. Just choose among 'em and print 'em out. Back when and before computers we just took the photos we wuz in right out of the folders cause there easily were a dozen of each one. It wuz for any of us to do on our free time.



Try this one out if you might....





It was done four years before I arrived. There were still some of 'em there when I made my legendary grand entrance in 1966.

SFC Pete Holder shown in this as drillmaster of the Army Drill Team in 1962 wuz still at it when I arrived and he wuz still at it when I left in 1970. Pete defined what the Army Drill Team is given it was founded in 1957 -- by Pete Holder. SFC Holder was ptn/sgt of 1st ptn of Honor Guard Company (E) when his light bulb lit and we all thank him for it.

Muskets in Motion by A Alpha company of 3 IR TOG is led by its c.o. Capt. Shaffer who wuz still there too. The dancing bears as we in TOG needled the specialized platoon of PT with rifles and Army music was drawn from the company as a whole. I liked the little guy who kept looking down into the camera mouth open gasping and struggling but doing it -- TOG always had a place for the little engine that could. We can thank SFC Richard Hughes and his infallible knack for spotting those esprit de corps ones the moment they walked through the door for their initial screening interview.

Fife and Drum Corps had their own birthing pains and in this documentary they'd just survived the comptroller's axe at the Pentagon. F&D began as several grunts in Honor Guard Company who played instruments sitting around the barracks broke and playing music to include Army tunes. Word of their tunes got to the company c.o. who gave 'em a listen. Then came colonial red uniforms and some real fifes and drums. Comptroller of the Army said this is silly and terminated the initial $25k budget the company commander had finagled. Fife and Drummies got the idea to go to the home of the Army secretary on his birthday to play for him at dawn. Capt. Graves the c.o. ordered up the bus wink wink and the rest is history. SecArmy Wilbur Bruckner quadrupled the budget. The several original F&DC guys are in this performance documentary.

The Big Picture series produced entirely by Army ran Saturday mornings gratis on CBS, ABC and DuMont television networks 1951-1964 and there's no doubt this one in 1962 helped kill it . On CBS The Big Picture came on after The Modern Farmer.

eace


The Tomb Guard in the final scene is Sp4 Richard Azzaro who went on to get a B.S. in physics, a law degree and recently completed a career at the Pentagon in nuclear weapons law. Many of us keep up with one another through the Old Guard Association reunions at Ft. Myer sponsored by The Old Guard and Department of the Army.

I won’t repost all the upper crap, <snip>

It’s not about you, toy soldier....

Rexedgar said:

^^^^^which one is you? Oh, that’s right......

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"You" in your post means moi thx.

Re: the photo of the Old Guard officers who you'd though did their own shoes and brass.

Just to let you know there are no hard feelings, you could do my shoes and brass thx. I'm not one to hold grudges.

Good thingy for Army they play Navy eh.

Tangmo said:

"You" in your post means moi thx.

Re: the photo of the Old Guard officers who you'd though did their own shoes and brass.

Just to let you know there are no hard feelings, you could do my shoes and brass thx. I'm not one to hold grudges.

Good thingy for Army they play Navy eh.

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An oldie dedicated to “Toy Soldier!”

Cool music from your bygone era so au contraire mon ami.

I posted The Big Picture done by Army about your favorite Toy Soldiers so let's look in turn at some Toy Marine Infantry and some other Toy Ceremonial Armed Forces in the National Capital Region of Washington DC. I suggest it because as you'd know there's fun to be had here for we who do appreciate it thx....



Sunset Parade Marine Corps War Memorial Washington DC


Edited clip of Marine Corps Infantry Ceremonial Guard, Marine Barracks Washington DC (9:40)





All Armed Forces Ceremonial Units Parade July 4th Washington DC

(1:47) Constitution Avenue, Video Location: Department of Commerce Main Buildings

Units:
Air Force Marching Band Bolling AFB Maryland (Their uniforms clue us it's 98 degrees out there.)
Army 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard Ft. Myer, Va.
Marine Corps Infantry Marine Barracks Washington DC
Joint Services Color Guard
Navy Ceremonial Guard Washington Navy Yard
Air Force Ceremonial Guard Bolling AFB, Md.
Coast Guard Ceremonial Guard, CGS Alexandria Va.
Army Old Guard Colonial Fife & Drum Corps, Ft. Myer Va.


As the only one here who done did this happy stuff -- for four years and always cheerfully -- I'd note to the observer the services train their personnel to march like statues and to swing the arm precisely. All the same Army and Air Force swing the arm more than the others. Marines and Coast Guard swing the left arm less. Navy cuts its swing short and struts -- Navy does this so you can hear their balls clanking.

No one knows anyway what Navy or Air Force do with rifles. Navy must use rifles to shoot fish or sumthin. Air Force has heard of rifles so when they get handed one it's time to take a picture and post it to FB. CG makes good use of rifles when it needs 'em.

So in sum, we have in the July 4th Parade video and instance of Toy Soldiers, Toy Marines, Toy Seamen, Toy Airmen, Toy Coast Guardsmen not to mention the Toy Fife & Drum Corps Musicians of the Toy 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army. We luvit.

Third Infantry Regiment got its nick The Old Guard of the Army from General Winfield Scott in the Victory Parade in Mexico City, 1848. President Truman designated 3rd Infantry as the CinC ceremonial unit and tagged it "The President's Regiment." So the Toy Story continues.