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US warship collides with Japanese tug boat

RetiredUSN said:
Ask Defense Secretary Mattis. He wouldn't be talking about it if it were not a issue.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...t-unnecessary-training-off-warfighters-backs/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/23/military-readiness-was-undermined-by-obama-experim/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/25/sailors-leaving-navy-over-stress-on-social-issues-/
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It makes me wonder if the other branches do it differently. 45 minutes every few months doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I have no idea how that would really impact job performance.
 
MrPeanut said:
It makes me wonder if the other branches do it differently. 45 minutes every few months doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I have no idea how that would really impact job performance.
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I had to have a training schedule made out on a quarterly schedule and submitted up through the chain of command before the last two weeks of the current quarter we were in.

We trained on a daily and weekly basis and had to submit a summary with the topic and attendance up to the department head each week.
 
The military and the Vatican have a lot in common, starting with the fact they don't change from within.

Somebody from outside the walls has to grab 'em to twist their arm. Make 'em cry out and accept.

It's always been the way. Reading most of the retired lifer NCO I'd thought youse guyz got attacked each time you tried to start a class. Somebody inside kept sending the enemy youse position and times.

A few have made some progress however despite it all. Which I figure would be inevitable. It's highly unlikely there would be one single cause to the ships crashing around the Pacific.
 
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apdst said:
Damn, but Obama turned our armed forces into a cluster****.
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Good lord, he truly was a magic negro afterall, he will haunt the lives and minds of some folk beyond their own earthly lives.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Good lord, he truly was a magic negro afterall, he will haunt the lives and minds of some folk beyond their own earthly lives.
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Denisl is strong with this one. :lamo
 
Looks to me like the Tug had a malfunction of some sort.

The USS Benfold had a small ding and a scrape.
 
Methinks that normally this would not be news flashed around the world if that might be how it wuz handled by media. I don't blame USN any more than I blame media however.

Navy operates in, under and over water which is risk number one to begin with. The Benfold in friendly waters getting tapped by a tug that lost propulsion gets it due low level of attention and the Navy moves ahead as normal with its regular duties, which apparently have come to involve banging with huge commercial ships in established sea lanes.

I wuz Army but I'd always thought it was basic to the Navy that it manage to navigate from point A to point B on the high seas without finding something to slam into or be banged by. Repeatedly besides. I most recently held my breath as three USN carrier strike forces marshaled off the Korean peninsula so I'm pleased all went well and that so far so good.

Conversely, a grunt in the Marines or Army managing to ditch a Humvee on a quiet road on a sunny day in a Sunday drive environment thereby causing a commotion is news plain and simple. Methinks the Humvee drive-in pictured in scrolling is more newsworthy than the tug tapping non-incident. Anyone who might be only offended by the photo or insulted by it would need to re-examine his values. Then again everyone's entitled to his opinion about the opinions of others opinions. Ne c'est pas?

Extending the armed forces and Vatican likeness and myself being both a military veteran and a decades long retired Catholic, I am most comfortable thinking of lifer NCO and the Monsignor disciplinarian enforcer as being two peas in a doctrinaire pod. This is because when it comes to Navy ship collisions and diversity of personnel policies in the armed forces we are talking chalk and cheese. There is zero connection and less than zero in cause-effect analysis. There is in fact only the traditional mindset of doing what's always been done and gripping on to it forever. Kicking and screaming.
 
Tangmo said:
Methinks that normally this would not be news flashed around the world if that might be how it wuz handled by media. I don't blame USN any more than I blame media however.

Navy operates in, under and over water which is risk number one to begin with. The Benfold in friendly waters getting tapped by a tug that lost propulsion gets it due low level of attention and the Navy moves ahead as normal with its regular duties, which apparently have come to involve banging with huge commercial ships in established sea lanes.

I wuz Army but I'd always thought it was basic to the Navy that it manage to navigate from point A to point B on the high seas without finding something to slam into or be banged by. Repeatedly besides. I most recently held my breath as three USN carrier strike forces marshaled off the Korean peninsula so I'm pleased all went well and that so far so good.

Conversely, a grunt in the Marines or Army managing to ditch a Humvee on a quiet road on a sunny day in a Sunday drive environment thereby causing a commotion is news plain and simple. Methinks the Humvee drive-in pictured in scrolling is more newsworthy than the tug tapping non-incident. Anyone who might be only offended by the photo or insulted by it would need to re-examine his values. Then again everyone's entitled to his opinion about the opinions of others opinions. Ne c'est pas?

Extending the armed forces and Vatican likeness and myself being both a military veteran and a decades long retired Catholic, I am most comfortable thinking of lifer NCO and the Monsignor disciplinarian enforcer as being two peas in a doctrinaire pod. This is because when it comes to Navy ship collisions and diversity of personnel policies in the armed forces we are talking chalk and cheese. There is zero connection and less than zero in cause-effect analysis. There is in fact only the traditional mindset of doing what's always been done and gripping on to it forever. Kicking and screaming.
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More prattle about NCOs when it is clear no NCO is at fault....
 
American said:
US Navy ships have more radar capability than you can shake a stick at. They should know every thing around them at all times. This shouldn't happen. Notice how it's always with the same fleet? Is it training, sabotage or what?
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In this case an accident. The tug failed.
 
American said:
That tug shouldn't have been able to get close.
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It was a towing exercise pards...... ya gotta get close.

The forward-deployed destroyer was participating in a scheduled towing exercise in Sagami Wan, south of Kanagawa Prefecture in Honshu, when the tug boat lost propulsion and drifted into the ship.


Ever take a close look at a Navy ship that is 10 years old? It looks like a waffle on both sides with all the tug dings.

This is a non story, other than for the boatswains mate's on deck. Just another kiss.
 
The recent record of ship collisions involve the 7th Fleet which operates in the western Pacific out of its home base in Japan. It is a forward deployed fleet among other forward deployed fleets in the Med (6th Fleet) and the Gulf (5th Fleet). Third Fleet has the Pacific east of the International Date Line traditionally and in recent years it has been integrated with the 7th Fleet.

Third and Seventh Fleets are the Pacific Fleet commanded from Pearl Harbor. Pacific Fleet operates in what's called the "vast ocean." We can drop Asia into the Pacific to make the continent disappear. While 6th Fleet and 5th Fleet are at or next to Europe where U.S. has many bases and support is more readily accessible, 7th Fleet is a long way from most of what it needs.

Several reports have pointed to 7th Fleet having extended tours, delayed maintenance and upgrades, inadequate preparation and training for deployments and much more. So there are many reasons provided initially for a less than optimal performance these dayze and times.

Diversity of naval personnel classes now and then are not a reason. Sea drills and the experience of normal routines etc aren't enough to compensate for what did not occur dockside or in drydock or in education and training back at the base either in a forward deployment or in regular basic or advanced training.

Retired lifer NCO aching and groaning to target personnel diversity classes is classic rightwing nonsense. A harmonious personnel diversity is integral to having a unified fighting force that is effective, efficient, decisive in battle. It is high among the priorities and necessities to military and naval success. It reminds us that in the armed forces you either get with the program or you get tossed out of it. As the commandant of USAF Academy told the assembled body after post-Charlottesville racial slurs were scrawled on some notice boards, those who wrote 'em need to "Get out!"
 
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Tangmo said:
Methinks that normally this would not be news flashed around the world if that might be how it wuz handled by media. I don't blame USN any more than I blame media however.

Navy operates in, under and over water which is risk number one to begin with. The Benfold in friendly waters getting tapped by a tug that lost propulsion gets it due low level of attention and the Navy moves ahead as normal with its regular duties, which apparently have come to involve banging with huge commercial ships in established sea lanes.

I wuz Army but I'd always thought it was basic to the Navy that it manage to navigate from point A to point B on the high seas without finding something to slam into or be banged by. Repeatedly besides. I most recently held my breath as three USN carrier strike forces marshaled off the Korean peninsula so I'm pleased all went well and that so far so good.

Conversely, a grunt in the Marines or Army managing to ditch a Humvee on a quiet road on a sunny day in a Sunday drive environment thereby causing a commotion is news plain and simple. Methinks the Humvee drive-in pictured in scrolling is more newsworthy than the tug tapping non-incident. Anyone who might be only offended by the photo or insulted by it would need to re-examine his values. Then again everyone's entitled to his opinion about the opinions of others opinions. Ne c'est pas?

Extending the armed forces and Vatican likeness and myself being both a military veteran and a decades long retired Catholic, I am most comfortable thinking of lifer NCO and the Monsignor disciplinarian enforcer as being two peas in a doctrinaire pod. This is because when it comes to Navy ship collisions and diversity of personnel policies in the armed forces we are talking chalk and cheese. There is zero connection and less than zero in cause-effect analysis. There is in fact only the traditional mindset of doing what's always been done and gripping on to it forever. Kicking and screaming.
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Tangmo said:
The recent record of ship collisions involve the 7th Fleet which operates in the western Pacific out of its home base in Japan. It is a forward deployed fleet among other forward deployed fleets in the Med (6th Fleet) and the Gulf (5th Fleet). Third Fleet has the Pacific east of the International Date Line traditionally and in recent years it has been integrated with the 7th Fleet.

Third and Seventh Fleets are the Pacific Fleet commanded from Pearl Harbor. Pacific Fleet operates in what's called the "vast ocean." We can drop Asia into the Pacific to make the continent disappear. While 6th Fleet and 5th Fleet are at or next to Europe where U.S. has many bases and support is more readily accessible, 7th Fleet is a long way from most of what it needs.

Several reports have pointed to 7th Fleet having extended tours, delayed maintenance and upgrades, inadequate preparation and training for deployments and much more. So there are many reasons provided initially for a less than optimal performance these dayze and times.

Diversity of naval personnel classes now and then are not a reason. Sea drills and the experience of normal routines etc aren't enough to compensate for what did not occur dockside or in drydock or in education and training back at the base either in a forward deployment or in regular basic or advanced training.

Retired lifer NCO aching and groaning to target personnel diversity classes is classic rightwing nonsense. A harmonious personnel diversity is integral to having a unified fighting force that is effective, efficient, decisive in battle. It is high among the priorities and necessities to military and naval success. It reminds us that in the armed forces you either get with the program or you get tossed out of it. As the commandant of USAF Academy told the assembled body after post-Charlottesville racial slurs were scrawled on some notice boards, those who wrote 'em need to "Get out!"
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The issue certainly deserves talking about NCO's...

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The Title is misleading... it makes it look like the US Navy did something wrong.

The Japanese tugboat collided into the US Navy ship which was trying to get out of the way.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The Title is misleading... it makes it look like the US Navy did something wrong.

The Japanese tugboat collided into the US Navy ship which was trying to get out of the way.
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Those of us who read and understand the story are trying to tell those trying to put their partisan spin on the issue.... It obviously isn't getting through.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The Title is misleading... it makes it look like the US Navy did something wrong.

The Japanese tugboat collided into the US Navy ship which was trying to get out of the way.
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It was not even a collision. It drifted into the side up the ship after it lost propulsion.

Since they were at sea, the waves alone would be enough to rock the tug's pilot house and put a ding in the ship.

The tug was in no real danger either, other than needing some metal work..........probably.
 
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