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Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

The Staff Sergeant's actions were a disgrace to the uniform. I felt a reduction in rank was appropriate. That said, you can't have leadership trying to sway the outcome of a court martial so in the interest of justice I agree with the reversal.
 
Redress said:
What was bull**** about the charge?
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They killed the dude; literally blew his head off. After that, it's irrelevant that they pissed on him.

Not to mention, he was a piece of **** terrorist scumbag. Who cares what happens to him?
 
apdst said:
They killed the dude; literally blew his head off. After that, it's irrelevant that they pissed on him.

Not to mention, he was a piece of **** terrorist scumbag. Who cares what happens to him?
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They killed him because it was combat. Killing the enemy is their job.

apdst said:
He is an illegal combatant. He doesn't rate the same respect as a real soldier.
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It isn't about what he deserves. It is about how one conducts themselves in our Nation's uniform. This wasn't some Vietnam War draftee. This was a professional USMC Non-Commissioned Officer. No, I don't consider it a war crime, but it definitely disgraces the uniform and is counter-productive to the goal of winning hearts and minds.

We claim to have the moral high ground in this conflict. Let's act like it.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
They killed him because it was combat. Killing the enemy is their job.



It isn't about what he deserves. It is about how one conducts themselves in our Nation's uniform. This wasn't some Vietnam War draftee. This was a professional USMC Non-Commissioned Officer. No, I don't consider it a war crime, but it definitely disgraces the uniform and is counter-productive to the goal of winning hearts and minds.

We claim to have the moral high ground in this conflict. Let's act like it.
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You're ok with mutilating someone with a heavy weapon, but God forbid a soldier piss on him after he does it? See any hypocrisy there, at all?
 
apdst said:
They killed the dude; literally blew his head off. After that, it's irrelevant that they pissed on him.

Not to mention, he was a piece of **** terrorist scumbag. Who cares what happens to him?
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It had nothing to do with the dead guys, and everything to do with the live ones.
 
apdst said:
You're ok with mutilating someone with a heavy weapon, but God forbid a soldier piss on him after he does it? See any hypocrisy there, at all?
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No, killing someone trying to kill you is not mutilation. Now if they walked over to the dead corpse and shot it with a thousand more bullets so as to further destroy it then that would be desecration.

When a dead American soldier is dragged through the streets we don't say, "that's ok, he's already dead". It pisses us off. Hell, it pisses off many people who don't even like America. There is something fundamentally repulsive about desecrating the dead. The dead don't care. They are dead. But it engenders disgust and hate from the living. And we don't need any more of that than we have.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
No, killing someone trying to kill you is not mutilation. Now if they walked over to the dead corpse and shot it with a thousand more bullets so as to further destroy it then that would be desecration.

When a dead American soldier is dragged through the streets we don't say, "that's ok, he's already dead". It pisses us off. Hell, it pisses off many people who don't even like America. There is something fundamentally repulsive about desecrating the dead. The dead don't care. They are dead. But it engenders disgust and hate from the living. And we don't need any more of that than we have.
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It is when the body is dismembered.

When an American soldier is killed by the enemy in a firefight we don't say "that's ok" either. It pisses us off. Doesn't it? It pisses me off. Does it piss you off?
 
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apdst said:
It is when the body is dismembered.

When an American soldier is killed by the enemy in a firefight we don't say "that's ok" either. It pisses us off. Doesn't it? It pisses me off. Does it piss you off?
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Of course it does. But desecrating the body afterwards compounds that anger by an order of magnitude for no purpose whatsoever. It may not be rational, but it is human nature.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Of course it does. But desecrating the body afterwards compounds that anger by an order of magnitude for no purpose whatsoever. It may not be rational, but it is human nature.
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I tend to agree. It isn't professional or decent. He really shouldn't have.


But given the stress levels troops are under in that kind of conflict, I'm inclined to look the other way. His biggest mistake was breaking the 11th commandment, "don't get caught at it".


And as far as I'm concerned, every ISIS fighter and every Taliban fighter need to be dead anyway, leaving no one to take offense.
 
apdst said:
It's a good thing people weren't uptight like this during WW2.
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Yeah, that is why the US had to ban various forms of corpse desecration (mostly Pacific Theatre) during WW2. Learn your history dude.
 
apdst said:
He is an illegal combatant. He doesn't rate the same respect as a real soldier.
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It's obvious you never had the level of honor expected of a US soldier and its shameful that you ever put a uniform on. In reality this dead guy had nothing to do with international terrorism and likely was illiterate and had never left Afghanistan in his life. At some point even you are going to have to stop pretending that blowing away mountain hill billies on the other side of the world is protecting America.

No, pissing on dead enemy combatants is not becoming of a US soldier and it plays into the Taliban narrative that we're there to dominate and disrespect the Afghan people. Propaganda galore. I hope weak and immoral men like yourself and the accused stay out, it makes our military look bad and directly puts them in danger.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
It's obvious you never had the level of honor expected of a US soldier and its shameful that you ever put a uniform on. In reality this dead guy had nothing to do with international terrorism and likely was illiterate and had never left Afghanistan in his life. At some point even you are going to have to stop pretending that blowing away mountain hill billies on the other side of the world is protecting America.

No, pissing on dead enemy combatants is not becoming of a US soldier and it plays into the Taliban narrative that we're there to dominate and disrespect the Afghan people. Then again I think you were reserves right? So you were just playing soldier on the side.
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I don't know, call me cynical but something tells be the dead guy didn't give a **** whether he was pissed on or not. I suspect if the dead guy had his druthers he would have prefer to be pissed on and lived to tell the tale.

As for the bull**** about honor in war, only idiots, fools and the deluded believe that crock. There is no honor in killing people and breaking ****.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
It's obvious you never had the level of honor expected of a US soldier and its shameful that you ever put a uniform on. In reality this dead guy had nothing to do with international terrorism and likely was illiterate and had never left Afghanistan in his life. At some point even you are going to have to stop pretending that blowing away mountain hill billies on the other side of the world is protecting America.

No, pissing on dead enemy combatants is not becoming of a US soldier and it plays into the Taliban narrative that we're there to dominate and disrespect the Afghan people. Propaganda galore. I hope weak and immoral men like yourself and the accused stay out, it makes our military look bad and directly puts them in danger.
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PirateMk1 said:
I don't know, call me cynical but something tells be the dead guy didn't give a **** whether he was pissed on or not. I suspect if the dead guy had his druthers he would have prefer to be pissed on and lived to tell the tale.

As for the bull**** about honor in war, only idiots, fools and the deluded believe that crock. There is no honor in killing people and breaking ****.
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Jesus, what a pointless and short sighted comment. Did you really think you needed to come in here to tell me dead people don't feel? No ****ing ****, Sherlock. It's never been about the one dead Afghan, rather the other millions of Afghans who hear about **** like this.

98% of our job as infantry in Afghanistan was to meet with local elders in our AO and build relationships with the communities. When Afghans hear about stuff like this, which they usually do, it weakens our claim that we're just here to help and bolsters the Taliban claim that they're freedom fighters against the evil American imperialists.

If he had just pissed on the body it would be one thing, but obvious he broadcasted it on social media or via bragging so now the entire world knows about it. It did nothing to help the war effort and in fact made the jobs of other soldiers much much harder. Think things through in context before you jump on board with stupid and dishonorable behavior.

I also completely reject your idiotic claim that there is no difference between an honorable and dishonorable soldier thus we shouldn't care. Complete load of crock.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Jesus, what a pointless and short sighted comment. Did you really think you needed to come in here to tell me dead people don't feel? No ****ing ****, Sherlock. It's never been about the one dead Afghan, rather the other millions of Afghans who hear about **** like this.

98% of our job as infantry in Afghanistan was to meet with local elders in our AO and build relationships with the communities. When Afghans hear about stuff like this, which they usually do, it weakens our claim that we're just here to help and bolsters the Taliban claim that they're freedom fighters against the evil American imperialists.

If he had just pissed on the body it would be one thing, but obvious he broadcasted it on social media or via bragging so now the entire world knows about it. It did nothing to help the war effort and in fact made the jobs of other soldiers much much harder. Think things through in context before you jump on board with stupid and dishonorable behavior.

I also completely reject your idiotic claim that there is no difference between an honorable and dishonorable soldier thus we shouldn't care. Complete load of crock.
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ISIS members are not honorable in any form. The would just assume kill a entire family for spite just because they live in some town friendly to the new government.

But I do agree that these kids should have received some sort of NJP for their actions........maybe a good ass ripping from the CO and some extra duty.
 
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