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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    You're the only one who took me literally.
    Incorrect. MSGT did and I questioned him on who would propose a Medal for these folks. He pointed out your post.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    More justification for my view here:

    Sun Tzu Quotes About Discipline | A-Z Quotes

    Feel free to see how this lapse is unforgivable.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    Best move would be to make example of captain piss ant for his complete and utter lack of respect for the uniform and encouraging the enemy to create more terrorists. He lost sight of the objective. The point isn't to kill or intimate the enemy. It is to end the war. No nation benefits from prolonged warfare. And it is utterly sickening to see people defend this trash.
    You don't end wars UNLESS you kill and intimidate the enemy. That is pretty much Strategy and Tactics 101.

    And you should be directing your fury against the pissed-upon Taliban enemy, living and dead. They and their ilk are the problem, not our fighting men who have mastered them in every significant combat, and who may be excused for occasional lapses in deportment and judgement.

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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Incorrect. MSGT did and I questioned him on who would propose a Medal for these folks. He pointed out your post.
    Oops, that's two of you I need to put on my no-hyperbole list. I'm as sorry as I can be.

    No, I take that back- the fault is entirely with you for your failure to recognize anything so obvious.

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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    You don't end wars UNLESS you kill and intimidate the enemy. That is pretty much Strategy and Tactics 101.

    And you should be directing your fury against the pissed-upon Taliban enemy, living and dead. They and their ilk are the problem, not our fighting men who have mastered them in every significant combat, and who may be excused for occasional lapses in deportment and judgement.
    The supreme art of war is to win without fighting. Period. And there is 0 excuse for barbarism. If I lived in a nation being invaded by a foreigner who pisses on corpses...I believe I would support the one who wants them gone. And I would do as much as I can to subvert the enemy.

    And don't kid yourself. These troops may be winning battles...but we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. All we have done is created more enemies. Read a book man. Read sun Tzu. Read some History. so congrats to captain piss ant for creating Isis and their ilk. Remember. The taliban? Yea. Where did they come from?
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Oops, that's two of you I need to put on my no-hyperbole list. I'm as sorry as I can be.

    No, I take that back- the fault is entirely with you for your failure to recognize anything so obvious.
    Please reread... I didnt believe it when MSGT accused others of someone proposing a medal. Heu corrected me by referring to Post #2.

    Then someone else questioned it and I responded by referring to your post and that I didn't know if you were serious....

    Again. Hyperbolic statements are presented teime and again. Not all are recognizable as such. And I do believe at least one other in the forum is of a like mind about medals for pissing.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    The US asked Taliban to hand over OBL in 5/01?

    That is not implausible, but I did not see reference to it in the first two "may 2001 taliban refused hand over bin laden" google pages.

    Also, 9/11 gave us grounds for immediately ceasing to put up with Taliban's noncooperation.
    No. May 2001 was the poppy check.

    Our demand for bin Laden was post-9/11.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    You don't end wars UNLESS you kill and intimidate the enemy. That is pretty much Strategy and Tactics 101.

    And you should be directing your fury against the pissed-upon Taliban enemy, living and dead. They and their ilk are the problem, not our fighting men who have mastered them in every significant combat, and who may be excused for occasional lapses in deportment and judgement.



    If fighting a war of attrition, yes you want to kill, and intimidate as much as you can, in a limited engagement wars such as the kinder more sensitive one we fight now, everything you do is under a microscope. I for one would be concerned if I was tasked to a unit that had guys with this much poor judgment.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    The supreme art of war is to win without fighting. Period.
    Bull****.

    You cannot win a war except by fighting. The hearts and minds of the foe will never fall to you until you have kicked their asses a few times. Period.


    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    And there is 0 excuse for barbarism.
    There is 0 excuse for preposterous exaggeration such as you employ above.


    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    If I lived in a nation being invaded by a foreigner who pisses on corpses...I believe I would support the one who wants them gone. And I would do as much as I can to subvert the enemy.
    If I lived in a nation where Taliban was at large I would welcome any foreign help I could get, and if they wanted to piss on Taliban corpses it would be fine with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    And don't kid yourself. These troops may be winning battles...but we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    No, we did not lose in Iraq and Afghanistan. The enemy governments were in both cases overthrown, and replaced with governments more friendly to us, and more importantly, more friendly toward their own people.


    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    All we have done is created more enemies. Read a book man. Read sun Tzu. Read some History. so congrats to captain piss ant for creating Isis and their ilk. Remember. The taliban? Yea. Where did they come from?
    I know so much more history than you that it's scary. And I don't need any lessons from Tzu about what it takes to win a war and then win the peace.

    The historical fact is that no matter what we do, even if we were to do everything perfectly, the nature of our theocratic, fanatic enemy is such that the war forced upon us on 9/11/2001 will probably be of at least 50 years duration. We are now, perhaps, at the end of the beginning. I will die before it is over (I am 68). I hope you are young enough to see it end. But you will not see it end if people in authority embrace you worm-eyed point of view.
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    Re: Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    No. It falls under a disgrace to the uniform and the American public. This has nothing to do with intimidation. It has to do with an undisciplined piece of **** forgetting the objective. Put him in front of a firing squad.
    There is no glory in war. There's winning and losing; living and dying.

    The only objective, is to survive and come home in one piece, both mentally and physically.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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