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Court Reverses Conviction Of Marine Sniper Who Urinated On Dead Taliban

RabidAlpaca said:
Please pay attention. We're talking about random insurgent goat herders in Afghanistan, not ISIS, and you just agreed with me that there's a difference between honorable and dishonorable soldiers.
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I paid about enough attention to know that there are no honorable ISIS/ISIL foot soldiers.

Kapeeesh?
 
MSgt said:
Perhaps this is why you don't get a few things about institutional discipline. It's not about the "scum bag." It's about the unprofessional behavior of what is supposed to be a professional Marine. How sad must one's state of mind be that taking the life isn't enough.

I remember a time when we were angry over Somalis dragging a dead, naked soldier through the streets of Mogadishu in 1993. Your dismissal of the Marines unprofessional and disrespectful conduct would encourage the act, thus reducing the Marines Corps (and your own branch) to Somali trash.
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Such acts have been committed by all sides (including our own) in all wars from the beginning of time.
 
apdst said:
How was I mistaken?
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So far in this thread alone, looks like two ways.
1. Redress's point that you claiming military leadership was NOT up-tight about these sorts of things in WW2, when they were.

2. your original claim, that the charge in this case was "bull****". It was not bull****, it was a legitimate charge.
The only reason it was reversed was because Amos used his influence in an attempt to get stricter punishments for any involved.

Not only was it not bull****, some Marine leadership felt apparently that it was too lenient.

Your claims appear to be the primary source of bull**** in the thread.
 
Mach said:
So far in this thread alone, looks like two ways.
1. Redress's point that you claiming military leadership was NOT up-tight about these sorts of things in WW2, when they were.
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Prove that they were.

2. your original claim, that the charge in this case was "bull****". It was not bull****, it was a legitimate charge.
The only reason it was reversed was because Amos used his influence in an attempt to get stricter punishments for any involved.

Not only was it not bull****, some Marine leadership felt apparently that it was too lenient.

Your claims appear to be the primary source of bull**** in the thread.
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The conviction was overturned. Legitimate convictions don't get overturned.
 
Jack Hays said:
Such acts have been committed by all sides (including our own) in all wars from the beginning of time.
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Which is supposed to mean what? Looting & pillaging and raping the horses & riding off on all the women have been around throughout history too. What does that have to do with anything?
 
Jack Hays said:
There are no honorable Taliban fighters.
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And if you and others here had anything to do with it, there would be no honorable Marines either. His status as a Taliban fighter is no excuse for a Marine to drop his professionalism. Marines are better than the Somali trash that would drag our dead troops through a city.

We are certainly better than relieving ourselves on their dead bodies. It is a moronic act of unprofessionalism.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
And what does that opinion have to do with desecrating bodies then posting the video on social media to harm our country?
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The error was in the posting because it created controversy. No harm was done to our country. Those who hated us before, hated us after. Those who loved us before, loved us after (maybe more).
 
Thoreau72 said:
Let's elect him POTUS and Pisser-In-Chief!
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Haha- He would for damn sure get my vote if he was running against that assholePOTUS Trump.

But to be serious, there is nothing wrong with urinating on the lowest forms of life, and I hope you will agree that Taliban falls under that category.
 
MSgt said:
And if you and others here had anything to do with it, there would be no honorable Marines either. His status as a Taliban fighter is no excuse for a Marine to drop his professionalism. Marines are better than the Somali trash that would drag our dead troops through a city.

We are certainly better than relieving ourselves on their dead bodies. It is a moronic act of unprofessionalism.
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No high horses allowed here. Marines (and others) have done much worse without complaint from anyone. I don't condone the behavior, but I cut a lot of slack for men and women fighting for us and their own lives.
 
MSgt said:
And if you and others here had anything to do with it, there would be no honorable Marines either. His status as a Taliban fighter is no excuse for a Marine to drop his professionalism. Marines are better than the Somali trash that would drag our dead troops through a city.

We are certainly better than relieving ourselves on their dead bodies. It is a moronic act of unprofessionalism.
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Marines executed Japanese POW's on Okinawa. It's a good thing that the Greatest Generation understood that it's war and war is horror. That's part of what made them the Greatest Generation.
 
apdst said:
Marines executed Japanese POW's on Okinawa. It's a good thing that the Greatest Generation understood that it's war and war is horror.
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Citation? Not youtube or a blog, thanks.
 
ecofarm said:
Citation? Not youtube or a blog, thanks.
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American servicemen in the Pacific War sometimes deliberately killed Japanese soldiers who had surrendered, according to Richard Aldrich, a professor of history at Nottingham University. Aldrich published a study of diaries kept by United States and Australian soldiers, wherein it was stated that they sometimes massacred prisoners of war.[11] According to John Dower, in "many instances ... Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds."[12] According to Professor Aldrich, it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners.[13] His analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson,[14] who also says that, in 1943, "a secret [U.S.] intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would ... induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
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apdst said:
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That doesn't mean it was accepted outside the emotion of battle, or that it was proper. Thanks for the citation on the acts, but what about those acts being accepted by the public and soldiers not in the heat of the moment?
 

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ecofarm said:
That doesn't mean it was accepted outside the emotion of battle, or that it was proper. Thanks for the citation on the acts, but what about those acts being accepted by the public and soldiers not in the heat of the moment?
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Didn't say it was acceptable. My point is, it happened and there were no courts-martial because of it.
 
ecofarm said:
That doesn't mean it was accepted outside the emotion of battle, or that it was proper. Thanks for the citation on the acts, but what about those acts being accepted by the public and soldiers not in the heat of the moment?
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American troops ****ed some folks up during World War 2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

Again, it's a good thing there were so many handwringers running about, then.

Redress wants you to believe this behavior was legal during WW2, but in actuality, everything I've mentioned in this thread was made illegal by the 1929 Geneva Convention. Policies were written during the prohibiting the mutilation of enemy KIA's, but it was mostly ignored by local commands.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
They killed him because it was combat. Killing the enemy is their job.



It isn't about what he deserves. It is about how one conducts themselves in our Nation's uniform. This wasn't some Vietnam War draftee. This was a professional USMC Non-Commissioned Officer. No, I don't consider it a war crime, but it definitely disgraces the uniform and is counter-productive to the goal of winning hearts and minds.

We claim to have the moral high ground in this conflict. Let's act like it.
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Calm down... it’s not as if anyone would be influenced to take up arms against the US because this guy disgraces the uniform.
 
apdst said:
Marines executed Japanese POW's on Okinawa. It's a good thing that the Greatest Generation understood that it's war and war is horror. That's part of what made them the Greatest Generation.
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And that would be wrong....

Slaughtering POWs does not make them the Greatest Generation.

If that were true the SS would be lionized.
 
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