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US troops met with 'overwhelming force' in Niger ambush, official says [W:14]

Jaygodmedia said:
And the liars in this horrible administration has said what so far?
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Nothing, nor should they be saying anything. When you find a problem with your tactics, you fix it. You don't announce it to the whole world.
 
Loose lips sink ships (or kill Green Berets) so who did Trump brag to?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Loose lips sink ships (or kill Green Berets) so who did Trump brag to?
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You using the deaths of service members to attack Trump says a whole lot more about you then any points you think you scored with your little shot. I know you don’t because of the type of person you are but you really should be ashamed.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
WTF is going on? GOP?
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Sorry, i can't watch that right now, but is that the video where Maddow nails that:

- President Trump/Tillerson were pissed at Chad for a $57 billion Exxon tax dispute
- President Trump/Tillerson put Chad on the travel ban for BS reasons
- Chad pulled its support from Niger.
- American soldiers are ordered to go in blind and get ambushed.

?
 
Absentglare said:
Sorry, i can't watch that right now, but is that the video where Maddow nails that:

- President Trump/Tillerson were pissed at Chad for a $57 billion Exxon tax dispute
- President Trump/Tillerson put Chad on the travel ban for BS reasons
- Chad pulled its support from Niger.
- American soldiers are ordered to go in blind and get ambushed.

?
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I suppose you have a link to US Soldiers being ordered to go in blind. Can I see that link.
 
Absentglare said:
Sorry, i can't watch that right now, but is that the video where Maddow nails that:

- President Trump/Tillerson were pissed at Chad for a $57 billion Exxon tax dispute
- President Trump/Tillerson put Chad on the travel ban for BS reasons
- Chad pulled its support from Niger.
- American soldiers are ordered to go in blind and get ambushed.

?
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Post a link showing the order of battle and how Chadian forces fit into that order of battle.
 
braindrain said:
Lol. Nice try but what Mattis wanting answers to what went wrong is not even close to asking the type of silly questions you were asking. And frankly all your questions did was show you have no real idea what you are talking about no about.
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I was thinking the same about you remf
 
So much for that conspiracy theory.

As you can see from this map, Diffa is on the opposite side of Niger from Tongo Tongo, where the ambush occurred. Nigerian forces and their American advisers in this region of Niger were not dealing with Boko Haram but instead were working to protect communities from other extremist groups that are active in the region where Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso meet. One of these groups, the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, is suspected of perpetrating the Niger attack.

Do not try to turn Niger into Trump’s Benghazi.
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Crovax said:
The context is similar, Hillary thought that looking at the causes after the fact were unimportant.
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No, she said that the ambassador would still be dead if the CIA did not claim the attack was the result of a video. That is very different. You disagree with that?
In this case it appears to me that those 5 green berets would still be alive if Trump had not stupidly included Chad in the latest Muslim ban causing Chad to remove its forces from Niger and elsewhere in the region. That could very well explain his tardiness in addressing those deaths....guilt.
 
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Absentglare said:
Do you not realize that Chad is next to Niger...?
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I sure do. The ambush occured on the opposite side of Niger from Chad. The area where the Chadians weren't operating.

I posted an article that explains why you're wrong.
 
apdst said:
So much for that conspiracy theory.
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OK Fair enough but as the article after the one you linked says....

It would add insult to injury for us to let this outrage blind ourselves to the bigger questions about how and why these troops died.
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We need a full investigation into this incident. Don't you agree?
 
apdst said:
I sure do. The ambush occured on the opposite side of Niger from Chad. The area where the Chadians weren't operating.

I posted an article that explains why you're wrong.
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Do you suppose that operating with 20-30% of the resources they need and then pissing off our biggest ally in the region might have impacted this botched operation on faulty intelligence where a dozen green berets traveled by pickup truck with no contingency besides a private contractor for extraction who neglected to do a head count, abandoning four soldiers who may have been captured alive before dying?
 
iguanaman said:
OK Fair enough but as the article after the one you linked says....



We need a full investigation into this incident. Don't you agree?
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If you mean some politically driven **** show in Congress, absolutely not.

If you mean an after action review within the chain of command to determine what went right and what went wrong, definitely. That's standard stuff and probably alreasy has taken place.

Whatelse needs to happen, is to find out where those ISIS bastards are holed up and arc light the **** out of the whole area; massive retaliation with maximum violence. Teach those mother****ers to kill our people.
 
Absentglare said:
Do you suppose that operating with 20-30% of the resources they need and then pissing off our biggest ally in the region might have impacted this botched operation on faulty intelligence where a dozen green berets traveled by pickup truck with no contingency besides a private contractor for extraction who neglected to do a head count, abandoning four soldiers who may have been captured alive before dying?
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Where did that number come from?

Are you blaming the troops for this?
 
apdst said:
Where did that number come from?

Are you blaming the troops for this?
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No, i am NOT blaming the troops. The troops are following orders. Ultimately, the civilian leadership is responsible for outlining our deployments and the resources available for those deployments.

Inadequate surveillance, poor supply chain networks and an inefficient personnel-rescue system are putting U.S. forces in Africa at increased risk, U.S. Africa Command warned Thursday.

“These constraints risk our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, Coast Guardsmen, and civilians executing activities on the African continent,” AFRICOM’s Gen. Thomas Waldhauser said in an annual posture statement to Congress.
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For example, only some 20 percent to 30 percent of the command’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance requirements are being met, AFRICOM said.
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Note the date, March 10, 2017.

https://www.stripes.com/news/africom-resource-constraints-add-risk-for-us-forces-in-africa-1.458000
 
You folks need to take a breather and wait for the overall picture to develop.

We have been in Niger for what......4 years now? My question is, why nobody has said anything about having almost a 1000 troops there?

There are too many things here that do not add up. I understand the why, but I am in the dark as to the mission.
 
Absentglare said:
No, i am NOT blaming the troops. The troops are following orders. Ultimately, the civilian leadership is responsible for outlining our deployments and the resources available for those deployments.



Note the date, March 10, 2017.

https://www.stripes.com/news/africom-resource-constraints-add-risk-for-us-forces-in-africa-1.458000
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SF teams don't hit the ground equipped like an infantry division, with seemingly endless resources. The mission in Niger is to assist and advise. It's counter productive to train the local troops to operate with assets that aren't organic to the local command

I see thr date. What about it, other than it's six-month old information? Those conditions didn't begin on 20 January 2017 (I know you're trying to blame President Trump). Those conditions were present in theater well before President Trump was inaugurated.
 
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