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Muscovite ("Russian" ) war on Ukraine

quote--of US dollars

The US gave Ukraine about 5 billion in aid over 15-20 years for development,
health aid, other aid,, but in same period they gave russia over 21 billion
for all the same types of programs, plus money to deactivate nukes..
IE the money given was not to overthrow Yano-asshole..

He just got really greedy ripping off Ukraine and plus took russian loan/bribe
to not sign EU deal, and got folks mad at him, and they demonstrated.
and forced his hand, to have new election or leave, he left..

It wasn't right wing, it was grass roots, the right there didn't pull1 2% in election.
The right wing and nazis in that area of the world are mosty in russia, where they have rallys
of them with hundreds of thousands..Ed
 
quote- post is crap

yes your post is all crap....

Nuland just got really pissed after yano's goon started hurting and killing demonstrators....


quote--Crimea Yanukovich 78.24% Tymoshenko 17.31%
Donetsk region Yanukovich 90.44% Tymoshenko 6.45%
Luhansk region Yanukovich 88.96% Tymoshenko 7.72%

he got these votes because of constant russian propaganda.....


slick your article is crap...


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slick said:
Just what that I offered in my post is crap (FAKE NEWS)? I stand by that post without any fear of RESPONSIBLE contradiction.
BTW unlike you, I have no dog in this fight no Russian or Ukraine ancestry, never went to either country & never intend to!
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Your 'take' on things is straight out of RT. Friends with Margarita Simonyan?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Your 'take' on things is straight out of RT. Friends with Margarita Simonyan?
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Vaguely heard of RT but never checked it out! Margarita Simonyan who is that, sounds like a tennis player from Spain, am I right?

To continue, In earlier times west of the Dneiper was ruled by Poles & Lithuanians!
Why in the world would any self respecting Slav choose to live there, especially since
the Kiev Junta emerged. The west is lead and populated by western slavs joined by
Poles living on Slavic lands.

The freedom fighters realized this & would not stand for it. You should understamd this too.

Kharkiv & Odessa
are decidely Russian. If free elections were held today they would join the
Eastern freedom fighters seperating from the Lviv, Volyn, Ternopil crowd.

Yanukovich Tymoshenko
Kharkiv region 71.35% 22.43%
Odesa region 74.14% 19.52%
 
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FROM EARLY LAST YEAR--

Ukrainians have resurrected their Armed Forces within only 2 years, says Oleksandr Turchynov

The Ukrainian armed forces are becoming one of the most battle-worthy in Europe, the National Security
and Defence Council Secretary Oleksandr Turchynov said on October 14.

"The profession of defender of the Motherland is now one of the most honourable in Ukrainian society, our army
is becoming one of the most efficient in Europe. To stop an enemy, we picked up weapons, and every day the
courageous warriors, the descendants of Cossacks, stand firmly for Ukraine",


AND NOW 3.5 YEARS FROM INVASION UKRAINE HAS

QUARTER MILLION UNDER ARMS PLUS NAT GUARD....

Doesn't sound like they are ready to defect to russia at all...Ed

Are you the same ''slick'' who posts same crappola on FR???
 
Russian defence ministry has drafted a law to ban social media posts by professional
soldiers and other military personnel on security grounds.

The bill says photos, videos and other material uploaded to the internet can reveal military
details useful to an enemy. Automatic geolocation can show where a military unit is deployed.

The bill affects "contract" soldiers, who can be sent abroad, not conscripts.

Russian soldiers' posts have revealed forces deployed to Ukraine...............

For example, in July 2014 the BBC's Myroslava Petsa tweeted an image

of a post by a Russian soldier who proudly reported delivering

Grad rockets to the pro-Russian terrorist rebels in Ukraine

Russian soldiers face ban on selfies and blog posts - BBC News
 
Nov 2016 survey also showed that 57 percent of Ukrainians describe

themselves as having either "cold" or "very cold" feelings toward Russia.

The poll was conducted by the Rating Group Ukraine.

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As an information source about the Donbas conflict, the Ukrainian TV is trusted the most,

and the trust to Russian TV-channels is almost zero

40.4%of surveyed Ukrainians trust Ukrainian national TV-channels as an information source about the
military conflict in Donbas. The trust of East residents to central channels is much lower being 22.2%.

The second trusted source, with large margin, is relatives, friends, neighbors, colleagues(18.8%),
being13.4%in the East. The third place is taken by on-line media17.5% (with 14.2% in the East).

Other media have low trust: radio 5.3% (0.5%in the East), newspapers 3.8% (1.4%in the East),
social networks7.1% (1.9%in the East).

Only 1.3%of respondents all over Ukraine (0.8%in the East) trust Russian TV-channels
as an information source about the military conflict in Donbas.



Don't seem like they are ready to jump to russians and and the terrorists in the east..Ed
 
slick said:
To continue, In earlier times west of the Dneiper was ruled by Poles & Lithuanians! Why in the world would any self respecting Slav choose to live there, especially since the Kiev Junta emerged. The west is lead and populated by western slavs joined by Poles living on Slavic lands. The freedom fighters realized this & would not stand for it. You should understamd this too. Kharkiv & Odessa are decidedly Russian. If free elections were held today they would join the Eastern freedom fighters seperating from the Lviv, Volyn, Ternopil crowd.
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Too bad for you, your Putinista theories don't work in the real world...

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Rogue Valley said:
Too bad for you, your Putinista theories don't work in the real world...

Kandydaty-prez-lidery-2014.jpg
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I was talking about the last legitimate election between the Russian leaning Viktor Yanukovych & the European leaning candidate Yulia Tymoshenko.
Your map concerns an election years after the coup with the breakaway provinces not taking apart. Sometimes I think I'm knee deep in
mental midgets discussing these happenings! kharkov & Odessa which voted overwhelmingly for Yanukovych before the coup had to make do
with the candidates presented to them in 2014 as they were still under Ukie control.

Here are the results
Viktor Yanukovych Party of Regions 12,481,266 48.95
Yulia Tymoshenko All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" 5 11,593,357 45.47
Serhiy Tihipko Self-nominated 3,211,198 13.05
 
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quote- was Russian leaning

But not anymore. that's bad history...invasion drove them away from russia

They ain't reliving the so called ''glorious'' russian past...

Only idiots promote that idea........

Ukraine now has free trade on most goods with EU, free visas,

its economy is booming, it hosted Eurivision, It produces and buys

so much cheap gas it hasn't used russia's expensive stuff for two years..


Nov 2016 survey also showed that 57 percent of Ukrainians describe

themselves as having either "cold" or "very cold" feelings toward Russia.

The poll was conducted by the Rating Group Ukraine.

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As an information source about the Donbas conflict, the Ukrainian TV is trusted the most,

and the trust to Russian TV-channels is almost zero

40.4%of surveyed Ukrainians trust Ukrainian national TV-channels as an information source about the
military conflict in Donbas. The trust of East residents to central channels is much lower being 22.2%.


Only 1.3%of respondents all over Ukraine (0.8%in the East) trust Russian TV-channels
as an information source about the military conflict in Donbas.
 
Data provided by Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, with Russians constituting 17 percent of
the Ukrainian population, the large part that is free, only 5 percent of those polled considered
themselves exclusively Russian: the rest gave their identity as both Russian and Ukrainian.

Even those who considered themselves exclusively Russian often opposed Russian interference in Ukrainian affairs,
refusing to associate themselves with Putin’s regime. “Ukraine is my Homeland. Russian is my native language.

And I would like to be saved by Pushkin. And delivered from sorrow and unrest, also by Pushkin.........

Pushkin, not Putin,” wrote one of Kyiv’s ethnic Russians in her Facebook account.....Ed
 
Oh yes, slick about the lopsided vote you say shows russia leaning voters,

IN reality it showed two extra things, one, some voters not wanting women in politics.....

And second dirty politics by yano made her a bad candidate. He trumped

up charges against her about the gas deal she did for Ukraine with russia,

when she was prime minister.. When the deal she made, IT was what yano

and the other oligarchs wanted, IE, she was set up with putins help....

So we have a person losing because of russia and its puppets in Ukraine,

which is being used by russia to claim voters love russia...

kinda of a silly claim, but Ukrainians have wised up about ten times,

and they are not ''babes in the woods '' so to speak, about what

russia and its agents in UKR are doing, and its trolls are doing.......Ed


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Ukrainians have wised up about ten times and they are not ''babes in the woods '' anymore,

about what russia and its agents are doing, and many forgot the terrible past........

IE; the underlying, historical characteristic — — forever separates Ukranians and russians... Stalin.

In 1932, Stalin and his forces perpetuated a famine known as "Holodomor," meaning "death by hunger."

As a communist leader, Stalin wanted to curtail the country's growing independence

(declared for first time in 1918). He considered farmers, as capitalists and, therefore, anti-socialist.

Consequently, Stalin instituted "dekulakization," seizing family estates and imposing heavy grain taxes.

He hoped not only to feed his growing forces but also to force Ukraine to adopt Soviet ideals.


No one knows the exact number of Ukrainians who died, but historians estimate anywhere

from 5 million to 8 million people were starved to death.....Ed


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585HubelExpress said:
Nov 2016 survey also showed that 57 percent of Ukrainians describe

themselves as having either "cold" or "very cold" feelings toward Russia.

The poll was conducted by the Rating Group Ukraine.

-----------------------------------------------------

As an information source about the Donbas conflict, the Ukrainian TV is trusted the most,

and the trust to Russian TV-channels is almost zero

40.4%of surveyed Ukrainians trust Ukrainian national TV-channels as an information source about the
military conflict in Donbas. The trust of East residents to central channels is much lower being 22.2%.

The second trusted source, with large margin, is relatives, friends, neighbors, colleagues(18.8%),
being13.4%in the East. The third place is taken by on-line media17.5% (with 14.2% in the East).

Other media have low trust: radio 5.3% (0.5%in the East), newspapers 3.8% (1.4%in the East),
social networks7.1% (1.9%in the East).

Only 1.3%of respondents all over Ukraine (0.8%in the East) trust Russian TV-channels
as an information source about the military conflict in Donbas.



Don't seem like they are ready to jump to russians and and the terrorists in the east..Ed
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The Donbass conflict was over a long time ago at Debaltseve:

The commander or commanders responsible for sending the Ukraine army into Debaltseve should be court marshaled.
The commanders are at a military level of kindergarten and destroying the army's morale.They are unfit to command
at this level of combat or any level in the military.Why would they send the army into Debaltseve without strong
artillery support and the Ukraine army giving them support on at least three sides.They were sitting ducks in the
center of Debaltseve without any logistical support and the Ukraine army was trapped there.
 
Grampa sez--The Donbass invasion is still going on, and russia has sent so much

equipment in there, that the place has the largest equipment stash in all

of Europe.. Now little Ukraine still has that vaunted russian/terrorist military

bottled up in the measly 5-6% of the the country they have had from the start.

Reason.............courage and strength, in spite of a few setbacks, and russia

is losing 4 times as many men. Ed
 
585HubelExpress said:
quote- was Russian leaning

But not anymore. that's bad history...invasion drove them away from russia

They ain't reliving the so called ''glorious'' russian past...

Only idiots promote that idea........

Ukraine now has free trade on most goods with EU, free visas,

its economy is booming, it hosted Eurivision, It produces and buys

so much cheap gas it hasn't used russia's expensive stuff for two years..


Nov 2016 survey also showed that 57 percent of Ukrainians describe

themselves as having either "cold" or "very cold" feelings toward Russia.

The poll was conducted by the Rating Group Ukraine.

-----------------------------------------------------

As an information source about the Donbas conflict, the Ukrainian TV is trusted the most,

and the trust to Russian TV-channels is almost zero

40.4%of surveyed Ukrainians trust Ukrainian national TV-channels as an information source about the
military conflict in Donbas. The trust of East residents to central channels is much lower being 22.2%.


Only 1.3%of respondents all over Ukraine (0.8%in the East) trust Russian TV-channels
as an information source about the military conflict in Donbas.
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@Only 1.3%of respondents all over Ukraine (0.8%in the East) trust Russian TV-channels
as an information source about the military conflict in Donbas.


the vatniks are less than 1% , = Muscovy has 0 chance in the eastern Ukraine

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About the little lady in my picture, she got her fathers medal posthumously,

for saving many of his comrades before being killed in the battle by russians ,,,,Ed
 
585HubelExpress said:
About the little lady in my picture, she got her fathers medal posthumously,

for saving many of his comrades before being killed in the battle by russians ,,,,Ed
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"
It's Time For Trump To Call Ukraine's 'Pro-"Russian" Rebels' What They Are: "Russian" Invaders




Donald Trump’s interview with FoxNews’ Bill O’Reilly during the halftime at Sunday’s Super Bowl has been ridiculed as the ramblings of an uninformed President. In the interview, Trump appropriately refused to take O’Reilly’s bait to label Vladimir Putin a murderer (and basically rule out any negotiations) but followed, inappropriately, with strained moral equivalence on state murder. Then Trump honed in on his key question concerning Vladimir Putin, the Ukraine war and upcoming negotiations:

Bill O'Reilly: But within 24 hours of you on the phone with the Russian leader, the pro-Russian forces step up the violence in Ukraine.

Donald Trump: Yes.

O'Reilly: Did you take that as an insult?

Trump: No I didn't because we don't really know exactly what that is. They're pro-Russian forces. We don't know if they're uncontrollable? Are they uncontrollable? That happens also. We're going to find out [my italics]. I will be surprised, but we will see.

In his response, President Trump raised the key question, which those seeking to counter Russia in the east Ukraine war have judiciously avoided. Although we know that the “pro-Russian” forces fight with Russian equipment, Russian mercenaries and general propaganda support, we maintain a convenient pretense that the “rebels”, “insurgents,” “separatists” or whatever the press calls them, make their own political, military and economic decisions. If true, the “pro-Russian” forces are, in Trump’s words, “uncontrollable,” and Russia can only be asked to “put pressure” on its Ukrainian clients, which they can resist or cave in to. In this case, Russia is entitled to sit as a “peacemaker” and not as an aggressor in peace negotiations.

Contrariwise, if we know that Russia gives the “pro-Russian” forces, both civil and military, their marching orders and uses its own regular troops directed by their own commanders in combat, Russia is the aggressor, not a peace mediator, and should be treated as such when Trump and Putin meet. Trump is on mark to demand an answer from the intelligence and academic communities to this question.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...-what-they-are-russian-invaders/#2aedf1369694
 
quote--It's Time For Trump ..

And also those here in US supporting or are indifferent ,

to shun russia, loudly denounce russia, send those weapons for perfect defense.....

Folks if that was done the actions of russia and and terrorists would collapse,

IE they are getting their strength from support/indifference here in the US...............Ed
 
585HubelExpress said:
quote--It's Time For Trump ..

And also those here in US supporting or are indifferent ,

to shun russia, loudly denounce russia, send those weapons for perfect defense.....

Folks if that was done the actions of russia and and terrorists would collapse,

IE they are getting their strength from support/indifference here in the US...............Ed
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Vice made on this subject a series of reports under name "Russian" Roulette"




Watch: Rebel Soldiers Hold the Buffer Zone: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 109) - Rebel Soldiers Hold the Buffer Zone: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 109) | VICE News Watch: On The DNR Frontline: Ukraine's Failed Ceasefire (Part 1) - On The DNR Frontline: Ukraine's Failed Ceasefire (Part 1) | VICE News Read: Ukraine's President Bans Journalists From The Country — Then Changes His Mind - Ukraine's President Bans Journalists From The Country ? Then Changes His Mind | VICE News Subscribe to VICE News here: VICE News - YouTube
 
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