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Remains Of Missing USS John S. McCain Sailors Recovered

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Remains Of Missing USS John S. McCain Sailors Recovered


August 28, 2017

CAMP PENDLETON, CA – Navy and Marine Corps divers have found the bodies of all 10 sailors who died in a collision aboard the USS John S. McCain last week in the South China Sea, the Navy announced. The bodies were discovered the same day the San Diego-based amphibious assault ship USS America departed Singapore after concluding its support for the damaged McCain, the 505-foot guided-missile destroyer that crashed Aug. 21 with the 600-foot oil tanker Alnic MC. Camp Pendleton-based Marine divers were among those searching the McCain for the bodies of the missing sailors. Earlier in the week, divers found the bodies of Electronics Technician 3rd Class Kenneth Aaron Smith, 22, of Cherry Hill, New Jersey, and Electronics Technician 3rd Class Dustin Louis Doyon, 26, of Suffield, Connecticut.

On Sunday, the bodies of the other eight were discovered. They were Electronics Technician 1st Class Charles Nathan Findley, 31, from Amazonia, Missouri; Interior Communications Electrician 1st Class Abraham Lopez, 39, from El Paso, Texas; Electronics Technician 2nd Class Kevin Sayer Bushell, 26, from Gaithersburg, Maryland; Electronics Technician 2nd Class Jacob Daniel Drake, 21, from Cable, Ohio; Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Timothy Thomas Eckels Jr., 23, from Manchester, Maryland; Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Corey George Ingram, 28, from Poughkeepsie, New York; Electronics Technician 3rd Class John Henry Hoagland III, 20, from Killeen, Texas; and Interior Communications Electrician 3rd Class Logan Stephen Palmer, 23, from Decatur, Illinois.

Camp Pendleton-based Marine helicopters also joined Navy helicopters from the America in searching for the sailors in the water, the Navy said. The America was the first U.S. warship to come to the aid of the McCain. The San Diego-based ship was stationed across the dock from the McCain and provided berthing for 155 sailors, daily supplies, counseling, medical and dental services and communications support, Navy officials said. Sailors aboard America also assisted with damage control efforts by providing additional watch- keeping personnel and extra equipment. Sailors and flight crews from the America also coordinated with authorities in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and Australia in an open-ocean search for the missing McCain crew that spanned over 2,100 square miles. All 10 of the bodies were ultimately found on the ship. The McCain collision was the second recent fatal collision in the Navy's Pacific-based 7th Fleet following a June crash involving the USS Fitzgerald that killed seven sailors, including two San Diego County men. Those collisions prompted the Navy to change leadership of the 7th Fleet and launch an in-depth inquiry into what has gone wrong in the Pacific Fleet.

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RIP - I wish you fair winds and following seas on your new journey
 
Tragic. But good work to the Navy and Marine divers. Now at least the families can lay them to rest.
 
Tragic. But good work to the Navy and Marine divers. Now at least the families can lay them to rest.

Maybe someone should tell Donny this something he should be addressing ... and not on Twitter.
 
Let's get them home and respected, but then we need to set to work figuring out how badly our military has been wrecked.
 
Let's get them home and respected, but then we need to set to work figuring out how badly our military has been wrecked.

Over worked with missions, and this has lead to less training. The Pentagon has been warned of this for years.
 
Maybe someone should tell Donny this something he should be addressing ... and not on Twitter.

He did. To the fallen AND to those conducting the recovery. It was in his Afghanistan speech.
 
Over worked with missions, and this has lead to less training. The Pentagon has been warned of this for years.

As I recall they were warned like a decade ago that this would be the result of letting the Navy get this small without massively cutting the missions.

But also I believe that they have wrecked the officer corps by promoting the wrong people, and the fact that Washington refuses to do budgets and stick to them anymore has acted like a hammer on morale and state of good repair....as any idiot would expect.

Everyone to include the so-called journalists have looked the other way..... and now people are dying as a result, now we are losing even more boats (Or are they ships..I can never remember Navy Lingo) that should not have been lost.
 
He did. To the fallen AND to those conducting the recovery. It was in his Afghanistan speech.

Plus the transgender thing and other cancelling of OBAMA policy is an attempt to get command time back on the stuff that matters most.
 
As I recall they were warned like a decade ago that this would be the result of letting the Navy get this small without massively cutting the missions.

But also I believe that they have wrecked the officer corps by promoting the wrong people, and the fact that Washington refuses to do budgets and stick to them anymore has acted like a hammer on morale and state of good repair....as any idiot would expect.

Everyone to include the so-called journalists have looked the other way..... and now people are dying as a result, now we are losing even more boats (Or are they ships..I can never remember Navy Lingo) that should not have been lost.

Oh it was in the news, it was reported upon on a number of occasions. Now they hang a Vice Admiral for what all Senior Command Officers knew what was coming.
 
Oh it was in the news, it was reported upon on a number of occasions. Now they hang a Vice Admiral for what all Senior Command Officers knew what was coming.

Ya but.....

I noticed, but overall I am correct.
 
Let's get them home and respected, but then we need to set to work figuring out how badly our military has been wrecked.

Let's get them home and respected before taking cheap political shots.... :roll:

Yeah the Navy never lost/damaged a ship before... :peace
 
Let's get them home and respected before taking cheap political shots.... :roll:

Yeah the Navy never lost/damaged a ship before... :peace

Sounding the alarm about our broken military is not by an stretch a "cheap political shot".

As you should know.
 
I'm glad they recovered the remains. At least the families can now lay them to rest properly.
 
Ya but.....

I noticed, but overall I am correct.

No you are not.
Civilian oversight of the Military.
The pres says do, they say yes Sir
 
Sounding the alarm about our broken military is not by an stretch a "cheap political shot". As you should know.

It certainly is in the same post mourning the dead, who have not even been buried, from someone who didn't serve and has zero understanding of the risks those in the service volunteer to face. Throw in a complete lack of history on the sadly routine losses all branches suffer, even in 'peace time'.

Look up the SS Cochino, SSN Scorpion, SS Stickleback, SSN Thresher, SSN Guitarro, SS Bonefish, SSN Miami. Was our military broken then?

By my count 11 other ships have been lost since WWII, seems our Navy has been 'broken' using your civilian, highly biased yardstick.

It's too simple and too cheap to claim these deaths on a wrecked Navy... :peace
 
It certainly is in the same post mourning the dead, who have not even been buried, from someone who didn't serve and has zero understanding of the risks those in the service volunteer to face. Throw in a complete lack of history on the sadly routine losses all branches suffer, even in 'peace time'.

Look up the SS Cochino, SSN Scorpion, SS Stickleback, SSN Thresher, SSN Guitarro, SS Bonefish, SSN Miami. Was our military broken then?

By my count 11 other ships have been lost since WWII, seems our Navy has been 'broken' using your civilian, highly biased yardstick.

It's too simple and too cheap to claim these deaths on a wrecked Navy... :peace

Those who agreed to risk their lives and be gone from their families FOR US! are dead because Washington is broken and too few Americans give a ****.

I am pissed, I have a right to be pissed, and I have no intention of waiting for the mandated Victim Celebration Holiday From Reality period to be over before I speak my mind.

I understand some people have a problem with that, to the point that I get punished for not going along with the Victim Culture ceremonies.

I will take what ever lumps fools feel the need to give me for my failure to conform with the herd.

I am the smart one in this argument.

I AM RIGHT
 
People are dead because Washington is broken and too few Americans give a ****. I am pissed, I have a right to be pissed, and I have no intention of waiting for the mandated Victim Celebration Holiday From Reality period to be over before I speak my mind. I understand some people have a problem with that, to the point that I get punished for not going along with the Victim Culture ceremonies. I will take what ever lumps fools feel the need to give me for my failure to conform with the herd. I am the smart one in this argument. I AM RIGHT

You are bringing partisan politics into a RIP thread... you are in no danger of being punished like you were in no danger doing what those sailors do every day at sea.

You spout empty rhetoric about taking internet lumps... :roll:

You maybe rabid right , but you ain't correct... :peace
 
You are bringing partisan politics into a RIP thread... you are in no danger of being punished like you were in no danger doing what those sailors do every day at sea.

You spout empty rhetoric about taking internet lumps... :roll:

You maybe rabid right , but you ain't correct... :peace

A functioning political system and a well run military are not in the least bit about such a cheap thing.

As you should know.

You are wrong.

DEAL
 
Maybe someone should tell Donny this something he should be addressing ... and not on Twitter.

Yeah, just think of the tremendous propaganda value in this. The US could be milking this for years.
 
God's speed to the ten dead sailors and my sympathy to their families and close friends for having to endure the sacrifice of these fine young men. Honour them now and then find out why they died, when the dead are at rest.

Very respectfully.
Evilroddy.
 
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