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Another oops

Pacific fleet is on operational pause due to multiple serious incidents.
 
katzgar said:
"a failure in basic seamanship" The fourth failure in 6 months. North Korea will win by default. Time for **** to roll uphill.
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Amen Brother!!!

Scuttlebutt/CT is talking about the ships navigation and other systems being hacked, maybe like what happened to the Donald Cook in the Black Sea last summer. Time will tell.
 
She reported losing steering three minutes before the Collision
 
katzgar said:
go to google news and pick one and click on the story. It is by the picture of a destroyer.
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Got it. Google story with picture.
 
Lovebug said:
Not my business, but if you give us a hint about the story and let us know whatcha want to discuss right away, you'd save a lot of keystrokes after the fact ... :)
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am not necessarily hoping to discuss anything, just posting info
 
With so many accidents in such a short time there are very serious deficiencies that
need immediate attention. I think it's critical to bring some experts from outside the Navy
to look at what has happened.

From a operational stand point the Navy has 2 vital ship's that will be out out of service
at a time the United States can not afford that.

The loss of life in the accidents is devastating for the Navy. I think 17 sailors have been killed.
That by any standard is completely unacceptable.
 
katzgar said:
you have a need to divert from navy incompetence but it wont work
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Incompetence within the federal government is not new - what is new is the idea that we need much more of it. ;)
 
Common Sense 1 said:
With so many accidents in such a short time there are very serious deficiencies that
need immediate attention. I think it's critical to bring some experts from outside the Navy
to look at what has happened.

From a operational stand point the Navy has 2 vital ship's that will be out out of service
at a time the United States can not afford that.

The loss of life in the accidents is devastating for the Navy. I think 17 sailors have been killed.
That by any standard is completely unacceptable.
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While I understand you sentiment, who did you think has more knowlege and experience sailing modern warships then the US Navy. I think that this has either been just some major runs of bad luck that just happened so close together or something seriously wrong is going on within the Navy. Just don't know who is best to identify the problems other then the Navy itself
 
Fledermaus said:
Yes. My post can be considered not to be useful.

Since you refuse to learn from the lesson presented I failed at instructing you on how to post in a way others understand.
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As long as you understand your failure that's all we can hope for
 
Fledermaus said:
You seem like a person who refuses to learn from you mistake and would rather try to derail the discussion.
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Menu the discussion that you said never existed come on figure out which lie you're going with
 
braindrain said:
And you still continue to run away. How pathetic.


And there is no diversion. They screwed up. Those in command and any found responsible will lose their careers.

Now quit being a coward and answer the questions.
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Your post is not to me but I here take a liberty to point out that not everyone is being held accountable even after this. At least so far. Which also means the Navy's silence and inaction needs a serious examination.

7th Fleet Destroyer Squadron 15 has lost two of its 8 DDG ships in four months to collisions. A tanker in each instance, each instance being a basic broadside ramming amidships and below the waterline. Two DDG lost constitute 25% of the Desron 15 force. Worse is the loss of life onboard each DDG.

However, Desron 15 commodore (as they call 'em) Capt. Jeffrey A. Bennett USNA is still in command of Desron 15.

In the meantime Commander of 7th Fleet has been scuttled by USN command. So was the commanding officer relieved of the first rammed DDG the Fitzgerald and the executive officer and the command master chief relieved -- gone, gone, gone and gone. Yet Desron 15 "commodore" Capt. Bennett is still, well, the commodore.

It is also the case Desron 15 commodore Capt. Bennett was at one time a defense fellow detached to the office of then Sen. Jeff Sessions. We recall J.B. Sessions is currently attorney general of the USA. Maybe USN has recused itself in the matter of Capt. Bennett whose command of Desron 15 seems to center on getting his DDGs rammed by tankers and his sailors killed. And in a short order besides, i.e., inside of four months of forward deployment.

I for one need instead to hear the riot act being read to commodore Capt. Bennett while his buttons get snipped. And the USN rank torn off his shoulders. The guy has the loss of life of 17 sailors with others injured on his watch yet he continues to sit on his perch.
 
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Fledermaus said:
I failed at teaching you, as have others.

In a way it is really your failure to learn.
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katzgar said:
You seem like the kind of person that owns a lot of guns
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Fledermaus said:
You seem like a person who refuses to learn from you mistake and would rather try to derail the discussion.
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Citizens in the democracy have the inherent right and responsibility to discuss their military and their armed forces.

The discussion, the discourse and its participants are not exclusively the domain of career military to permit or to deny. Nor is any such discussion the exclusive domain of rightwingers. Nor are veterans on the right the self-appointed gatekeepers they demand to be.

The OP is about the USN and the 7th Fleet and collisions by destroyers of the Fleet's Destroyer Force 15 with tankers in the area of the Fleet's area of operations, i.e., the western Pacific. The discussion is not about the original poster, i.e., whether or not he meets your approval or acceptance in your club. The discussion is about the topic, not whether the OP is approved or disapproved by a self-appointed military elite that is apart from the larger and the general society.

Career military do not decide who can discuss them. Citizens decide when they want to get involved in a particular matter. It is in the Constitution youse swore to preserve, protect, defend.
 
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