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Military Officers Right To Disobey Trump Nuclear Issues & War

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Sorry sport, you lost me with the last paragraph. It was not rational enough to waste time on.


Your arguing a point is challenging enough for you plus we see you are not challenging the retired Admiral Blair in his firsthand knowledge and mastery of the protocols of a nuclear weapons launch. The 4-star admiral was after all launch control commander of the land based nuclear arsenal from the command center of the U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt AFB in Nebraska. Right in the middle of all the silos.

You conversely posted a wild and wrongheaded misimpression of it based on what -- a career as a lifer NCO rightwinger?

Did you retire as an E-7 too btw.

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Another long diatribe fulled with ad hominem and lies,

Why are you driven to lie?

I pointed out a very clear and blatant lie your prior post. You know thw truth but then lie.

That isn't simply a disagreement or a difference of opinion. It is a lie. Just as you have repeatedly lied about my service, the service record of others, the AVF, NCOs, etc., etc.


More rote regurgitating of an article that the OP likely does not fathom.

The final three paragraphs is ignorant opinion no officer would ever post.


Why do you continue to try to disparage everyone who has served since 1945?

What other than hatred would drive you to lie and libel as you do?



Sergeant Fledermaus Groundhog Day 9/20/17 Continued

1250 hrs DP Timewarp

I'd welcome an argument of some positive presentation rather than 3000 posts by you over the past ten months of the same same dog chasing his tail madness.

It is true unfortunately that some certain veterans get stressed out to then become further distressed, to soon become overwrought, all of which can make 'em deep dive into rote recitations. It can occur at anytime and it can last indefinitely. One dead giveaway is the thousand mile stare that starts coming out of 'em. Right into the computer screen too as they pound the keyboard.

Rinse and repeat.

Then spin.

Never mind actually.

The Sergeant "Mad Dog" Fledermaus Hundred Years War is indeed unique. General Mattis you are not however eh. SecDef Mattis btw is not in an idle retirement. And he interacts well with others. James Mattis is indeed an officer and a gentleman. You Fledermaus are on the other hand a career lifer nco retired rightwinger gone OTT.
 
Your arguing a point is challenging enough for you plus we see you are not challenging the retired Admiral Blair in his firsthand knowledge and mastery of the protocols of a nuclear weapons launch. The 4-star admiral was after all launch control commander of the land based nuclear arsenal from the command center of the U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt AFB in Nebraska. Right in the middle of all the silos.

You conversely posted a wild and wrongheaded misimpression of it based on what -- a career as a lifer NCO rightwinger?

Did you retire as an E-7 too btw.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Don't blame others for your inability to be rational.
 

Sergeant Fledermaus Groundhog Day 9/20/17 Continued

1250 hrs DP Timewarp

I'd welcome an argument of some positive presentation rather than 3000 posts by you over the past ten months of the same same dog chasing his tail madness.

It is true unfortunately that some certain veterans get stressed out to then become further distressed, to soon become overwrought, all of which can make 'em deep dive into rote recitations. It can occur at anytime and it can last indefinitely. One dead giveaway is the thousand mile stare that starts coming out of 'em. Right into the computer screen too as they pound the keyboard.

Rinse and repeat.

Then spin.

Never mind actually.

The Sergeant "Mad Dog" Fledermaus Hundred Years War is indeed unique. General Mattis you are not however eh. SecDef Mattis btw is not in an idle retirement. And he interacts well with others. James Mattis is indeed an officer and a gentleman. You Fledermaus are on the other hand a career lifer nco retired rightwinger gone OTT.

Anther ad hominem and lie filled post.
 
I have to dedicate a song to a former military officer in this forum. While I don't personally know him, his posts lead me to believe this fits and fits him well. It goes way back. It's from Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler. Funny thing is that he was just an E-6 after 9 years in two branches of the service. I wonder if you would consider him to be a right wing NCO lifer.

 
Pardon me sergeant for thinking, reflecting, analyzing and for doing it over a lengthy period of decades. Here I cite Major Danny Sjursen who is a respected Army strategist and former history instructor at West Point. Major Sjursen served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All the same I have to apologize for my sketchy editing of his excellent piece....


This US Military Officer Explains Why America’s Middle East Wars Have Been Utter Failures


Hint: The foundational narrative is the problem


The United States has already lost—its war for the Middle East, that is. Unfortunately, it’s evidently still not clear in Washington. Bush’s neo-imperial triumphalism failed. Obama’s quiet shift to drones, Special Forces, and clandestine executive actions didn’t turn the tide either. For all President Trump’s bluster, boasting, and threats, rest assured that, at best, he’ll barely move the needle and, at worst… but why even go there?

At this point, it’s at least reasonable to look back and ask yet again: Why the failure? Explanations abound, of course. Perhaps Americans were simply never tough enough and still need to take off the kid gloves. Maybe there just weren’t ever enough troops. (Bring back the draft!) Maybe all those hundreds of thousands of bombs and missiles just came up short. (So how about lots more of them, maybe even a nuke?)

Lead from the front. Lead from behind. Surge yet again… The list goes on—and on and on.

And by now all of it, including Donald Trump’s recent tough talk, represents such a familiar set of tunes. But what if the problem is far deeper and more fundamental than any of that?

The Gulf War had been an anomaly. Triumphalist conclusions about it rested on the shakiest of foundations. Only if an enemy fought exactly as the US military preferred it to do, as indeed Saddam’s forces did in 1991—conventionally, in open desert, with outdated Soviet equipment—could the US expect such success. Americans drew another conclusion entirely: that their military was unstoppable.

Needed is some fresh thinking about our militarized version of foreign policy and just maybe an urge, after all these years, to do so much less. Patriotic fables certainly feel good, but they achieve little. My advice: Dare to be discomfited.


https://www.thenation.com/article/a...-in-the-middle-east-have-been-utter-failures/


That my views do not comport absolutely with yours sergeant does not make you a liar (not necessarily). Rather, the fact of differing views is entirely a matter of brain size based on rank and qualifications. The reality includes the factor of time in service, i.e., the longer an nco is in the military the more likely it is he will lead with his big arse and his small brain. Loudly besides to include interminably.
 
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I have to dedicate a song to a former military officer in this forum. While I don't personally know him, his posts lead me to believe this fits and fits him well. It goes way back. It's from Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler. Funny thing is that he was just an E-6 after 9 years in two branches of the service. I wonder if you would consider him to be a right wing NCO lifer.




I remember well the actual Ballard of the Green Berets as the hot hit popular with everyone while I was in transitioning to active Army from uni senior Rotc. Just about all of us were seduced by it.

Sadler wasn't a lifer as he had four years with the Air Force, and five years with the Army as a Green Beret medic in The Nam. What wuz obvious is that Barry Sadler led a wild life....


On December 1, 1978, at about 11 p.m., Sadler killed a country music songwriter named Lee Emerson Bellamy with one gunshot to the head.[3] The shooting was the culmination of a month-long dispute the men had concerning Darlene Sharpe, who was Bellamy's former girlfriend, and Sadler's lover at the time. Bellamy made many harassing telephone calls to Sadler and Sharpe, had one violent confrontation in a Nashville bar's parking lot, and threatened both their lives.

On the night in question, Bellamy made several harassing telephone calls, including one to the Natchez Trace Restaurant where Sadler and Sharpe were having dinner and drinks with two friends. That resulted in Sadler asking a bartender to telephone the police, who never responded. Bellamy later went to Sharpe's apartment complex and knocked on the door. Sadler exited through a side door. On seeing Sadler, Bellamy fled to his van. It was at this time, Sadler testified, that he saw a flash of metal. Believing it to be a gun, he fired one shot. The bullet struck Bellamy right between the eyes, and he died several hours later in a Nashville hospital. It turned out that Bellamy was unarmed. According to court records, Sadler had then placed a handgun in Bellamy's van, presumably to strengthen his claim of self-defense. After a plea bargain, on June 1, 1979, Sadler was convicted of voluntary manslaughter for the death of Lee Emerson Bellamy, and sentenced to from 4 to 5 years in prison. His legal team worked to lower the sentence, which a judge reduced to just 30 days in the county workhouse. He served 28 days. Sadler was sued for wrongful death by Bellamy's stepson, and was ordered to pay compensation of about $10,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sadler


Sadler accidentally shot himself in the head while sitting in a taxi in Guatemala City in 1984. Sadler died in 1989 after surgery and vegetating at a couple of VA hospitals. As we know, some certain veterans have some and various problems. RIP.
 
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Sadler accidentally shot himself in the head while sitting in a taxi in Guatemala City in 1984. Sadler died in 1989 after surgery and vegetating at a couple of VA hospitals. As we know, some certain veterans have some and various problems. RIP.

Allegedly, he accidentally shot himself in the head. Another explanation was that he was assassinated.
 
Don't blame others for your inability to be rational.

Your 3000 posts to me directly and exclusively over ten months and a dozen threads in nearly a thousand pages is the antithesis of rationality. You are a veteran who needs intervention and professional help.



Anther ad hominem and lie filled post.

Unrelenting and obsessive character assassin.

You need to get over yourself.

First thing is to recognize you have a problem. A profound problem.
 
Allegedly, he accidentally shot himself in the head. Another explanation was that he was assassinated.


There are just too many different explanations explaining the guy.

S/Sgt Barry Sadler was a hard case.

In The Nam he walked into an enemy stick covered with feces that went right into his knee. Back in the States he shot an unarmed nutcase then planted a gun in the guy's car. Wuz convicted of voluntary manslaughter, got sued by the family and had to pay out big bucks. To escape that he went to Guatemala City where by your account someone tried to murder him by shooting him in the head -- what, with Sadler's own gun?

Trying to explain the explanations that conflict with other explanations needs too much explaining. You might want to stick with your commission as an officer of artillery where you shoot 'em from far away. Firing off artillery and playing horseshoes have a lot in common eh. You are anyway familiar with the old saying that is true, i.e., that the most accurate artillery fire is friendly fire onto your own infantry. History is replete with it as you well know.

Have a nice day Major.

Retired.

Yes, you know the rest of it.
 
Your 3000 posts to me directly and exclusively over ten months and a dozen threads in nearly a thousand pages is the antithesis of rationality. You are a veteran who needs intervention and professional help.





Unrelenting and obsessive character assassin.

You need to get over yourself.

First thing is to recognize you have a problem. A profound problem.

First paragraph. Does not in anway address the post quoted. Ad hominem.

Subsequent lines are ad hominem mixed with projection.

Why do you feel the need to insult veterans in the majority of your posts?
 
To escape that he went to Guatemala City where by your account someone tried to murder him by shooting him in the head -- what, with Sadler's own gun?

Trying to explain the explanations that conflict with other explanations needs too much explaining. You might want to stick with your commission as an officer of artillery where you shoot 'em from far away. Firing off artillery and playing horseshoes have a lot in common eh. You are anyway familiar with the old saying that is true, i.e., that the most accurate artillery fire is friendly fire onto your own infantry. History is replete with it as you well know.

Have a nice day Major.

Retired.

Yes, you know the rest of it.

I've only been active on this forum for a short period of time and already your posts have made it clear to me why you have so much difficulty. I will use a different tact than the others. I am sorry that you cannot read and comprehend my posts. I am sorry that you feel that you have to lie in your posts. And I'm sorry that you feel that being a field artillery officer in the US Army is an insult. You must really be a hero... in your own mind. Yes, it is true, I only retired as a major. However, I also made E-5p in only four years prior to the sixteen that I served as an officer. However, I do not have to justify my E/O grade to you.

While you belittle my service, I was combat injured on a patrol. I wrote two letters that day. I am willing to bet that you have never had to write a letter. There is a lot more to field artillery than cannon cocking and rocket launching.

I just do not believe that you are worthy of conversation. Once I figure out the steps involved, you will be the first to make my ignore list. I am not sure what your rank was when you retired from the service, if you retired but I feel sorry for those who were in your command. I am sure every day they thought about just how they could frag you and get away with it. When you walked away, I am sure they were muttering under their breath.

There is little doubt in my mind that if you were in the field at all, it was in an air conditioned CP, while those under your command stood watch outside in the heat. Good day.
 
I've only been active on this forum for a short period of time and already your posts have made it clear to me why you have so much difficulty. I will use a different tact than the others. I am sorry that you cannot read and comprehend my posts. I am sorry that you feel that you have to lie in your posts. And I'm sorry that you feel that being a field artillery officer in the US Army is an insult. You must really be a hero... in your own mind. Yes, it is true, I only retired as a major. However, I also made E-5p in only four years prior to the sixteen that I served as an officer. However, I do not have to justify my E/O grade to you.

While you belittle my service, I was combat injured on a patrol. I wrote two letters that day. I am willing to bet that you have never had to write a letter. There is a lot more to field artillery than cannon cocking and rocket launching.

I just do not believe that you are worthy of conversation. Once I figure out the steps involved, you will be the first to make my ignore list. I am not sure what your rank was when you retired from the service, if you retired but I feel sorry for those who were in your command. I am sure every day they thought about just how they could frag you and get away with it. When you walked away, I am sure they were muttering under their breath.

There is little doubt in my mind that if you were in the field at all, it was in an air conditioned CP, while those under your command stood watch outside in the heat. Good day.

He claims four years ROTC and four years in The Old Guard and no other units.

All while displaying little of the military knowledge one would expect from someone who served.
 
I've only been active on this forum for a short period of time and already your posts have made it clear to me why you have so much difficulty. <<snip due to word count>> Yes, it is true, I only retired as a major. However, I also made E-5p in only four years prior to the sixteen that I served as an officer. However, I do not have to justify my E/O grade to you.

While you belittle my service, I was combat injured on a patrol. I wrote two letters that day. I am willing to bet that you have never had to write a letter. <<snip>>

<<snip>> I am not sure what your rank was when you retired from the service, if you retired but I feel sorry for those who were in your command. I am sure every day they thought about just how they could frag you and get away with it. When you walked away, I am sure they were muttering under their breath.

There is little doubt in my mind that if you were in the field at all, it was in an air conditioned CP, while those under your command stood watch outside in the heat. Good day.


Well Major and with all due respect, while Barry Sadler wuz his own kind of hard case I've read a couple of your posts that present hard luck stories about why you did not get promoted. All the same, you made major for which I congratulate you because it is a significant rank to attain. In Army combat commands getting major is a very big deal indeed. That you started out as EP for four years and got passed over three times (as captain) is not a matter of shame but rather of circumstance and it is situational.

When I was commissioned butterbar in 1966 the Army-wide promotion schedule for all junior officers with a baccalaureate was 1-1-2 (one-one-two for the unitiated, just as infantry is 11 one-one and artillery is 13 one-three etc). One year as 2Lt, one year as 2LT, two years as captain. After my four years obligation I got out as captain and after two years in grade, same as the qualified others. For those captains who stayed in, which were a good number of 'em, they then had to deal with the profound challenges of being promoted to major. Of course, the higher up we go the fewer availabilities there are for promotion. Additionally, and I only make mention of it for the record because you and others well know, while a battalion needs one LTC (possibly two), a btn needs eight or ten captains (or even a few more), and many more lieutenants than captains.

You seem unaware as a recent active poster I was in the Army ceremonial unit at Ft. Myer Va across the Potomac for all 48 months of my active duty service. The unit is of course the 3rd Infantry Regiment, The Old Guard of the Army. It was activated in 1784 and is the Army's oldest active infantry regiment. I was there 7/66 to 7/70 which was during the Vietnam War. Curiously, I was asked once while I was a 2LT if I wanted to go to VN and I of course said no. I was asked again as a 1LT and I said what they expected me to say, which was of course no. I was not asked after I got promoted captain. I say curious because while orders to ship out to VN came down on 3rd Infantry, others such as myself never received orders but, rather, we were asked if we wanted to go. Even more curiously, Army accepted our decision, which was not to go.

Bizarre indeed but true. The trick was that Army did not want to dissemble The Old Guard so it limited the number of orders to ship out to VN. Further, Army did targeted asking, i.e., it inquired of officers and some nco who everyone including the higher ups knew were against the war or who were dubious at best about the war. The small number of such officers -- to include myself -- were welcome to remain in TOG as most of us were the most involved in being the ceremonial soldiers the Army idealized for Old Guard membership, duties, command. Thus there was a confluence and Army played it.

As the war went on the Army (and Marine Infantry) had a serious problem getting enough junior officers to fill command positions in VN. The mortality rate was horrendous, and this was true for infantry especially although I take nothing away from artillery (or armor which of course was deployed in VN but nonetheless had limited utility in the climate). Life expectancy of a 2LT of infantry in VN was six months. It wasn't much better for 1Lt or Captain either.

In TOG we did not argue about the War in Vietnam, not EP and not officers either. Some spoke openly they wanted to ship over to fight the war but no one said he didn't want to go -- unless in the rare instance of being asked verbally, one on one, and ever so informally off the record but for keeps. In each instance of an officer being asked, it was by your company commander in his office with the door closed. In TOG company commanders kept their office door open except for certain specified and limited circumstances or situations as governed by guidelines written by the regiment and signed off on by the colonel.
 
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He claims four years ROTC and four years in The Old Guard and no other units.

All while displaying little of the military knowledge one would expect from someone who served.

When two people who have served in the military meet, it is easy to distinguish if the other is telling the truth about his/her service. If in uniform, the eyes go to the fruit salad. What awards? Next the combat patch. When two people who have been in the service talk, we use a language that is different than others would use. We do not even realize it but we talk in acronyms and military speak. We don't walk, we march. Our arms naturally go nine to the front and six to the rear. We walk at 120 steps per minute forcing anyone with us to speed up or fall behind. We don't mean to do it, we just do.
 
When two people who have served in the military meet, it is easy to distinguish if the other is telling the truth about his/her service. If in uniform, the eyes go to the fruit salad. What awards? Next the combat patch. When two people who have been in the service talk, we use a language that is different than others would use. We do not even realize it but we talk in acronyms and military speak. We don't walk, we march. Our arms naturally go nine to the front and six to the rear. We walk at 120 steps per minute forcing anyone with us to speed up or fall behind. We don't mean to do it, we just do.


Do you too always step off with your left foot? To this day.

Every time? Get out of bed. Cross the street. Walk across the room. Up the stairs; down. Etc.

Put on your left sock first. Left shoe first. And I'm not a lifer either.

Every guy I knew who made major slept with his new cap that night and the scrambled eggs on the visor. It wuz an inducement to me but not an enticement. As much as I enjoy 'em scrambled. The field officer cap is different but mostly by being two sizes bigger.

Don't pivot any more though and not for a long time -- just turning is enough and it gets me around fine thx.


Annual Cherry Blossom Festival Week Parade, Constitution Avenue, Washington DC




Colonel in Command 3 IR The Old Guard and Joint Staff of Commanders of Service Ceremonial Units
Marine Band Quantico Va.
1st platoon, Honor Guard Company (E) The Old Guard, Ft. Myer Va
Marine Corps Infantry Ceremonial Guard, Marine Barracks Washington DC
Joint Service Colors and Guard
USN Ceremonial Guard Washington Navy Yard
USAF Ceremonial Guard Andrews AFB
USCG Ceremonial Guard, GCS Alexandria Va at the Potomac

Never mind the announcer cause the guy taking the video has his own position....until the two match up at the CG marching platoon.

Enjoy. We do it for youse. And we luvit. Army comes first in the order of march btw, every time as Army is the senior service. Army wins wars, Marines just help out here and there.



If the above might not be enough for you, you might try this one of the same parade but by a different guy:




Same order of march except this one includes the Old Guard Fife & Drum Corps Detail (one quarter of the Corps as it's a busy time and FDC too have to divvy up to scatter around and about to different events).


Have a good one Major. I've been hollering at (the overwrought) Fledermaus for months to scare up a career lifer retired rightwingnut commissioned officer to post. Has my wish been granted?
 
Do you too always step off with your left foot? To this day.

Every time? Get out of bed. Cross the street. Walk across the room. Up the stairs; down. Etc.

Put on your left sock first. Left shoe first. And I'm not a lifer either.

Every guy I knew who made major slept with his new cap that night and the scrambled eggs on the visor. It wuz an inducement to me but not an enticement. As much as I enjoy 'em scrambled. The field officer cap is different but mostly by being two sizes bigger.

Don't pivot any more though and not for a long time -- just turning is enough and it gets me around fine thx.


Annual Cherry Blossom Festival Week Parade, Constitution Avenue, Washington DC

[video=youtube_share;Ttak1RUnIgU]https://youtu.be/Ttak1RUnIgU?t=5


Colonel in Command 3 IR The Old Guard and Joint Staff of Commanders of Service Ceremonial Units
Marine Band Quantico Va.
1st platoon, Honor Guard Company (E) The Old Guard, Ft. Myer Va
Marine Corps Infantry Ceremonial Guard, Marine Barracks Washington DC
Joint Service Colors and Guard
USN Ceremonial Guard Washington Navy Yard
USAF Ceremonial Guard Andrews AFB
USCG Ceremonial Guard, GCS Alexandria Va at the Potomac

Never mind the announcer cause the guy taking the video has his own position....until the two match up at the CG marching platoon.

Enjoy. We do it for youse. And we luvit. Army comes first in the order of march btw, every time as Army is the senior service. Army wins wars, Marines just help out here and there.



If the above might not be enough for you, you might try this one of the same parade but by a different guy:


[video=youtube_share;7N3ofDJChFQ]https://youtu.be/7N3ofDJChFQ?t=5

Same order of march except this one includes the Old Guard Fife & Drum Corps Detail (one quarter of the Corps as it's a busy time and FDC too have to divvy up to scatter around and about to different events).


Have a good one Major. I've been hollering at (the overwrought) Fledermaus for months to scare up a career lifer retired rightwingnut commissioned officer to post. Has my wish been granted?

The men marching...

You have told then they are losers?

Have you told them how you lie about veterans.

There are a number of NCOs. Have you shared with them how they are to blame for the loss of your mythical "all wars"?
 
The men marching...

You have told then they are losers?

Have you told them how you lie about veterans.

There are a number of NCOs. Have you shared with them how they are to blame for the loss of your mythical "all wars"?


Fledermaus is The Riddler. The idle retired career lifer nco rightwinger Fledermaus is overwrought. You are stressed out. Cooked but I won't stick in the fork just yet Fledermaus.

In the post 9/11 Old Guard almost all the officers and NCO have the CIB (Combat Infantryman Badge). Quite a few have the wreath to it, meaning two tours in either Iraq or Afghanistan primarily. From viewing many videos lately I see about a third of TOG EP have the CIB. When I was in TOG (66-70) only senior officers or NCO had a CIB because they'd gone off to WWII and/or Korea -- there wasn't much action otherwise for a hard core warrior during those times.


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Colonel Johnny K. Davis, 80th commander of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army (2014-16).


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Non-commissioned officer of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard Ft. Myer, Va.


A major thing I don't like about Republicans as Potus is that they and their gangs cooked up Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Somalia et al more so to give the personnel ribbons, medals, badges, special pay etc than for any real strategic purpose either political or military. It wuz Bush 41 who put us in Somalia for instance.

All the same however the issue is whether an Old Guardsman can be, well, an Old Guardsman. If you can be a strac Old Guardsman then you're fine by me. Outstanding in fact. It is the here and now and the grunts you serve with that matter -- officer and EP alike. If you can march like an Old Guardsman, stand upright like an Old Guardsman, do a solemn military honors funeral with proficiency and respect, present yourself always and everywhere in a perfect uniform and bearing, and be so much more of everything it takes to be an Old Guardsman, then nothing else enters into it. Period.

The same applies to you Fledermaus. You are in the here and now and you are one damaged veteran of a career that, by all indications, never should have happened. Not to you and not to the armed forces of the USA. Not especially to those silenced lance corporals you abused over 20 years. So while you can in your disturbed state engender some measure of sympathy from me, I can also understand the enemy soldier and why he fights for his country or cause. All the same however the first rule is to deal with the other guy effectively whatever is his motivation, purpose or driving cause.

I have said to you throughout that time is not on your side in this. It is your problem that you could never see the dead end brick wall way off in the distance. Yet at this point there are probably a couple of more bends in the road before you suddenly run smack into it. Don't be too disappointed either if your lifer rightwing major doesn't save you. Lord knows you need saving.

So go ahead and continue to carry on cause it's your arse that's beginning to feel that long slow burn that's been going on. Maybe you should think a bit about what your arse will be like when it's finally and fully fried. Cause that is where this is going and it's where this has always been going.
 
Fledermaus is The Riddler. The idle retired career lifer nco rightwinger Fledermaus is overwrought. You are stressed out. Cooked but I won't stick in the fork just yet Fledermaus.

In the post 9/11 Old Guard almost all the officers and NCO have the CIB (Combat Infantryman Badge). Quite a few have the wreath to it, meaning two tours in either Iraq or Afghanistan primarily. From viewing many videos lately I see about a third of TOG EP have the CIB. When I was in TOG (66-70) only senior officers or NCO had a CIB because they'd gone off to WWII and/or Korea -- there wasn't much action otherwise for a hard core warrior during those times.


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Colonel Johnny K. Davis, 80th commander of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army (2014-16).


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Non-commissioned officer of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard Ft. Myer, Va.


A major thing I don't like about Republicans as Potus is that they and their gangs cooked up Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Somalia et al more so to give the personnel ribbons, medals, badges, special pay etc than for any real strategic purpose either political or military. It wuz Bush 41 who put us in Somalia for instance.

All the same however the issue is whether an Old Guardsman can be, well, an Old Guardsman. If you can be a strac Old Guardsman then you're fine by me. Outstanding in fact. It is the here and now and the grunts you serve with that matter -- officer and EP alike. If you can march like an Old Guardsman, stand upright like an Old Guardsman, do a solemn military honors funeral with proficiency and respect, present yourself always and everywhere in a perfect uniform and bearing, and be so much more of everything it takes to be an Old Guardsman, then nothing else enters into it. Period.

The same applies to you Fledermaus. You are in the here and now and you are one damaged veteran of a career that, by all indications, never should have happened. Not to you and not to the armed forces of the USA. Not especially to those silenced lance corporals you abused over 20 years. So while you can in your disturbed state engender some measure of sympathy from me, I can also understand the enemy soldier and why he fights for his country or cause. All the same however the first rule is to deal with the other guy effectively whatever is his motivation, purpose or driving cause.

I have said to you throughout that time is not on your side in this. It is your problem that you could never see the dead end brick wall way off in the distance. Yet at this point there are probably a couple of more bends in the road before you suddenly run smack into it. Don't be too disappointed either if your lifer rightwing major doesn't save you. Lord knows you need saving.

So go ahead and continue to carry on cause it's your arse that's beginning to feel that long slow burn that's been going on. Maybe you should think a bit about what your arse will be like when it's finally and fully fried. Cause that is where this is going and it's where this has always been going.[/QUOTE]

The was no riddle.

And you didn't answer the questions.

Have you told them what losers they are?
 
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So what seems to be the problem.

Here are some items it may be worth considering....



WHY THE WORLD’S BIGGEST MILITARY KEEPS LOSING WARS



Before Korea, America never lost a war. Ever since, other than the first Gulf War, it hasn’t won any. In Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan America spent trillions of dollars, exploded countless tons of munitions, killed hundreds of thousands of enemy combatants along with innocent civilians and accomplished hardly any of the goals its leaders proclaimed when they sent their soldiers into battle.

America’s inability to translate its immense firepower into meaningful political effect suggests the $500 billion it spends annually on defence is wasted. In a recent article in the Atlantic Magazine, James Fallows asked the previously unmentionable question: how can America spend more on its military than all the other great powers combined and still be unable to impose its will on even moderately sized enemies?

Here are four factors worth considering, in descending order of importance.



Too much logistics, not enough combat.


Learn the Language

Fear of Casualties


War as Symbol


From a military perspective, the Tet offensive was a great victory for American arms. For several years the Americans had been desperate for the Viet Cong to stand up and fight, to stop hiding in the shadows. In February 1968, they did. Initially, they were successful. For a few hours they captured the US embassy in Saigon. For a few weeks they conquered the ancient imperial capital of Hue. But soon, the immense firepower of the US army took its toll. The Viet Cong were slaughtered, more than decimated, destroyed as a fighting force for the rest of the war. Tet was a great battlefield success for the US army. It is also the moment the United States lost the Vietnam War.

Fifty thousand Americans died in Vietnam. So did more than 2 million Vietnamese.

In 1975, Saigon finally fell. Other than psychologically, the effect on America was negligible. Likewise, in a few years, most Americans won’t know or care who controls Mosul or Helmand or South Waziristan. America lost in Vietnam, in Iraq, in Afghanistan primarily because it had no real reason to go to war in the first place, no compelling national interest. Were Canada to invade North Dakota or Mexico to invade California, I suspect the US military and people would find the will to win. But the American people, wiser than their bellicose elites, ultimately are unwilling to make sacrifices for mere symbols.


http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/why_the_worlds_biggest_military_keeps_losing_wars


AVF needs to be confined to training grounds in Nevada or southern California deserts and to training grounds elsewhere and everywhere so the blue army can game against the red army and the judges can declare a winner after which everyone goes home for the night then attends debriefings for the rest of the quiet and peaceful week. Which also means no civilians get blown up either.

And calm down Fledermaus, i.e., don't try to hold me to every single specific thing the guy sez. I'd already noted for instance that Desert Storm troops got a parade down the "Canyon of Heroes" which is along 5th Avenue in NYC yet we know who has been running Iraq since and we know very well it ain't us.

The writer I quote is in the meantime analytical rather than overwrought or high strung about it all. Read his whole piece and you'd see the writer doesn't call anyone a liar either. Perhaps it is because the writer is not stressed or distressed about his life and his chosen profession. Neither is he overwrought. And he is certainly not a psychotic.

The American military has still never lost a war. Can't say the same about idiot politicians in the swamp in D.C. The above article is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Declaring a war as lost while it is still ongoing is simply not rational.
 
The was no riddle.

And you didn't answer the questions.

Have you told them what losers they are?


Fledermaus Groundhog Day Thursday September 21, 2017

0850 hrs DP Timewarp


You have posted the questions hundreds of times over the past ten months. AVF not winning wars lights you up given you spent a career in AVF and had by your own accounts been engaged in Desert Storm, Somalia, Panama among other AVF signature faux pas.

You keep asking the same or identical questions over an extended period of time. You pose and endlessly recycle questions that are the same, like, similar, identical. Yet you cycle and recycle while you know you fully intend not to be satisfied by the responses and replies. Indeed you falsely and consciously deny any reply or responses have been made by me. You are a perpetual denier so you will continue to deny as suits you in your individual veteran maladies.

Difference of opinion is rejected by you. Varying interpretations are rejected by you. To you there is no minority or majority viewpoint. To you there is only The Truth -- Fledermaus The AVF Veteran's Truth.

Lance corporals had to say 'yes sir sergeant sir' to you for 20 years but Fledermaus there aren't any lance corporals here. So your lifer career NCO alleged mind shall not change the fact I call 'em as I see 'em. You of the lifer NCO mindless-set can berate interminably but no fascist nazi can change my views in these respects no matter how hard core he is.

You are unable to make arguments and you are incapable to construct anything positive about you. The reason for the lifetime failure is more than obvious, i.e., you are a lifer NCO (retired). Everything I post is below your lifer NCO pay grade sergeant. Worse, you were recruited into the AVF during its early years when desperate recruiters were turning over every rock and flashing cash in the faces of hungry and ever desperate teenager dropout vagrants.
 
The American military has still never lost a war. Can't say the same about idiot politicians in the swamp in D.C. The above article is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Declaring a war as lost while it is still ongoing is simply not rational.


Potus and SecDef give the military mission and its strategic objectives to the generals and the admirals. Potus et al want the generals and admirals to devise a military strategy to accomplish the mission. When the military brass hats can't figure a way to accomplish the mission there is failure.

Military failure.

It is also the job of the generals and admirals to say to Potus et al that the objective is unattainable if that might be the view of the brass. These would be the same flag officers who tell their subordinate officers that there are no excuses -- that there are instead only missions accomplished.

Meanwhile when we win in a war some where at any time kindly be sure to ring me up. It would make my day. You might want to recall however that we pulled our All Volunteer Fledermaus troops out of Iraq and sent 'em to Afghanistan to do it again.
 
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Fledermaus Groundhog Day Thursday September 21, 2017

0850 hrs DP Timewarp

Padding.

You have posted the questions hundreds of times over the past ten months.

No, I haven't. Not "hundreds". But I have asked questions like those time and again.

And you refuse to answer.

AVF not winning wars lights you up given you spent a career in AVF and had by your own accounts been engaged in Desert Storm, Somalia, Panama among other AVF signature faux pas.

AVF not winning wars is a lie. As evidenced by Desert Storm, Panama and Grenada.

You keep asking the same or identical questions over an extended period of time. You pose and endlessly recycle questions that are the same, like, similar, identical. Yet you cycle and recycle while you know you fully intend not to be satisfied by the responses and replies.

And you refuse to answer the questions.

Indeed you falsely and consciously deny any reply or responses have been made by me.

I cannot deny what has not been presented.

You are a perpetual denier so you will continue to deny as suits you in your individual veteran maladies.

Show me where I "denied" your claimed answers to the questions posted. You can't.

Difference of opinion is rejected by you.

Lies are lies. When you KNOW the truth and still post a lie, you are lying.

Varying interpretations are rejected by you.

Lies are lies. When you KNOW the truth and still post a lie, you are lying.

To you there is no minority or majority viewpoint.

Lies are lies. When you KNOW the truth and still post a lie, you are lying.

To you there is only The Truth -- Fledermaus The AVF Veteran's Truth.

Lies are lies. When you KNOW the truth and still post a lie, you are lying.

Lance corporals had to say 'yes sir sergeant sir' to you for 20 years but Fledermaus there aren't any lance corporals here.

Did anyone state there were Lance Corporals here? No. And the only one demanding to be called "sir" was YOU.

So your lifer career NCO alleged mind shall not change the fact I call 'em as I see 'em. You of the lifer NCO mindless-set can berate interminably but no fascist nazi can change my views in these respects no matter how hard core he is.

Now you are calling me a "fascist nazi"? Oh, wait. You have done that before.

You are unable to make arguments and you are incapable to construct anything positive about you.

Bald faced lie.

The reason for the lifetime failure is more than obvious, i.e., you are a lifer NCO (retired).

What "lifetime failure" is obvious to you? Serving honorably for 20+ years? Being promoted first time in zone every time. Being promoted with or ahead of my peers? My overseas tours? My string of Expert Rifle and Pistol awards? The support of UN operations in Somalia?

Everything I post is below your lifer NCO pay grade sergeant.

There is no "pay grade" here. And your Freudian slip is appropriate. You have posted NOTHING above any imaginary "pay grade". You regurgitate but cannot understand most of what you post.

Worse, you were recruited into the AVF during its early years when desperate recruiters were turning over every rock and flashing cash in the faces of hungry and ever desperate teenager dropout vagrants.

And more insulting of an entire generation of honorable volunteers.
 
Potus and SecDef give the military mission and its strategic objectives to the generals and the admirals. Potus et al want the generals and admirals to devise a military strategy to accomplish the mission. When the military brass hats can't figure a way to accomplish the mission there is failure.

Military failure.

It is also the job of the generals and admirals to say to Potus et al that the objective is unattainable if that might be the view of the brass. These would be the same flag officers who tell their subordinate officers that there are no excuses -- that there are instead only missions accomplished.

Meanwhile when we win in a war some where at any time kindly be sure to ring me up. It would make my day. You might want to recall however that we pulled our All Volunteer Fledermaus troops out of Iraq and sent 'em to Afghanistan to do it again.

And yet Desert Storm happened.

And we kicked ass in Iraq.

And we displaced the Taliban.
 
Certainly a major reason America keeps losing its wars is that Congress seems to think Potus as commander in chief could be the equivalent of Julius Caesar and that that would be good. Or okay at the least. Or probably just fine.

Retired Major General Walter Stewart of the Army has focused on the Vietnam debacle in which he fought and the need of senior military commanders to take their oath more seriously. MJG Stewart says the senior military commanders need to be more responsive to the Congress and less beholden to Potus.

We recall the U.S. military officer oath is to the Constitution only. This means Potus is out of the oath altogether. The general reminds us that officers owe their loyalty and allegiance to the Constitution, i.e., the three branches of the government equally, the separation of powers equally, and the balance of powers in their measure.

This is especially relevant and material to the national security and stability in the present chaos of Donald Trump as Potus/CinC. Trump as Potus has now become central to the problem of why America keeps losing its wars, i.e., presidents as commander in chief who don't know their left from their right.



Why America Keeps Losing Its Wars


January 12, 2015

Walter Stewart (Major General, US Army, retired)


My essay explains why America is losing its wars and offers a simple solution – one requiring nothing more than moral courage on the part of our most senior military officers.

1. America is losing its wars because they are unconstitutional to begin with. They are unconstitutional because they are undeclared.

If America’s wars are not worth formal Congressional declarations, which act to unite the American people, they are by that fact not worth fighting.

2. Strategic-level commissioned officers who swear an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution have an obligation to protest these wars. However, none have. Indeed, our most senior officers have even misstated their oaths, suggesting they are sworn to obey the president rather than to defend the Constitution. In the process, they fall prey to a version of the Nuremberg Defense of “I was just following orders.”

Even when senior officers recognize the folly and illegality of America’s wars, they refuse to resign in protest. Why? Because they convince themselves they can better effect change within the system. Or they believe that resignation would be disruptive and disloyal. But such excuses are corrosive to their oath of office, an oath that officers – especially the most senior – must find the personal integrity and moral courage to follow.

3. Until America returns to declared wars by Congress that have the support of the people, America will continue to lose its wars, further weakening itself while sowing the seeds for even more unconstitutional — and unwinnable — wars


Well into its second decade, the undeclared and undefined “Global War on Terror” has yet to gain any measure of security for America’s profligate expenditure of lives and treasure.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution, establishing our country as a republic, wanted no part of a system that codified the executive as the decider of war and peace. War is a legislative power. Repeat that – again and again – and ask yourself why our leaders persist in perverting the clear intent of framers.


https://contraryperspective.com/2015/01/12/why-america-keeps-losing-its-wars/


As the retired two-star Walter Stewart indicates, there is a pent up thinking, belief and feeling among post Vietnam generations of senior military commanders that the legislature must be more involved in the decisions regarding war and peace. It is after all the Constitutional thing to do, as mandated by the Founders. MJG Stewart was at one point director of mobilization of the U.S. European Command but his strongest background is with National Guard forces. The two commands connect well professionally.

So if Trump might want to start slinging nuclear weapons into North Korea he'd have to go to Congress first to obtain their judgement and decision on whether to start a nuclear war. Use of nuclear weapons is a nuclear war even if only one side uses 'em. First use and an elective use of nuclear weapons as Trump has been discussing is a decision that can only be made by the Congress.


(Incoming ICBM from Russia would be completely different as Potus has the authority in every respect to respond solely and by ordering an immediate massive retaliation launch against Russia....and whomever else might be subject to inclusion in a massive retaliation launch by a USA under a full on nuclear attack. Trump and North Korea are however not about this particular aspect of a nuclear war. Trump has indeed indicated he could consider making a First Use of nuclear weapons against North Korea.)
 
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