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Do You Have A Plan For Nuclear War?

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Please share what you will do if the lights go out for weeks or months.....will you survive if it comes in winter?

The government does not want you to know the very real danger.


William R. Graham

June 5, 2017
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Analysts like Jack Liu and Jeffrey Lewis are to be commended for their interest in educating the public about North Korea’s missile and nuclear programs and endeavoring to provide their readers with “informed analysis.” However, in a series of recent articles, both analysts have written off the possibility of a nuclear electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack from North Korea as “unlikely” and “science fiction” because they believe the 10 to 20 kiloton nuclear weapons currently possessed by North Korea are incapable of making an effective EMP attack. This dismisses the consensus view of EMP experts who have advanced degrees in physics and electrical engineering along with several decades of experience in the field—with access to classified data throughout that time—and who have conducted EMP tests on a wide variety of electronic systems, beginning in 1963.

(This first appeared in 38 North here.)

By way of background, the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack was established by Congress in 2001 to advise the Congress, the President, the Department of Defense and other departments and agencies of the US Government on the nuclear EMP threat to military systems and civilian critical infrastructures. The EMP Commission was re-established in 2015 with its charter broadened to include natural EMP from solar storms, all manmade EMP threats, cyber-attack, sabotage and Combined-Arms Cyber Warfare. The EMP Commission charter gives it access to all relevant classified and unclassified data and the power to levy analysis upon the Department of Defense.

In the interest of better informing 38 North readers about the EMP threat, we offer this commentary to correct errors of fact, analysis, and myths about EMP.

Primitive and “Super-EMP” Nuclear Weapons are Both EMP Threats

The EMP Commission finds that even primitive, low-yield nuclear weapons are such a significant EMP threat that rogue states, like North Korea, or terrorists may well prefer using a nuclear weapon for EMP attack instead of destroying a city.[1] In its 2004 report, the Commission cautioned: “Certain types of relatively low-yield nuclear weapons can be employed to generate potentially catastrophic EMP effects over wide geographic areas, and designs for variants of such weapons may have been illicitly trafficked for a quarter-century.”

In 2004, two Russian generals, both EMP experts, warned the EMP Commission that the design for Russia’s super-EMP warhead, capable of generating high intensity EMP fields of 200,000 volts per meter, was “accidentally” transferred to North Korea, and that due to “brain drain,” Russian scientists were in North Korea, helping with their missile and nuclear weapon programs. South Korean military intelligence told their press that Russian scientists are in North Korea helping develop an EMP nuclear weapon. In 2013, a Chinese military commentator stated North Korea has super-EMP nuclear weapons.[2]



A North Korean Nuclear EMP Attack: The Threat America Downplays at Its Peril | The National Interest Blog
 
Please share what you will do if the lights go out for weeks or months.....will you survive if it comes in winter?

The government does not want you to know the very real danger.





A North Korean Nuclear EMP Attack: The Threat America Downplays at Its Peril | The National Interest Blog

It depends if you mean an emp attack or an actual nuclear war. If it was an emp attack the us would likely respond but other countries would not likely launch their nukes, as an emp attack is meant to wipe out digital electronics rather than actually hit anything with a nuclear blast. If it is actual nuclear war when one bomb goes off and there is no cordination between countries on it happening, everyone launches there at their main targets worldwidem and mad kicks in.

For the emp attack, it would be devastating as everything is digital, rural areas would survive but large cities would likely see mass starvation due to electronics being used for logistics and logistics is what makes large crowded cities possible, and why cities even the biggest ones were so much smaller a century ago, because they were limited by logistics, which then meant what local farms to the city can support.

For actual nuclear war I would likely survive being near fort hood, the military has it's major bases setup to handle nuclear war, but I would probably just die later of radiation poisoning instead of the blast, unless I wanted to stay in a radiation suit for any duration outside a building.
 
Holy crap, this is terrifying! If I don't get some print porn together soon, I could be in real trouble!
 
I read at one time that a single EMP air burst over the center of the continental US would bring down not only everything digital, but also everything electrical, from generation facilities to long distance transmission as well as the local transformer at the end of your neighborhood.

Basically, the US, and its entire population, would go back to the late 1800's. Life would instantly become just as hard, and just as short. There will be some that may adapt to that life, but there will certainly be many, many more that won't be able to, and will just die off, unable to cope.

Building everything back up to present levels, replacing all the damaged electrical equipment and distribution, would probably take at least a lifetime or two, perhaps more. The lost population, probably even longer.

But then again, I think that NK would be a smoldering radioactive cinder in exchange, and they know it, so I don't think that the chances are very high that they'll do it, nor that they have the means to deliver such a weapon; at least not yet. The same could be said for Iran, at this point in time.
 
I read at one time that a single EMP air burst over the center of the continental US would bring down not only everything digital, but also everything electrical, from generation facilities to long distance transmission as well as the local transformer at the end of your neighborhood.

Basically, the US, and its entire population, would go back to the late 1800's. Life would instantly become just as hard, and just as short. There will be some that may adapt to that life, but there will certainly be many, many more that won't be able to, and will just die off, unable to cope.

Building everything back up to present levels, replacing all the damaged electrical equipment and distribution, would probably take at least a lifetime or two, perhaps more. The lost population, probably even longer.

But then again, I think that NK would be a smoldering radioactive cinder in exchange, and they know it, so I don't think that the chances are very high that they'll do it, nor that they have the means to deliver such a weapon; at least not yet. The same could be said for Iran, at this point in time.

An emp would not destroy all power generation or electronics, but it would rather destroy all modern circuitry that relies on anything other than simple circuits.

We all theorized this in the army, especially when we were bored while deployed or while training in the field. Basically a 55 chevy other than maybe a battery failing would likely still work after, while a 95 chevy would fail because it's computer and any other fine circuits would be fried by the emp.

The same goes for generators, for anything electric, we would basically have to revert to paper logistics over the internet age, and most functioning electronics would be older electronics with crude circuits like older mechanically governed generators, simple power tools and older pre computer vehicles.

The damage though would be hell, as everything is computerized now, and going back and re building this stuff with an old slide rule and what little is still blue printed on paper would be a nightmare.
 
An emp would not destroy all power generation or electronics, but it would rather destroy all modern circuitry that relies on anything other than simple circuits.

We all theorized this in the army, especially when we were bored while deployed or while training in the field. Basically a 55 chevy other than maybe a battery failing would likely still work after, while a 95 chevy would fail because it's computer and any other fine circuits would be fried by the emp.

The same goes for generators, for anything electric, we would basically have to revert to paper logistics over the internet age, and most functioning electronics would be older electronics with crude circuits like older mechanically governed generators, simple power tools and older pre computer vehicles.

The damage though would be hell, as everything is computerized now, and going back and re building this stuff with an old slide rule and what little is still blue printed on paper would be a nightmare.Well,
I suppose the good news is we get those dayem errors removed from our credit reports! :2razz:
 
Well I guess we would have to rely on our European allies to get things up and running. Too bad Trump keeps giving them the finger. Maybe he'll be a casualty. One can only hope. Meantime, I've got medical care covered. My Jeanne Rose Herbal is on its' way from Amazon. Herbal remedies for pretty much everything. I'm buying foxglove tomorrow.
 
I suppose the good news is we get those dayem errors removed from our credit reports! :2razz:

you would not even have to worry about a credit report! I would feel bad for city folks if an emp attack happened though, they would normalize in the long run and their populations over time would spread out to rural areas until city populations hit a sustainable point of a pre modern logistics system, but that short term would be absolute hell.

But on credit report, hell everything is digital, they probably lose all your credit information, good luck on mastercard getting that money you owe them when the system that tels them you owe them goes down and they don't know anymore who you are.
 
An emp would not destroy all power generation or electronics, but it would rather destroy all modern circuitry that relies on anything other than simple circuits.

We all theorized this in the army, especially when we were bored while deployed or while training in the field. Basically a 55 chevy other than maybe a battery failing would likely still work after, while a 95 chevy would fail because it's computer and any other fine circuits would be fried by the emp.

The same goes for generators, for anything electric, we would basically have to revert to paper logistics over the internet age, and most functioning electronics would be older electronics with crude circuits like older mechanically governed generators, simple power tools and older pre computer vehicles.

The damage though would be hell, as everything is computerized now, and going back and re building this stuff with an old slide rule and what little is still blue printed on paper would be a nightmare.

Still, that'd be a giant leap backwards, and would take a long time to recover from. How would you get a chip fab up and running again without computers? Gotta make the replacement parts to fix all the information infrastructure. Any computers or anything digital would suddenly become very expensive again for a long time.
 
I suppose the good news is we get those dayem errors removed from our credit reports! :2razz:

Nope, Chomsky, they are all based in India. So we are all still screwed.
Isn't it sad, your credit report will survive a nuke, but not you?
 
Still, that'd be a giant leap backwards, and would take a long time to recover from. How would you get a chip fab up and running again without computers? Gotta make the replacement parts to fix all the information infrastructure. Any computers or anything digital would suddenly become very expensive again for a long time.

We would basically be reliant on a slide ruler, which worked they built space travel with it but technology would go backwards atleast shot term.

Like I said earlier in this thread, logistics and major cities would hurt the most, as much of our modern trucks are compuerized as is our refrigeration, and cities have only been able to explode so much in population due to logistics. If 70-80% of refrigerated trucks fail from an emp, and all logistical systems fail, it would make beef from texas to loas angelas impossible until a new system replaced it, meaning loacal farms would have to take over.


But these large cities rely on farms states away now, making them logistally impossible to supply if our modern infrastructure failed. In terms of just power we would probably be like the 1950's, simple electronics with no computers would survive, and this would be hell on most companies as very few keep legacy equipment, and the ones that do that do it for cost, because a lumber saw built in 1951 and cost 600k then but costs 7 million now is not feasable to replace unless it stops working and is unrepairable. For many industries digital long replaced that, so many manufacturing plants would have to go back to hand labor until analog machines could be built again.
 
Still, that'd be a giant leap backwards, and would take a long time to recover from. How would you get a chip fab up and running again without computers? Gotta make the replacement parts to fix all the information infrastructure. Any computers or anything digital would suddenly become very expensive again for a long time.

and slide rules, sextants, typewriters, mechanical cash registers, and old cars would be worth thousands.
Time to hedge your bets and get a few now for an investment.
 
We would basically be reliant on a slide ruler, which worked they built space travel with it but technology would go backwards atleast shot term.

Like I said earlier in this thread, logistics and major cities would hurt the most, as much of our modern trucks are compuerized as is our refrigeration, and cities have only been able to explode so much in population due to logistics. If 70-80% of refrigerated trucks fail from an emp, and all logistical systems fail, it would make beef from texas to loas angelas impossible until a new system replaced it, meaning loacal farms would have to take over.


But these large cities rely on farms states away now, making them logistally impossible to supply if our modern infrastructure failed. In terms of just power we would probably be like the 1950's, simple electronics with no computers would survive, and this would be hell on most companies as very few keep legacy equipment, and the ones that do that do it for cost, because a lumber saw built in 1951 and cost 600k then but costs 7 million now is not feasable to replace unless it stops working and is unrepairable. For many industries digital long replaced that, so many manufacturing plants would have to go back to hand labor until analog machines could be built again.

beeftw, do you think we would learn our lesson then and not be so reliant on computers once they all came back on-line?
 
We would basically be reliant on a slide ruler, which worked they built space travel with it but technology would go backwards atleast shot term.

Like I said earlier in this thread, logistics and major cities would hurt the most, as much of our modern trucks are compuerized as is our refrigeration, and cities have only been able to explode so much in population due to logistics. If 70-80% of refrigerated trucks fail from an emp, and all logistical systems fail, it would make beef from texas to loas angelas impossible until a new system replaced it, meaning loacal farms would have to take over.


But these large cities rely on farms states away now, making them logistally impossible to supply if our modern infrastructure failed. In terms of just power we would probably be like the 1950's, simple electronics with no computers would survive, and this would be hell on most companies as very few keep legacy equipment, and the ones that do that do it for cost, because a lumber saw built in 1951 and cost 600k then but costs 7 million now is not feasable to replace unless it stops working and is unrepairable. For many industries digital long replaced that, so many manufacturing plants would have to go back to hand labor until analog machines could be built again.

Still. Not anything pleasant. Still would take a long time to recover from. Still would have a lot of people would be lost along the way.
 
I would trigger EMP bursts above the continental US and Western Russia, then nuke both Washington and Moscow, before moving on the other nuclear powers and US military bases. I would follow this up by conventional bombing campaigns with both planes and missiles, keeping the rest of my nukes in reserve to use as necessary.
 
I would trigger EMP bursts above the continental US and Western Russia, then nuke both Washington and Moscow, before moving on the other nuclear powers and US military bases. I would follow this up by conventional bombing campaigns with both planes and missiles, keeping the rest of my nukes in reserve to use as necessary.

Nice to know we can count on you. You should know that with my Jeanne Rose Herbal I can fell you in one swoop. No nukes needed.
 
North Korea does not yet have the capability to launch a high altitude electro-magnetic pulse (HEMP) attack. North Korea has only atomic weapons and although it claims to have tested a thermonuclear device, the yield was so low that most observers concluded it was either a dud or just an atomic weapon. In 1962 the US military conducted some HEMP tests over Hawaii in a series of trials code-named 'Starfish Prime'. In the largest test the US detonated a 1.4 megaton warhead some 400 Km above Hawaii. The effect was minimal, setting of burglar alarms and causing some brownouts in and around Honolulu. The widest area affected was 800 Km across.

North Korea is not even close to producing fusion devises in the 1-2 megaton range at this time. To really harm an entire continent the nuclear device would have to be much larger and detonated much higher. That is not within the capabilities of North Korea at this time.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
There will be no nuclear war, we should know that by now. If it wasn't any nuclear attack during the Cold War, it is unlikely that we have one now. Nuclear weapons are being used as a deterrent against potential enemies and no country would ever think of using it. Even countries like North Korea and Iran wouldn't use it. Since the end of the WWII, USA, Russia and China as world's superpowers have gained significant military, political and economic strength, and any serious conflict would endanger any further development and put them back in the 19th century.
 
There will be no nuclear war, we should know that by now. If it wasn't any nuclear attack during the Cold War, it is unlikely that we have one now. Nuclear weapons are being used as a deterrent against potential enemies and no country would ever think of using it. Even countries like North Korea and Iran wouldn't use it. Since the end of the WWII, USA, Russia and China as world's superpowers have gained significant military, political and economic strength, and any serious conflict would endanger any further development and put them back in the 19th century.

If done from submarines off the U.S. coasts, three nukes could do the job and the subs could vanish and we wouldn't even know who to retaliate against.
 
Please share what you will do if the lights go out for weeks or months.....will you survive if it comes in winter?

The government does not want you to know the very real danger.





A North Korean Nuclear EMP Attack: The Threat America Downplays at Its Peril | The National Interest Blog

First, the family initiates the plan we already have in place, and meets at the boat. We then immediately leave Southern California for refuge elsewhere.

That's about it.

I suggest people read "One Second After" if they want to get a sense of what could happen if an EMP attack occurs on the United States.

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Hint: Keep those '60's Muscle Cars fueled up and in tune.
 
I'll be travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie.
 
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