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Marine KC-130 J Crash in Mississippi, Cause Investigation

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Witness Andy Jones told the AP he saw the plane spiral into the ground.
"Jones said he was working on his family's catfish farm just before 4 p.m. when he heard a boom and looked up to see the plane corkscrewing downward with one engine smoking.
" 'You looked up and you saw the plane twirling around,' he said. 'It was spinning down.'
"Jones said the plane hit the ground behind some trees in a soybean field, and by the time he and others reached the crash site, fires were burning too intensely to approach the wreckage. The force of the crash nearly flattened the plane, Jones said.
" 'Beans are about waist-high, and there wasn't much sticking out above the beans,' he said."

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Military Plane Crash Kills 16 In Mississippi : The Two-Way : NPR





Appearing with General James, Marshall L. Fisher, commissioner of the State Department of Public Safety, warned that the wreckage contained explosives. He cautioned people in the rural area not to touch any debris, both for safety’s sake, and because removal of it could be a crime.

“There are items that are going to be recovered by teams on the ground; some of them may be unsafe,” he said. He later noted that “there are ordnance disposal teams in the area” who may be causing controlled explosions throughout the search.

The KC-130 family, consisting of four-engine turboprops, is a variant of C-130 transport, a venerable mainstay of the United States military. The KC-130T is designed for aerial refueling of other aircraft but can also be used to carry people and gear."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/mississippi-marine-transport-plane-crash.html
 
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Fenton Lum said:
Such is empire.
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This was a flight from a US Air Base to a US ground base to conduct training. But your passing insult to the death of men better than yourself is noted.
 
"Such is empire."

WTF? I say again, WTF?
 
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justabubba said:
could debris from an on board detonation not have then caused an engine to fail?
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Something probably happened first, then a chain of consequences. Something apparently caused the cockpit section to separate from the rest of the plane, still pretty high up.


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Gladiator said:
Witness Andy Jones told the AP he saw the plane spiral into the ground.
"Jones said he was working on his family's catfish farm just before 4 p.m. when he heard a boom and looked up to see the plane corkscrewing downward with one engine smoking.
" 'You looked up and you saw the plane twirling around,' he said. 'It was spinning down.'
"Jones said the plane hit the ground behind some trees in a soybean field, and by the time he and others reached the crash site, fires were burning too intensely to approach the wreckage. The force of the crash nearly flattened the plane, Jones said.
" 'Beans are about waist-high, and there wasn't much sticking out above the beans,' he said."

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Military Plane Crash Kills 16 In Mississippi : The Two-Way : NPR





Appearing with General James, Marshall L. Fisher, commissioner of the State Department of Public Safety, warned that the wreckage contained explosives. He cautioned people in the rural area not to touch any debris, both for safety’s sake, and because removal of it could be a crime.

“There are items that are going to be recovered by teams on the ground; some of them may be unsafe,” he said. He later noted that “there are ordnance disposal teams in the area” who may be causing controlled explosions throughout the search.

The KC-130 family, consisting of four-engine turboprops, is a variant of C-130 transport, a venerable mainstay of the United States military. The KC-130T is designed for aerial refueling of other aircraft but can also be used to carry people and gear."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/mississippi-marine-transport-plane-crash.html
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plane may have lost a prop blade, or full prop seperation
 
Gladiator said:
Witness Andy Jones told the AP he saw the plane spiral into the ground.
"Jones said he was working on his family's catfish farm just before 4 p.m. when he heard a boom and looked up to see the plane corkscrewing downward with one engine smoking.
" 'You looked up and you saw the plane twirling around,' he said. 'It was spinning down.'
"Jones said the plane hit the ground behind some trees in a soybean field, and by the time he and others reached the crash site, fires were burning too intensely to approach the wreckage. The force of the crash nearly flattened the plane, Jones said.
" 'Beans are about waist-high, and there wasn't much sticking out above the beans,' he said."

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Military Plane Crash Kills 16 In Mississippi : The Two-Way : NPR





Appearing with General James, Marshall L. Fisher, commissioner of the State Department of Public Safety, warned that the wreckage contained explosives. He cautioned people in the rural area not to touch any debris, both for safety’s sake, and because removal of it could be a crime.

“There are items that are going to be recovered by teams on the ground; some of them may be unsafe,” he said. He later noted that “there are ordnance disposal teams in the area” who may be causing controlled explosions throughout the search.

The KC-130 family, consisting of four-engine turboprops, is a variant of C-130 transport, a venerable mainstay of the United States military. The KC-130T is designed for aerial refueling of other aircraft but can also be used to carry people and gear."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/mississippi-marine-transport-plane-crash.html
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A military plane crash was most likely from a mechanical failure, which is rare but does happen. I was in an army aviation unit, and I know they make every mechanic sigh on every bolt removed and installed, as well as the sergeant in charge of them and the warrant officer.

This is because they are extremely expensive machines and a mechanical failure in air is catastrophic vs an engine failure on a ground vehicle like the ones I worked on. The investigation will look for seeing every part of paperwork and oversight was done correctly. When I was in 4id we had a connex filled with a helicopter's wreckage from years prior when it fell down in iraq, the investigation on it was technichally over, but it was there and sealed incase the investigation ever re opened, that is how serious they take investigations into aircraft.
 
Gladiator said:
Something probably happened first, then a chain of consequences. Something apparently caused the cockpit section to separate from the rest of the plane, still pretty high up.


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That something was probably inspired by HE that was supposedly onboard.

Two different debris fields from something that apparently happened in cruise at 20000 feet is not a mechanical issue IMO. At least one eye witness on the ground reported hearing some explosions.
 
Fledermaus said:
Derp.... Explosions cause mechanical issues.

As opposed to pilot error, etc.
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Explosions on aircraft in flight cause more than "mechanical issues!"
 
Thoreau72 said:
That something was probably inspired by HE that was supposedly onboard.

Two different debris fields from something that apparently happened in cruise at 20000 feet is not a mechanical issue IMO. At least one eye witness on the ground reported hearing some explosions.
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That's because you have basically zero understanding of explosives or airplanes. A fact you have demonstrated over and over in the CT section. It also helps that you are probably the single most gullible person I have ever encountered. So of course you think it couldn't just be mechanical failure or pilot error.
 
Cisero said:
Googled this, no idea what it means, care to explain ? anybody ?
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Seemed to me like a 'swizzle stick.' Just stirring the drink up good.
 
Fledermaus said:
Depends on the location, severity and aftermath of the explosion.
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Add to the equation that at 20k, the fuselage was probably pressurized, it wouldn't take a very large event to bring the flight down.
 
Sounds like it could have been an explosion on board, or a major structural failure. Just the loss of an engine or a prop alone wouldn't be enough to cause a C130 to crash.
 
"Will Nobile, a catfish farmer, said he was inside his office Monday afternoon when he heard an unusually loud rumble in the sky.

"It sounded like a big thunderstorm," Nobile said. "Not one big explosion, but a couple of second-long explosions. ... A long, steady rumble is what it was."

He walked outside to see what was making the noise in the cloudless afternoon and saw a "gray streak" disappear behind some trees, and then black smoke rising."


Read more: 16 dead in Mississippi in worst Marine crash since 2005 | Daily Mail Online
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16 dead in Mississippi in worst Marine crash since 2005 | Daily Mail Online



"Yesterday, examiners were looking at the pallets of ammunition and other cargo on board, and how they were loaded, to see if they were responsible for the explosion at 20,000ft.

They also say that the equipment may have contributed to additional explosions after the crash. There are no indications of any foul play.


Read more: Half of victims killed in Marine Corps crash identified | Daily Mail Online
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Half of victims killed in Marine Corps crash identified | Daily Mail Online






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Thoreau72 said:
That something was probably inspired by HE that was supposedly onboard.

Two different debris fields from something that apparently happened in cruise at 20000 feet is not a mechanical issue IMO. At least one eye witness on the ground reported hearing some explosions.
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Eye witnesses who are ignorant of aviation are fairly unreliable. An explosion sound does not have to be an explosion, airframe failures can cause sharp loud noises.

It wouldn't be unheard of, the military flies their airframes far harder and longer then any civilian operator ever would, and the military doesn't have to meet FAA regulations, their aircraft do not have to be type certified, Nor receive an airworthiness certificate.

Years ago a surplused c-130 doing wildfire operations under a forest service contract suffered a catastrophic airframe failure where the wings separated. Witnesses reported hearing an "explosion" in that incident as well
 
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