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Marine KC-130 J Crash in Mississippi, Cause Investigation

Eye witnesses who are ignorant of aviation are fairly unreliable. An explosion sound does not have to be an explosion, airframe failures can cause sharp loud noises.

It wouldn't be unheard of, the military flies their airframes far harder and longer then any civilian operator ever would, and the military doesn't have to meet FAA regulations, their aircraft do not have to be type certified, Nor receive an airworthiness certificate.

Years ago a surplused c-130 doing wildfire operations under a forest service contract suffered a catastrophic airframe failure where the wings separated. Witnesses reported hearing an "explosion" in that incident as well

All that is true, I agree.

Yes, I do remember that sad video of the wings snapping on the fire fighting aircraft, no doubt a very high time airframe working with chemicals in a very hostile environment.

What makes me wonder about this accident, is not so much the reports of sounds from witnesses, but rather that the cockpit and cabin were separated by about a mile, descending with no comments at all (apparently) from the crew. My bet is that something more than a simple mechanical failure, powerplant or airframe, was involved.

Because it's military with secrets, we will never know for sure.

Being from Seattle I suspect you might work with Boeing, and therefore way more informed on military issues and histories than I, but I'm curious if there has ever been a similar accident for the type?
 
If the ammunition, or other explosive cargo, loaded on palates, was stowed in the path of a turbine blade or propeller blade, then an explosion might occur near the bolt-on frame for the cockpit section. A lesson might be to avoid putting palates with explosives in the path of broken propeller blades. Certainly the C - 130 is a work horse for delivering explosives for the US Military, around the world.
 
If the ammunition, or other explosive cargo, loaded on palates, was stowed in the path of a turbine blade or propeller blade, then an explosion might occur near the bolt-on frame for the cockpit section. A lesson might be to avoid putting palates with explosives in the path of broken propeller blades. Certainly the C - 130 is a work horse for delivering explosives for the US Military, around the world.

That is plausible. Clearly something happened at altitude. I haven't been looking, but I wonder if the crew said anything to ATC about their problem?
 
If the ammunition, or other explosive cargo, loaded on palates, was stowed in the path of a turbine blade or propeller blade, then an explosion might occur near the bolt-on frame for the cockpit section. A lesson might be to avoid putting palates with explosives in the path of broken propeller blades. Certainly the C - 130 is a work horse for delivering explosives for the US Military, around the world.
Every single time we have loaded ammo explosives or any type of hazmat on to a plane it goes to the rear and is the last pallets loaded.
Also military explosives are not easy to set off. You can shoot them or burn them in a fire and have zero problems.

I think when it is discovered what actually brought that plane down and lessons learned are discussed it will be quite a bit different then simply where to put an ammo pallet
 
I haven't checked in with this thread for a while. Someone was talking gibberish about "empires" and I sort of tuned out. I check back and see (confess to laziness, didn't read all posts since), posters are posting about ammunition and explosives being on board. Isn't this model C-130 an aerial gas station? If it is in tanker configuration, isn't it asking for trouble to carry large amount of explosives as well?
 
I haven't checked in with this thread for a while. Someone was talking gibberish about "empires" and I sort of tuned out. I check back and see (confess to laziness, didn't read all posts since), posters are posting about ammunition and explosives being on board. Isn't this model C-130 an aerial gas station? If it is in tanker configuration, isn't it asking for trouble to carry large amount of explosives as well?

Apparently there were troops onboard, so likely it wasn't configured for tanker duty.
 
I haven't checked in with this thread for a while. Someone was talking gibberish about "empires" and I sort of tuned out. I check back and see (confess to laziness, didn't read all posts since), posters are posting about ammunition and explosives being on board. Isn't this model C-130 an aerial gas station? If it is in tanker configuration, isn't it asking for trouble to carry large amount of explosives as well?
Not really. C-130s that do refueling use their own fuel tanks to refuel from.
 
Not really. C-130s that do refueling use their own fuel tanks to refuel from.

What do they use when they refuel jets?
Propeller aircraft use AVGAS
Jets use JP-4 or the equivalent
 
C-130s use jet fuel since they are turboprops.

Before I got out we used JP4 primarily and as I recall we were transitioning to JP8.
 
C-130s use jet fuel since they are turboprops.

Before I got out we used JP4 primarily and as I recall we were transitioning to JP8.

I've "been out" way longer than you, Thanks for the update!
 
That's because you have basically zero understanding of explosives or airplanes. A fact you have demonstrated over and over in the CT section. It also helps that you are probably the single most gullible person I have ever encountered. So of course you think it couldn't just be mechanical failure or pilot error.

That something was probably inspired by HE that was supposedly onboard.

Two different debris fields from something that apparently happened in cruise at 20000 feet is not a mechanical issue IMO. At least one eye witness on the ground reported hearing some explosions.

Thoreau... do you think that mini-nukes might have been planted on board the plane in order to intentionally crash it?
 
Thoreau... do you think that mini-nukes might have been planted on board the plane in order to intentionally crash it?

For what purpose?
 
Thoreau... do you think that mini-nukes might have been planted on board the plane in order to intentionally crash it?

It does not appear that way to me. Have you any facts or evidence to suggest that is what happened, or are you just pulling my leg? :mrgreen:
 
It does not appear that way to me. Have you any facts or evidence to suggest that is what happened, or are you just pulling my leg? :mrgreen:

Why ask for facts or evidence?

You have no facts or evidence to support your contention they were used on 9/11 yet you continue claim they were.
 
It does not appear that way to me. Have you any facts or evidence to suggest that is what happened, or are you just pulling my leg? :mrgreen:

It seems like a pausible scenario... does it not?
 
Every single time we have loaded ammo explosives or any type of hazmat on to a plane it goes to the rear and is the last pallets loaded.
Also military explosives are not easy to set off. You can shoot them or burn them in a fire and have zero problems.

I think when it is discovered what actually brought that plane down and lessons learned are discussed it will be quite a bit different then simply where to put an ammo pallet


"The KC-130T aircraft that crashed in western Mississippi this week, killing all 16 troops on board, left two “large impact areas,” Marines Brig. Gen. Bradley James said Wednesday.

It’s not clear how far apart the sites are, but one lies about a half-mile north of US 82 and the other a half-mile south of the highway.

“Indications are something went wrong at cruise altitude,” the general said.

Andy Jones, a witness to Monday’s crash, said a trail of white smoke followed the plane as it spiraled toward a soybean field. It dropped below the tree line with a bang.

“At first it looked like an acrobatic plane, like a stunt plane, blowing the smoke out the back,” Jones said. “Then all of a sudden you realized that the smoke was coming off one of the sides of the wing.”

The military is in the recovery phase of the operation, James said. Next, it will work to preserve the impact sites before beginning an investigation, he said. The FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and other state and local agencies are assisting in the operation, he said."


Mississippi Marine plane crash left 2 impact sites, general says | WTKR.com


It seems that part of the sequence might have been an internal explosion at about 22 feet back from the nose, where he cockpit section couples to the main air frame.

Perhaps there were some secret palates, that did not get marked properly, for loading purposes,



20 Jul 2017

"The commander of a wing support squadron based in Cherry Point in North Carolina has been relieved of duty after a commanding general lost confidence in his ability to lead.

Lt. Col. Taylor White, commander of Marine Wing Support Squadron 274, was relieved of his post Thursday by Maj. Gen. Matthew Glavy, commander of 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, according to a release send out by 2nd MAW officials.

The wing has recently been linked to two significant aviation mishaps.

On July 10, a KC-130 that took off from Cherry Point crashed in Mississippi, killing all 16 Marines aboard. A day later, lightning struck a flightline in nearby New River, fatally injuring one MV-22 Osprey maintainer and sending another briefly to the hospital."


Marine Corps Squadron Commander Fired Amid 'Loss of Trust, Confidence' | Military.com









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It seems like a pausible scenario... does it not?

Nothing to suggest it, but anything is possible.

I never served in the USMC, only the USA, so I don't know how they operate. It would be difficult to believe that they would be carrying such a mixed load of troops and tactical nukes on the same plane, but anything is possible. I cannot imagine they would deploy tactical nukes at the dog & pony show they were headed to in California.
 
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