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Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.

Rogue Valley

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Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.


By Brandon Valeriano, Ryan C. Maness and Benjamin Jensen
July 13, 2017

The recent “ransomware” events created headaches and headlines — but also masked a greater cyber-issue: chaos and disruption on the Internet as the new normal. Earlier this week, in fact, the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a new effort headed by former U.S. national security officials, formed as a separate, nongovernmental program to investigate Russian cyber-meddling. Previous cyber-incidents focused on information acquisition, network infiltration or precision strikes to sabotage the opposition. What are we seeing now are disruptive cyber-actions — with the apparent goals of signaling capability, disrupting normal systems and demonstrating the instability of Western democratic models. A number of analysts described the Petya/NotPetya incident of June and the WannaCry event in May as ransom attacks, aimed at gaining as much bitcoin as possible. But our analysis of cyber-coercion highlights how ransomware events such as the Petya are often strategically motivated and less about gaining funds than they are about sending a signal. The primary goal instead appears to be limited destruction through malware wiping systems.

The strategic logic of cyber has now shifted from restraint to one of disruption and constant harassment designed to signal capability and the threat of escalation. Russian hackers targeted U.S. institutions, most likely hoping to gain leverage before entering complex negotiations around sanctions, Ukraine and Syria. While we have yet to witness the extremes of cyberwar, the more subtle danger since 2016 is the way states like Russia and North Korea use cyber-strategies as a form of political warfare. These attacks create chaos, which challenges the prevailing international order and major institutions — from commerce to hospitals to elections — that represent the foundations of Western societies.

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In Ukraine, 'ransomware' has now morphed into a fig leaf to cover cyberwarfare actions by the Kremlin. I can foresee a scenario where the electric grid of let's say the eastern United States is held hostage until a political ransom - such as removing all Russian sanctions - is accomplished. Moscow would of course deny any involvement in such a 'ransomware attack'.

Additional: Your Guide to Russia’s Infrastructure Hacking Teams
 
Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.




In Ukraine, 'ransomware' has now morphed into a fig leaf to cover cyberwarfare actions by the Kremlin. I can foresee a scenario where the electric grid of let's say the eastern United States is held hostage until a political ransom - such as removing all Russian sanctions - is accomplished. Moscow would of course deny any involvement in such a 'ransomware attack'.

Additional: Your Guide to Russia’s Infrastructure Hacking Teams

Rogue Valley:

As long as states and commercial interests insist on relying on an inherently unstable structure as the Internet and cyber platforms this will be a problem. You cannot build fortresses on top of foundations of glass. The cyber world is far to unstable to support secure structures for running power grids, nuclear reactors and such. What is needed is an archipelago of mini-internets, separated physically from each other to minimise the spread of a contagions which can cripple affected systems. Critical state and commercial systems should be walled off and encysted to protect themselves from the corruption by hacking and should be unable to interact with the Internet at large. The only real defence is physical isolation which precludes access by line or wireless means.

Another dimension is that state organisations like the NSA should not create cyber-weapons without also creating cyber-solutions to those weapons and in the event that a cyber-weapon goes astray or is stolen, then it's that agency's responsibility to disclose the loss and diseminate the necessary defensive software to all in order to protect systems which could be exposed. The recent attacks are based on software developed by the NSA for use against foreign interests and thus that agency and its parent state bear some responsibility for enabling these attacks even if others carried them out.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.




In Ukraine, 'ransomware' has now morphed into a fig leaf to cover cyberwarfare actions by the Kremlin. I can foresee a scenario where the electric grid of let's say the eastern United States is held hostage until a political ransom - such as removing all Russian sanctions - is accomplished. Moscow would of course deny any involvement in such a 'ransomware attack'.

Additional: Your Guide to Russia’s Infrastructure Hacking Teams

Are you saying it's time to start a shootin war?
 
It is time to shut of the electric grid in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Murmansk and Odessa.
 
It is time to shut of the electric grid in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Murmansk and Odessa.

That's a great idea. There is no possible way that someone will take that as indication that such a move is fair play.

Know what happens if someone shuts off the grid here in the US?

Well, if they can keep it off for any length of time, mass violence, starvation, and death. Hundreds of millions dead.
 
That's a great idea. There is no possible way that someone will take that as indication that such a move is fair play.

Know what happens if someone shuts off the grid here in the US?

Well, if they can keep it off for any length of time, mass violence, starvation, and death. Hundreds of millions dead.

Greetings, cpwill. :2wave:

Nooooooooooooooo! :eek: We wouldn't even know who done it, like that would matter at that point! :shock:
 
Greetings, cpwill. :2wave:

Nooooooooooooooo! :eek: We wouldn't even know who done it! :shock:
Or how it had been done. All we would know is that much of civilization was gone.

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Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.




In Ukraine, 'ransomware' has now morphed into a fig leaf to cover cyberwarfare actions by the Kremlin. I can foresee a scenario where the electric grid of let's say the eastern United States is held hostage until a political ransom - such as removing all Russian sanctions - is accomplished. Moscow would of course deny any involvement in such a 'ransomware attack'.

Additional: Your Guide to Russia’s Infrastructure Hacking Teams

OMG, does this mean other countries have finally discovered gunpowder????:roll:
 
It is time to shut of the electric grid in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Murmansk and Odessa.

That's a great idea. There is no possible way that someone will take that as indication that such a move is fair play.

Know what happens if someone shuts off the grid here in the US?

Well, if they can keep it off for any length of time, mass violence, starvation, and death. Hundreds of millions dead.

Fair play? The Russians are the enemy and they interfered in our electoral process. We are now going to have to get rid of the the Trump Crime Family because we really did not think that Donald is as bad as we were warned (or we did get him exactly because of that).

Russians! Back off!!
 
Cyberwarfare has taken a new turn. Yes, it’s time to worry.




In Ukraine, 'ransomware' has now morphed into a fig leaf to cover cyberwarfare actions by the Kremlin. I can foresee a scenario where the electric grid of let's say the eastern United States is held hostage until a political ransom - such as removing all Russian sanctions - is accomplished. Moscow would of course deny any involvement in such a 'ransomware attack'.

Additional: Your Guide to Russia’s Infrastructure Hacking Teams

Sorry, not worried.

I don't care about the Ukraine either.
 
That's a great idea. There is no possible way that someone will take that as indication that such a move is fair play.

Know what happens if someone shuts off the grid here in the US?

Well, if they can keep it off for any length of time, mass violence, starvation, and death. Hundreds of millions dead.

I will survive.... ME GOTS SOLAR.....

;)
 
Sorry, not worried.

I don't care about the Ukraine either.
This is a good decision making posture. We shouldn't worry until it's too late.

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I will survive.... ME GOTS SOLAR.....

;)
I'm seriously thinking about investing in that plus a garden, food storage, and maybe a well.

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I'm seriously thinking about investing in that plus a garden, food storage, and maybe a well.

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What do you think is going to happen to the garden when poopage and the windage get together? Well will probably fare no better!
 
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