North Korea may have Launched its First ICBM.

North Korea has announced that it has launched an ICBM, the first successful test of such a delivery system for the Hermit Kingdom. The missile travelled about 930 Km from its launch site but flew 2300Km - 2500Km up into space. This leads some commentators to estimate that the missile if fired for maximum horizontal range could reach between 5500 and 6000 Km and thus meets the criteria to be classified as an ICBM. What are the military and political implications of this missile launch and how can the US counter such a bold move by the North Korean regime?

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Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

North Korea has announced that it has launched an ICBM, the first successful test of such a delivery system for the Hermit Kingdom. The missile travelled about 930 Km from its launch site but flew 2300Km - 2500Km up into space. This leads some commentators to estimate that the missile if fired for maximum horizontal range could reach between 5500 and 6000 Km and thus meets the criteria to be classified as an ICBM. What are the military and political implications of this missile launch and how can the US counter such a bold move by the North Korean regime?

Cheers?
Evilroddy.

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The impications are disturbing for America but also south korea.

The new president in the south is a dreamer who hopes kim will have a Come to Jesus experience that avoids war

But a peaceful solution is less and less likely

Evilroddy said:

North Korea has announced that it has launched an ICBM, the first successful test of such a delivery system for the Hermit Kingdom. The missile travelled about 930 Km from its launch site but flew 2300Km - 2500Km up into space. This leads some commentators to estimate that the missile if fired for maximum horizontal range could reach between 5500 and 6000 Km and thus meets the criteria to be classified as an ICBM. What are the military and political implications of this missile launch and how can the US counter such a bold move by the North Korean regime?

Cheers?
Evilroddy.

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First of all, this is not a standalone issue and it is hard to say, which the best American position is.
It seems quite obvious that red lines are being tested by North Korea's sole supporter, while The world watches keenly.

Certainly, clear and increasingly present danger could be invoked by the US and more so by its regional allies, who depend for their security on a nation that has said that NK shall have no bomb. Doing nothing will undoubtedly have implications on the whole system of alliances from Latvia over Australia to South Korea.

Similarly the Security Council is allowing one of its Resolutions to be broken. This might not be the first time, but here it is certainly falling down on an important issue in that it could cause nuclear war and not just a large expedition as in Iraq. The reasons that a hit unilateral or by a group of allies would almost necessarily require instantaneously demobilizing extreme and overwhelming force have been noted here often. The first strike would have to eliminate second strike capabilities or risk major casualties on our allies' side.

Possibly this is what future global security requires. The last time the Security Council was irrelevant the reaction it triggered convinced the UN to rethink and amend its guiding norms. The changes improvement though they were, were totally insufficient. Possibly this situation handled well could swing the necessary paradigm change. I do have my doubts that Trump could, but we are running low on time and something must be done. The Obama alternative of doing nothing is also a choice with whose consequences we should have to deal as the situation deteriorates.

Mac77 said:

The impications are disturbing for America but also south korea.

The new president in the south is a dreamer who hopes kim will have a Come to Jesus experience that avoids war

But a peaceful solution is less and less likely

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Trump could go to the General Assembly and tell the UN that it is their problem to fix. He could do so first at the Hamburg G20 meeting reminding everyone of a similar plea by Bush not to be irrelevant. That would help Dr Merkel have her meeting remembered.

well, it sure isn't helping that President Troll keeps running his trap, demonizing NK with his razor sharp hot air rhetoric

maybe Troll should try a different approach like STFU, or something


AFA the technology that NK would require to successfully complete it's path to having an operable ICBM, they are likely several years from this point

Evilroddy said:

North Korea has announced that it has launched an ICBM, the first successful test of such a delivery system for the Hermit Kingdom. The missile travelled about 930 Km from its launch site but flew 2300Km - 2500Km up into space. This leads some commentators to estimate that the missile if fired for maximum horizontal range could reach between 5500 and 6000 Km and thus meets the criteria to be classified as an ICBM. What are the military and political implications of this missile launch and how can the US counter such a bold move by the North Korean regime?Cheers?Evilroddy.

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Let's take a shot at objective background. Have we been threatened by North Korea? Yes! BUT, we thteatened North Korea first and threats beget threats. Is North Korea attempting to create a menacing presence towards the USA? Yes! BUT, we, the USA, have bombs, rockets, tanks, ships, subs and armies on the very borders and near shores of North Korea and equally menacing to the North Koreans. Tit for Tat, don't ya' know? Should North Korea fear the USA? We dropped more bomb tonnage on North Korea than we dropped in all of WWII. We destroyed 80% of North Korea including CIVILIAN areas. YES, they have a historical and logical reason to fear the USA. Since the big stick policy we have been using over 60 years against North Korea has definitely not worked, sanity demands another approach. Sanity does not seem to be a big seller among our Dr. Strangelove leadership and the current policies profit the US Military Incustrial Corporate Complex BIGLY, don't ya' know? If we keep using the big stick, the profits keep flowing. Now you know why we are going to do what we are going to do. Check in with your shrink, sumpins' slippin'.

joG said:

Trump could go to the General Assembly and tell the UN that it is their problem to fix. He could do so first at the Hamburg G20 meeting reminding everyone of a similar plea by Bush not to be irrelevant. That would help Dr Merkel have her meeting remembered.

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Trump could make a gesture to the UN but north korea is already in violation of UN demands that he cease nuclear production

I think he sees the UN as a toothless tiger.

cuban smokes said:

well, it sure isn't helping that President Troll keeps running his trap, demonizing NK with his razor sharp hot air rhetoric

maybe Troll should try a different approach like STFU, or something


AFA the technology that NK would require to successfully complete it's path to having an operable ICBM, they are likely several years from this point

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I think you should lay your blind partisan hate for trump aside for a while

North Korea was a threat to its neighbors long before trump was elected president

DaveFagan said:

Let's take a shot at objective background. Have we been threatened by North Korea? Yes! BUT, we thteatened North Korea first and threats beget threats. Is North Korea attempting to create a menacing presence towards the USA? Yes! BUT, we, the USA, have bombs, rockets, tanks, ships, subs and armies on the very borders and near shores of North Korea and equally menacing to the North Koreans. Tit for Tat, don't ya' know? Should North Korea fear the USA? We dropped more bomb tonnage on North Korea than we dropped in all of WWII. We destroyed 80% of North Korea including CIVILIAN areas. YES, they have a historical and logical reason to fear the USA. Since the big stick policy we have been using over 60 years against North Korea has definitely not worked, sanity demands another approach. Sanity does not seem to be a big seller among our Dr. Strangelove leadership and the current policies profit the US Military Incustrial Corporate Complex BIGLY, don't ya' know? If we keep using the big stick, the profits keep flowing. Now you know why we are going to do what we are going to do. Check in with your shrink, sumpins' slippin'.

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I will just pick a country at random.

How come Singapore isnt building atomic bombs and ICBM's to use against the US also since the same firepower that you say threatens north korea threatens singapore too?

Mac77 said:

I think you should lay your blind partisan hate for trump aside for a while

North Korea was a threat to its neighbors long before trump was elected president

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Troll said he was elected to, "represent the people of Pittsburg"

where the Hell is Pittsburg?

cuban smokes said:

Troll said he was elected to, "represent the people of Pittsburg"

where the Hell is Pittsburg?

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They wont be anywhere if north korea drops a nuclear bomb on them

Mac77 said:

They wont be anywhere if north korea drops a nuclear bomb on them

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so, the paranoia is spreading pretty broad for them?

cuban smokes said:

so, the paranoia is spreading pretty broad for them?

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Nuclear war is a more real fear than the man-made-global-warming-disaster hoax that seems to traumtize liberals

DaveFagan said:

Let's take a shot at objective background. Have we been threatened by North Korea? Yes! BUT, we thteatened North Korea first and threats beget threats. Is North Korea attempting to create a menacing presence towards the USA? Yes! BUT, we, the USA, have bombs, rockets, tanks, ships, subs and armies on the very borders and near shores of North Korea and equally menacing to the North Koreans. Tit for Tat, don't ya' know? Should North Korea fear the USA? We dropped more bomb tonnage on North Korea than we dropped in all of WWII. We destroyed 80% of North Korea including CIVILIAN areas. YES, they have a historical and logical reason to fear the USA. Since the big stick policy we have been using over 60 years against North Korea has definitely not worked, sanity demands another approach. Sanity does not seem to be a big seller among our Dr. Strangelove leadership and the current policies profit the US Military Incustrial Corporate Complex BIGLY, don't ya' know? If we keep using the big stick, the profits keep flowing. Now you know why we are going to do what we are going to do. Check in with your shrink, sumpins' slippin'.

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I hate to break it to you Dave, but South Korea is a US ally which has requested that, you know, we provide troops and supplies to keep them safe from North Korea. Given that North Korea has already invaded South Korea once in the past, and routinely launches provactions including an attempt to kill the South Korean president in the late 1960s, I can't blame the south in the slightest.

Perhaps if North Korea didn't want to be bombed it shoudn't have invaded it's neighbors. A radical thought, I know.

Evilroddy said:

North Korea has announced that it has launched an ICBM, the first successful test of such a delivery system for the Hermit Kingdom. The missile travelled about 930 Km from its launch site but flew 2300Km - 2500Km up into space. This leads some commentators to estimate that the missile if fired for maximum horizontal range could reach between 5500 and 6000 Km and thus meets the criteria to be classified as an ICBM. What are the military and political implications of this missile launch and how can the US counter such a bold move by the North Korean regime?

Cheers?
Evilroddy.

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Our presidents have been kicking the can down the road for 25+ years now, and still the public mood is in favor of denial and an acceptance of eventual nuclear blackmail. They are gradually becoming China's enforcer and trigger man.

This is a chess game China is winning.

cuban smokes said:

Troll said he was elected to, "represent the people of Pittsburg"

where the Hell is Pittsburg?

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Are the people of Pittsburgh such gutless cowards that they want us to abandon our long time friends and cut and run at the frost sign of trouble? No? Didn't think so. So stop pretending that abandoning South Korea is something the people of Pittsburgh want.

Mac77 said:

I will just pick a country at random.

How come Singapore isnt building atomic bombs and ICBM's to use against the US also since the same firepower that you say threatens north korea threatens singapore too?

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Gosh, I must have missed it when we surrounded Singapore with threatening weapons and threatened them. Could you link that please?
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Tigerace117 said:

I hate to break it to you Dave, but South Korea is a US ally which has requested that, you know, we provide troops and supplies to keep them safe from North Korea. Given that North Korea has already invaded South Korea once in the past, and routinely launches provactions including an attempt to kill the South Korean president in the late 1960s, I can't blame the south in the slightest.

Perhaps if North Korea didn't want to be bombed it shoudn't have invaded it's neighbors. A radical thought, I know.

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It is still a matter of dispute of "Who invaded who?" However, no disputing the USA marched all the way to the Yalu River and threatened China and China responded with a few million infantry and suicide waves. A threat to North Korea is also a threat to China, even today. Explain to me how this allegedly backward, "hermit" Nation has developed such high military technology and inspired its' citizens to support its' alleged lunacy. Perhaps it is just a Nation trying to progress against a constant economic enemy, a/k/a, the USA. The USA has stifled cooperation between the two Koreas and that is probably where the cure lies. The new leader of South Korea wants to establish smoother relations with North Korea and I hope he does. The USA directed relations have been a complete failure.
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DaveFagan said:

It is still a matter of dispute of "Who invaded who?" However, no disputing the USA marched all the way to the Yalu River and threatened China and China responded with a few million infantry and suicide waves. A threat to North Korea is also a threat to China, even today. Explain to me how this allegedly backward, "hermit" Nation has developed such high military technology and inspired its' citizens to support its' alleged lunacy. Perhaps it is just a Nation trying to progress against a constant economic enemy, a/k/a, the USA. The USA has stifled cooperation between the two Koreas and that is probably where the cure lies. The new leader of South Korea wants to establish smoother relations with North Korea and I hope he does. The USA directed relations have been a complete failure.
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It really isn't though. The fact of the first days of the war, where the North Koreans achieved overwhelming success against an unprepared, disorganized US and South Korea, show that very clearly. If the US had been planning to invade it would have supplied South Korea with a lot more heavy weapons and had one hell of a lot more troops in the country.

Yes, once the North Koreans invaded we managed to push them well back. So what? We pushed the Nazis deep into their own territory too. Yep, and all China got out of it was the status quo--- from a war the communists started--- and thousands upon thousands of causulties.

Because they don't care about things like "feeding their citizens" or "providing a good quality of life". When your regime is based around the whims of a maniac, there's no need to take care of civilians.

Perhaps the North Koreans shouldn't have tried to kill the South Korean president if they had wanted cooperation in the past.

Mac77 said:

Nuclear war is a more real fear than the man-made-global-warming-disaster hoax that seems to traumtize liberals

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well, then if that is true, those poor liberals .........

Tigerace117 said:

Are the people of Pittsburgh such gutless cowards that they want us to abandon our long time friends and cut and run at the frost sign of trouble? No? Didn't think so. So stop pretending that abandoning South Korea is something the people of Pittsburgh want.

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"the citizens of Pittsburg" don't give a **** about South Korea; stop with the platitudes ...........


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q="the+citizens+of+Pittsburg"+&spf=1499176086167





so, maybe POTUS Troll was elected to represent the citizens of the US, not the citizens of South Korea .............

cuban smokes said:

"the citizens of Pittsburg" don't give a **** about South Korea; stop with the platitudes ...........

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Yes they do. You, on the other hand, don't give a **** about South Korea, and you desperately hope the US abandons one of our long time friends.

Your particular brand of isolationism stopped holding any influence many years ago.....time to give it up.

Tigerace117 said:

Yes they do. You, on the other hand, don't give a **** about South Korea, and you desperately hope the US abandons one of our long time friends.

Your particular brand of isolationism stopped holding any influence many years ago.....time to give it up.

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Presidents, Troll included, they just wanna show the world they can push around little 'army men' like little boys do, only with real ones ..........

cuban smokes said:

Presidents, Troll included, they just wanna show the world they can push around little 'army men' like little boys do, only with real ones ..........

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Of course, the fact remains that supporting a longtime friend of the US is the right thing to do, and indeed what Trump is doing.

DaveFagan said:

Gosh, I must have missed it when we surrounded Singapore with threatening weapons and threatened them. Could you link that please?
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I guess I mised when singapore invaded its closest neighbor and killed millions of innocent people.

And was only pushed back to its own territory by UN military force