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Something called "The Doolittle Raid."

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Trump calls last surviving member of Doolittle Raiders to offer 'best wishes and support'


Just heard a MSNBC reporter report on this call. He said the recipient of the call was "the last surviving member OF SOMETHING CALLED 'the Doolittle Raid', as though the majority of the audience would never have heard of the 1942 strike on Tokyo. Land based bombers were launched from the USS Hornet and achieved more of a propaganda victory than a military one. I guess 1942 might as well be 1492? Are US citizens that clueless?
 
No, they aren't. It was probably new to the reporter, and he/she just assumed everyone else was as clueless.
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump calls last surviving member of Doolittle Raiders to offer 'best wishes and support'


Just heard a MSNBC reporter report on this call. He said the recipient of the call was "the last surviving member OF SOMETHING CALLED 'the Doolittle Raid', as though the majority of the audience would never have heard of the 1942 strike on Tokyo. Land based bombers were launched from the USS Hornet and achieved more of a propaganda victory than a military one. I guess 1942 might as well be 1492?
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Maybe if one suffers from dyslexia.

Are US citizens that clueless?
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Possibly.
But as you stated above, the raid wasn't an important WWII campaign, so it doesn't compare with D-Day or Iwo Jima.
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump calls last surviving member of Doolittle Raiders to offer 'best wishes and support'


Just heard a MSNBC reporter report on this call. He said the recipient of the call was "the last surviving member OF SOMETHING CALLED 'the Doolittle Raid', as though the majority of the audience would never have heard of the 1942 strike on Tokyo. Land based bombers were launched from the USS Hornet and achieved more of a propaganda victory than a military one. I guess 1942 might as well be 1492? Are US citizens that clueless?
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when Col "Butch" Latch introduced me to Gen Doolittle i knew this was a big deal
even at 4 years old
initially because i knew he was a general
and later that day because of his exploits shared with me by my Dad
i guess with the interval of many years, one could now be excused for not knowing about something called the Doolittle Raid
 
I am still in awe of the courage shown by the men who took part in that raid. As I remember, the man who led it had earlier been the first ever to perform a certain aerobatic maneuver which pilots at the time believed no one could survive.

The Doolittle Raid had a strategic importance far out of proportion to the damage done by the relatively few B-25's with their light bomb loads. It struck a blow to national prestige which persuaded Japanese military planners that they must expand Japan's defenses, and as part of that effort, go through with the plan to capture Midway Island. That plan had already been studied as a follow-on to the Pearl Harbor attack, but it was still not certain. It was the Doolittle raid which convinced the Japanese they must carry it out, and the Battle of Midway turned out to be a disaster for Japan. Only six months after its glowing victory in Hawaii, Japan suffered a defeat from which it never fully recovered. With the loss of four carriers at Midway Japan lost the initiative in the war, and was forced to fight the remaining three years of it on the defensive.
 
Thanks to falling educational standards and the shift from social science to science and math focused curricula there are two generations who probably have no idea what the Doolittle Raid is. History is a mystery, but the future's so bright, we gotta wear shades! Welcome to the new Dark-ages.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
As time goes by more and more will be forgotten and no longer taught because of the amount of new history that is more current and relevant to todays youth. As time goes by the importance of remembering all the minor but significant events of the war will fade. Look at all the old war movies that the current generation will never see or know about. When you say John Wayne to the current generation a lot of them respond by saying John who?
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump calls last surviving member of Doolittle Raiders to offer 'best wishes and support'


Just heard a MSNBC reporter report on this call. He said the recipient of the call was "the last surviving member OF SOMETHING CALLED 'the Doolittle Raid', as though the majority of the audience would never have heard of the 1942 strike on Tokyo. Land based bombers were launched from the USS Hornet and achieved more of a propaganda victory than a military one. I guess 1942 might as well be 1492? Are US citizens that clueless?
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The reporter and very likely the entire editorial staff are that clueless.

The news reporting is a disgrace and the reason for it is the pretty boy/bubble head talking heads that present it.

Think Ted Baxter.
 
radioman said:
Maybe if one suffers from dyslexia.



Possibly.
But as you stated above, the raid wasn't an important WWII campaign, so it doesn't compare with D-Day or Iwo Jima.
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The Doolittle raid was one of the most important missions of the war.
 
apdst said:
The Doolittle raid was one of the most important missions of the war.
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It was an important psychological blow to Japanese civilians: "We can reach out and attack you", and an important morale builder for the USA at home.
 
chuckiechan said:
It was an important psychological blow to Japanese civilians: "We can reach out and attack you", and an important morale builder for the USA at home.
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Exactly. Japanese war leaders--and I think Tojo was one of the most positive about it--had assured the people and Emperor Hirohito that no enemy could attack the Japanese homeland. The raid sowed the seeds of doubt among the Japanese people about their leaders and made those leaders determined to prevent any further such embarrassments.

Churchill knew the importance of doing something to strike back, so that the people would not lose confidence or start thinking too defensively. That was why he pushed to create a commando force which could, in however small a way, take the fight to the Germans. And the Doolittle Raid served the same purpose. I used to hear my parents and their friends who remembered the raid say how much it lifted people's spirits to see our boys, through a daring and very brave attack, finally hit the Japanese right where they lived. Only they didn't call them "Japanese."
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump calls last surviving member of Doolittle Raiders to offer 'best wishes and support'


Just heard a MSNBC reporter report on this call. He said the recipient of the call was "the last surviving member OF SOMETHING CALLED 'the Doolittle Raid', as though the majority of the audience would never have heard of the 1942 strike on Tokyo. Land based bombers were launched from the USS Hornet and achieved more of a propaganda victory than a military one. I guess 1942 might as well be 1492? Are US citizens that clueless?
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think how many people voted for trump
 
Evilroddy said:
Thanks to falling educational standards and the shift from social science to science and math focused curricula there are two generations who probably have no idea what the Doolittle Raid is. History is a mystery, but the future's so bright, we gotta wear shades! Welcome to the new Dark-ages.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Things were better in the ole dayze eh. It's a syndrome. If you live to be 200 bless ya the present will look like gold simply because it will be in the past.

As to the OP I saw the headline and I thought Trump wuz talking about his dolittle presidency. He though a media guy named Jimmy had presented the fake news.

The raid by the then LT-Col James Dolittle and his gutsy men to include the USN was classic American everything which told the Japanese to bend over and kiss their arse good-bye in that war. The rest is history which fact should cheer you up.
 
Tangmo said:
Things were better in the ole dayze eh. It's a syndrome. If you live to be 200 bless ya the present will look like gold simply because it will be in the past.

As to the OP I saw the headline and I thought Trump wuz talking about his dolittle presidency. He though a media guy named Jimmy had presented the fake news.

The raid by the then LT-Col James Dolittle and his gutsy men to include the USN was classic American everything which told the Japanese to bend over and kiss their arse good-bye in that war. The rest is history which fact should cheer you up.
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After the raid, those that had the fuel to make it crash landed in China, and many were lost at sea or crashed in unknown locations. China and the USA cooperated in creating landing zones for the planes. The bombers were especially rigged for a one-way trip off an aircraft carrier to send Japan a message.

Not so fun fact: one American POW not held by Japan was held by Russia. Somethings never change.
 
radioman said:
Maybe if one suffers from dyslexia.



Possibly.
But as you stated above, the raid wasn't an important WWII campaign, so it doesn't compare with D-Day or Iwo Jima.
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We risk two fleet carriers and their battlegroups to do that raid at a time when we still hurting from the Pearl Harbor attack so it must had been judge very very important to do that raid.
 
Evilroddy said:
Thanks to falling educational standards and the shift from social science to science and math focused curricula there are two generations who probably have no idea what the Doolittle Raid is. History is a mystery, but the future's so bright, we gotta wear shades! Welcome to the new Dark-ages.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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So you are blaming lack of historical knowledge on students taking math and science courses!!!!!!!

Hate to tell you this but the nerds who tend toward such math and science courses are far more likely to have a greater in depth knowledge overall then those who take more social science type courses.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
As time goes by more and more will be forgotten and no longer taught because of the amount of new history that is more current and relevant to todays youth. As time goes by the importance of remembering all the minor but significant events of the war will fade. Look at all the old war movies that the current generation will never see or know about. When you say John Wayne to the current generation a lot of them respond by saying John who?
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most kids & young folk now days couldn't give a **** about history of any type; they have their I phones stuck sooooooo far up their ****ing assholes with FakeBook & Twitless ........... they wouldn't even know if they walked into a busy intersection during a DON'T WALK SIGNAL & got run over by a ****ing automobile .......
 
cuban smokes said:
most kids & young folk now days couldn't give a **** about history of any type; they have their I phones stuck sooooooo far up their ****ing assholes with FakeBook & Twitless ........... they wouldn't even know if they walked into a busy intersection during a DON'T WALK SIGNAL & got run over by a ****ing automobile .......
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Just because we don't know about every raid ever, doesn't mean we don't give a crap about history. The difference is a generational gap. We didn't grow up in it. We didn't hear about it with first hand accounts. Many of us don't even have relatives who were in Vietnam. My father talks about WWII but not because he was in it, it's because he was interested in the subject. I know plenty of military buffs (my age) out there who study all these wars. So while it may seem like millennials don't know anything about history, perhaps you aren't talking to the right ones.
 
cuban smokes said:
most kids & young folk now days couldn't give a **** about history of any type; they have their I phones stuck sooooooo far up their ****ing assholes with FakeBook & Twitless ........... they wouldn't even know if they walked into a busy intersection during a DON'T WALK SIGNAL & got run over by a ****ing automobile .......
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Every and I mean every generation have such low opinions of the next generation upcoming.

For my generation it was being hook on TV not the Iphone and for my parents generation it was the radio for that matter.
 
BillRM said:
So you are blaming lack of historical knowledge on students taking math and science courses!!!!!!!

Hate to tell you this but the nerds who tend toward such math and science courses are far more likely to have a greater in depth knowledge overall then those who take more social science type courses.
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BillRM:

I am a secondary school teacher (Grades 8-11) in Canada who teaches Maths and Sciences as well as Canadian and Contemporary World History. I teach the geeks and nerds of whom you speak. A substantial minority of them earnestly want more History, but curriculum limits do not allow schools to cater to their interests and demands. Worse still, what little time that is left for History and other social sciences is being diluted by the mandating of unfocused and superficial multidisciplinary study methods and cross curricular tie-ins which lessen the focus and time teachers can allot to History. Schools are now expected to train students in job related skills rather than to teach wisdom, critical thinking, character development and foster social skills like drama, fine arts, music and athletics. Given fixed school hours and thus limited instructional time, curriculum balance is a zero-sum game and Maths/Science is winning the tug of war over History and Social Sciences at this point. No one denies that Maths and Science are not vital in a student's education but perhaps the pendulum has swung too far in their favour recently?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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