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US Threatens Syria About Possible Chemical Attack: Honest Warning or Cynical Pretext?

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Evilroddy said:
Fledermaus:

Please see the following link which was described in my description above:

https://airwars.org/civilian-casualty-claims/

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Scrolling through I see a whole lot of "might have been" maybe, could have been stuff....

Add to that the targets are ISIS and not the civilian population.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Do you really care if Syrian civilians get gassed?
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Do you? If you do...what do you think we should do? Because a stern word isn't going to stop them.

I'm all for us not being involved, but I don't want to see any complaints when they start gassing their people.
 
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blackjack50 said:
Do you? If you do...what do you think we should do? Because a stern word isn't going to stop them.

I'm all for us not being involved, but I don't want to see any complaints when they start gassing their people.
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I do.

I also supported the warning strike against Assad.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Scrolling through I see a whole lot of "might have been" maybe, could have been stuff....

Add to that the targets are ISIS and not the civilian population.
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Fledermaus:

Yes. Air Wars acknowledges that information is incomplete and may be biased and thus revises its figures as more data becomes available. They also rate the reliability of each report. Finally, they list IS members as a separate category so the figures for civilians are just civilians and not ISIL fighters.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Fledermaus said:
I do.

I also supported the warning strike against Assad.
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So then you have no issue risking American lives over this?
 
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Fledermaus said:
What life was risked in Tomahawking the hell out of the airfield?
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An airfield Tomahawk strike that saw Syrian jets using the Shayrat runways the very next day. That's quite a stern message by Mr. Trump.
 
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Fledermaus said:
What life was risked in Tomahawking the hell out of the airfield?
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You forgetting the Stern warning by Russia? Or any other ramifications that may come from involvement in yet another war? This time one that is just as convoluted as the First World War.
 
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Henrin said:
Never happened. It doesn't even make sense to happen considering the progress they were making at the time.
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Oh really? So all the reports by the NGOs and aid organizations was just bull****, huh?
 
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Evilroddy said:
Jredbaron96:

Well there are folks right here who are denying the Syrian origin of the Khan Sheikhoun attack so it is clearly not undeniable. Hard to prove, yes; but undeniable, no.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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There are also people who deny we landed on the moon, or that planes took out the WTC. It's not against the law to be an idiot.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
An airfield Tomahawk strike that saw Syrian jets using the Shayrat runways the very next day. That's quite a stern message by Mr. Trump.
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If you have a half dozen shovels you can fill in holes. You do know there was much other damage, right?
 
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blackjack50 said:
You forgetting the Stern warning by Russia? Or any other ramifications that may come from involvement in yet another war? This time one that is just as convoluted as the First World War.
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So, no US lives were lost by the Tomahawk strike.
 
Re: US Threatens Syria About Possible Chemical Attack: Honest Warning or Cynical Pret

The threat this time was not limited to Syria alone as the Whitehouse said that it would hold Russia and Iran responsible too and act accordingly, indicating that there would be serious consequences if another chemical attack occurred. It may be rhetorical hyperbole or it may signal an intention to widen the scope and scale of the US/Coalition intervention in Syria.

As to dismissing those who are skeptical of the alleged responsibility of the Syrian Regime for the Khan Sheikhoun chemical attack as idiots, I caution all here to remember that no proof has been publicly offered to corroborate the accusation that the Syrian plane delivered the chemical weapons rather than triggering their release inadvertently while using conventional munitions. The footage released of the immediate aftermath of the chemical attack is suspect for the first responders were unprotected from the effects of a nerve gas such as sarin but were unaffected despite their alleged quick arrival on the scene. So there is real and reasonable doubt about the various explanations offered by all sides as to what happened at Khan Sheikhoun.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
Cigar:

Ah, external war to to distract from domestic troubles and rally the nation against a foreign threat. Tried and true methodology, but is it really what's behind this or are geopolitical forces at work more than domestic distraction? I am not sure myself.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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GeoPolitical forces like energy, oil, gas, R.O.W.s, and the Big Energy Corporations have run this Nation for about 100 years. Definitely not a distraction because when your economy is crashing, you can't save it by pissing money away on foreign wars, excepting the case where you can write nearly unlimited money like FIAT US Dollars. Not to worry because they are supported by "Fatih" and there seems to be a lot of that, as long as you hold a gun to someone's head, eh? The USA is struggling mightily to cut off Russian Gas supplies to the EU and the USA wants to control the pipeline to the EU through Syria. Who'd a thunk it? How 'bout that Russian Gas pipeline through Ukraine? How 'bout NordStream 2? How 'bout USA LNG just delivered to Poland? Who gonna buy Qatar LNG? We know that it's not about the USA defending human rights, freedom, liberty, democracy, or justice in Syria because we're killing more civilians than anybody. We, the USA, have elected to boot out Assad, and that is one vote against the millions he was elected by, so democracy is not a question. We're funding, training, and arming al Qeda so liberty, human rights and justice are not a question. Syria, much like Iraq, has sand and OIL and I'm pretty sure we don't want the sand. The MAJOR distraction is the USA MSM Pete and re-Peting the lie that we are doing something honorable and necessary in Syria. They've had lots of practice because they had to mislead the entire World on the invasion of Iraq, don't ya' know? The USA wants economic Full Spectrum Dominance and needs to control Energy flows to the EU as a link in its' Unipolar World hegemony. I've attempted to present my arguments without links, but with clear logic and common sense. Links are available on Internet investigative journalism sites. Robert Parry, Seymore Hersch, Paul Craig Roberts, Pepe Escobar, Tom Feely, Moon of Alabama, John Whitehead, James Petras are just a few good journalists.
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Fledermaus said:
Please explain how the USA is stopping Russia and Iran from wiping out ISIS.....
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The USA supplies money, training and arms to al Qeda, ahrar al sham, jabhat al sham, etc. and they are connected at the hip with ISIS. The USA supplies nearly unlimited weapons to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia supplies ISIS. When 10,000 ISIS invaded Mosul, they crossed hundreds of miles of desert under USA satellites and Mosul was not warned; ergo, either our satellites are worthless or we wanted Mosul invaded. ISIS effectively cut off a section of Syria and the USA is trying to get control of that section and leave the Kurds in charge. Not going to happen. Mercs named Syrian Democratic Forces under the direction of the USA and pretending to be Syrian loyal opposition allied with Kurds may make great sound bites but Turkey sees an eventual autonomous Kurdish Province developing on its' doorstep and won't tolerate that. That means Turkey will ally with Russia, Syria and Iran to prevent it. The USA no longer attempts to recognize reality as the current attempt to accuse Syria of preparing a gas attack. It just means ISIS is going to use gas as a false flag event to blame Syria. The USA always prevents investigations of these gas attacks generates a MSM tsunami by Pete and re-Pete accusing Syria/Assad. The USA is 6,000 miles from home and has not been threatened or attacked by Syria and has invaded Syria. The USA will attempt to give control of Raqqa to the Kurds. Blowback from Turkey. Saudi Arabia is destined to pay a price for being the puppetmaster behind ISIS.
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Evilroddy said:
DaveFagan:

An interesting description of events in Syria, but can you back it up with facts and authorities to make it stick. I happen to agree with much of what you wrote but to date I have been unable to document it thoroughly enough to make it stick. Anything you can share would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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One of the best sites is <  INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT >
Always up to date, mixed bag of info, but generally Internet best source.
 
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DaveFagan said:
The USA supplies money, training and arms to al Qeda, ahrar al sham, jabhat al sham, etc. and they are connected at the hip with ISIS. The USA supplies nearly unlimited weapons to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia supplies ISIS. When 10,000 ISIS invaded Mosul, they crossed hundreds of miles of desert under USA satellites and Mosul was not warned; ergo, either our satellites are worthless or we wanted Mosul invaded. ISIS effectively cut off a section of Syria and the USA is trying to get control of that section and leave the Kurds in charge. Not going to happen. Mercs named Syrian Democratic Forces under the direction of the USA and pretending to be Syrian loyal opposition allied with Kurds may make great sound bites but Turkey sees an eventual autonomous Kurdish Province developing on its' doorstep and won't tolerate that. That means Turkey will ally with Russia, Syria and Iran to prevent it. The USA no longer attempts to recognize reality as the current attempt to accuse Syria of preparing a gas attack. It just means ISIS is going to use gas as a false flag event to blame Syria. The USA always prevents investigations of these gas attacks generates a MSM tsunami by Pete and re-Pete accusing Syria/Assad. The USA is 6,000 miles from home and has not been threatened or attacked by Syria and has invaded Syria. The USA will attempt to give control of Raqqa to the Kurds. Blowback from Turkey. Saudi Arabia is destined to pay a price for being the puppetmaster behind ISIS.
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How is the US stopping Russia and Iran from wiping out ISIS.....

The US is not supplying Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda is not ISIS.

Al-Nusra Front is not ISIS.

Try again... On this plane of existence.
 
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Evilroddy said:
The US Administration has threatened Syria claiming that it has information that Syria is preparing another chemical weapons attack like that at Sheikh Sheikhoun earlier this year. Is this an honest warning to prevent an atrocity by a brutal regime against its own people or a cynical pretext to expand the scale and scope of US military operations in Syria?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...mical-weapons-attack-syria-white-house-claims

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Considering that Assad has repeatedly launched such attacks, reminding Assad that such actions are unacceptable is a good idea.
 
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DaveFagan said:
Just USA Media preparations for a new false flag event. The USA prevented an investigation of the gas disaster in Idlib province and Trump sent 59 Tomahawks upon a Syrian airbase. The USA is one of the bad guys in Syria. OIL/Energy/pipelines and who'd have guessed it. If the US would get out of the way, Syria, Russia and Iran would wipe out ISIS. Of course, then you don't get the OIL or pipeline right of ways. Do you remember when 10,000 ISIS crossed the desert without being detected by US satellites and invaded Mosul. Must be we wanted Mosul invaded because we all know our satellites are better than that, meaning it was a choice to allow that invasion. The MSM promotes a lie and then it is Pete and re_Pete until the morons think it is the truth. Syria does not have chemical weapons. End of story.
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Seriously buddy? You are going to go with that fantasy?

Number one, we get the bulk of our oil from ourselves and Canada. Your argument that "it's all about the oil" is a dated and honestly rather pathetic, even for a conspiracy theory.

Number two, no, seeing as our airstrikes have played a key role in stopping ISIS' advance and rolling them back, this fantasy that we are working with them is absurd.

Number three, your fantasy that Syria doesn't have chemical weapons is laughable. They've used them repeatedly
 
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Evilroddy said:
Jredbaron96:

Well there are folks right here who are denying the Syrian origin of the Khan Sheikhoun attack so it is clearly not undeniable. Hard to prove, yes; but undeniable, no.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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There are people on here who deny that Kim Jong Un oppresses his own people. People can deny something all they want; that doesn't mean we have to give any level of creditablity to their denials.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Seriously buddy? You are going to go with that fantasy?

Number one, we get the bulk of our oil from ourselves and Canada. Your argument that "it's all about the oil" is a dated and honestly rather pathetic, even for a conspiracy theory.

Number two, no, seeing as our airstrikes have played a key role in stopping ISIS' advance and rolling them back, this fantasy that we are working with them is absurd.

Number three, your fantasy that Syria doesn't have chemical weapons is laughable. They've used them repeatedly
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You sound very much like a government sponsored Fountain of Disinformation and Misinformation.
Could your mind be currently manipulated. No thinking required?
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Fledermaus said:
How is the US stopping Russia and Iran from wiping out ISIS.....

The US is not supplying Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda is not ISIS.

Al-Nusra Front is not ISIS.

Try again... On this plane of existence.
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Do you remember Behghazi. It was a CIA operation to transfer arms from Libyan armories to al Qeda/ISIS militants in Syria.
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DaveFagan said:
You sound very much like a government sponsored Fountain of Disinformation and Misinformation.
Could your mind be currently manipulated. No thinking required?
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And yet more flailing demonstrating an inability to face reality. Typical of you.
 
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DaveFagan said:
Do you remember Behghazi. It was a CIA operation to transfer arms from Libyan armories to al Qeda/ISIS militants in Syria.
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Ridiculous.

CT forum is over there ------------->

But just for fun. What is to be gained by the death of US personnel in the open when arms transfers could have been held anywhere in the effing desert without drawing attention?

One final time:

How is the US stopping Russia and Iran from wiping out ISIS.....

The US is not supplying Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda is not ISIS.

Al-Nusra Front is not ISIS.

Try again... On this plane of existence.
 
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DaveFagan said:
You sound very much like a government sponsored Fountain of Disinformation and Misinformation.
Could your mind be currently manipulated. No thinking required?
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No thinking required mantle rests on the CT folks.... Just regurgitate whatever one finds in the "Information clearing house" without actually thinking about the illogical conclusions to be found on those web pages.
 
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