Are Special Forces Operations Stabilising or Destabilising the Contemporary World?

Re: Are Special Forces Operations Stabilising or Destabilising the Contemporary World

Tigerace117 said:

RT is no more accurate than Pravda was during the Cold War. Both are mouthpieces of the Russiam state; both lie as a matter of policy. Maskirovka, anyone?

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More accusation. Abbey Martin is a left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter. I thought Russia got Trump elected not got liberals to vote for Bernie. Anyways, RT being a state news agency is neither here nor there. The question is whether what the woman being interviewed provides any info that has any truth to it. Pretty simple.

Kind of like this German pulling out a photo of a Syrian child as sufficient proof. Are there any photos of a Black-American shot by an American cop or videos of it? Surely that would be sufficient evidence alone to not only prove the guilt of an American cop but justify Germany sending warplanes to bomb American military installations. No trial needed.

President Assad Destroys Reporter Over Fake Aleppo Child Photo

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Published on Oct 24, 2016

On October 19, 2016, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad destroyed a reporter during an interview with SRF, a German broadcaster.

"I want you to go back after my interview and go to the internet to see the same picture of the same child, with his sister."

"They were rescued twice, each one in different incidents, just as part of the publicity of those White Helmets."

"I'm going to send you those two pictures. Just to see that this is a forged picture, not a real one," Assad said.

Here are some of the pictures that Assad's referring to:

https://i.sli.mg/k89IsT.jpg

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Evilroddy said:

The West is just as capable as the USSR/Russia at using strategic deception in both wartime and peacetime. You ought to have a look at this book which lays that case out since 1945.

https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en...l9szfT41YnN_Vqyd1rE_x80lc#v=onepage&q&f=false

I strongly recommend the book.

One should view RT with skepticism but not discount all its reportage out of hand. After all the basis for a good lie is that it is based on some element of truth. So watch it, think about it, fact-check it, distill the lies from the truth, apply those truths to our own media, fact check our own media and learn more about how our own propaganda machines are warping our perceptions, for we do it too. A free mind is a hard working mind with strong analytical and critical 'muscles'. A reactive and exclusionary mind is easy to manipulate. Caveat locutores.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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I've read the book. It's enthuastic about its claims but it was written for a very specific purpose(to pander to a very specific group of westerners) and tends to take the view that "when in doubt, blame America" for the ills of other countries, which is silly.

Indeed. Good point.

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I have to admit... I was fooled by that internationally known picture of that boy too. And to be sure Syrians on all sides suffer in this whole war. So, I don't want to minimize the suffering of any civilians let alone children. But there are more complicated webs in this Syrian conflict. I've seen pro-opposition, anti-Assad videos, of children walking around with assault rifles. Remember how American Vietnam Vets have been absolved of being "baby killers" because some Vietnamese kids were strapped with bombs?

Eh, in the US a Black-American boy with a pellet gun can be shot and killed by adult cops, and we don't live in a civil war, yet the cops are absolved of killing such children. So, you can spare me the holier than tho American rhetoric.

Where are the German, French, and UK warplanes and special ops taking out Donald Trump or Obama or the whole of the US Government to set Americans free?

Video "proof" of the US Government order Americans killed (or at minimum unlawful use of deadly force by one cop in the USA) just like Americans throw up video "proof" of Assad having had protestors killed:




And American boy not living in an American civil war getting shot to death by government forces of the local US regime. (For the sake of hell and chaos you can *spin* anything the way you want with English vocabulary.)

Published on Nov 27, 2014

Newly released video shows the moment police officers shot and killed a Cleveland 12-year-old. Police say Tamir Rice was waving a toy gun at people near a playground. Rookie officer Timothy Loehmann and six-year veteran Frank Garmback responded to the scene. Dean Reynolds shows how the video raises troubling questions about their two-second decision to open fire.

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So, that was a 12 year-old American boy with a BB or pellet gun in a non-war zone.

Now, we have a Syrian boy of the opposition armed with a real assault rifle, but the same Americans that will justify the shooting death of Tamir Rice will scream about inhumane injustice if Syrian military forces shoot to death a Syrian boy armed with an assault rifle. (The USA dropped White Phosphorous and carpet bombed a portion of civilian Syria but it is *magically* okay when the USA does it to civilians.)

Child fighter with AK 47 on Syria border

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Published on Aug 27, 2012

CNN's Arwa Damon talks to a little boy who was pictured with an AK 47 and hears his family's story on the Syrian border.

For more CNN videos, check out our YouTube channel at CNN - YouTube

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CNN is not RT nor FOX News but rather one of the *trusted* news sources of the Democrats and anti-Trump people.

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FastPace said:

More accusation. Abbey Martin is a left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter. I thought Russia got Trump elected not got liberals to vote for Bernie. Anyways, RT being a state news agency is neither here nor there. The question is whether what the woman being interviewed provides any info that has any truth to it. Pretty simple.

Kind of like this German pulling out a photo of a Syrian child as sufficient proof. Are there any photos of a Black-American shot by an American cop or videos of it? Surely that would be sufficient evidence alone to not only prove the guilt of an American cop but justify Germany sending warplanes to bomb American military installations. No trial needed.

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A YouTube video declaring that somebody "destroyed" somebody else is hardly an objective source.

Left wing Bernie Sanders supporters are as prone to making mistakes and supporting stupidity as anybody else. The KGB didn't play by American black and white rules, or teach them either. Getting "useful idiots" on their side was always a priority.

Actually it completely is relevant, because the official Russian state media is not an unbiased source. Never has been, never will be.

Did we use chemical weapons on our African American populace and nobody mentioned it? Did we start dropping bombs on them recently?

No?

Two entirely different cases.

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Tigerace117 said:

A YouTube video declaring that somebody "destroyed" somebody else is hardly an objective source.

Left wing Bernie Sanders supporters are as prone to making mistakes and supporting stupidity as anybody else. The KGB didn't play by American black and white rules, or teach them either. Getting "useful idiots" on their side was always a priority.

Actually it completely is relevant, because the official Russian state media is not an unbiased source. Never has been, never will be.

Did we use chemical weapons on our African American populace and nobody mentioned it? Did we start dropping bombs on them recently?

No?

Two entirely different cases.

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Eh, post #53.

Take Assad to court over the chemical weapons just like the American cop that shot Philando Castile had to go to court. Presumably, we should find out is the Syrian military and him were the one's that used chemical weapons on non-combatants.

Abraham Lincoln had Atlanta bombed in "The War of Aggression" according to Southerners. So, I imagine if Chechens and people around the world were flooding into Atlanta and other Southern cities to fight the Northern Union troops, then Abraham Lincoln would have had order the US military to level every Southern city until its smallest children were crying blood from their.

My issue in Syria is not necessarily with Russia (as in this proxy war you and Russians are playing) but with the people of Syria. That whole civilization. But in your mind their lives don't matter and this is only a chess board game between the USA (whom you view as the white hats) and Russia (whom you view as the black hats).





But I don't think the United States want to take Assad to court and bring in forensic and scientific experts. They will leave that for American cops and appeals to the US public that change ought come through non-violent means like Gandhi and MLK preached. To let courts and months or years long investigations lead us to the truth.

I mean... Assad has been accused, tried, and found guilty by US politicians in less than 24 hours and far shorter span than Trump getting a massively loooooooooong investigation carried out on him about colluding with Russians (with the same certainty in accusations thrown at him), and Assad is waaaaaay over in Syria. So forgive me if I doubt the supernatural investigative powers of US "Intelligence." The dumbos should already have damning proof against Trump if they know so much about Assad in less than a blink of an eye. I mean... OJ Simpson got a longer trial than Assad.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/14/mit-professor-says-white-house-claims-of-syrian-chemical-attack-cannot-be-true/

MIT is one of the most scientifically and technologically prestigious universities in the country and in the world.

MIT Professor says White House claims of Syrian chemical attack “cannot be true”

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Theodore Postol, Professor of Science, Technology and National Security Policy in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT, has made some preliminary responses to the four-page report by the Trump Administration on the Syrian “chemical attack”. We reproduce his findings in part below. See the document in full here

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have reviewed the document carefully, and I believe it can be shown, without doubt, that the document does not provide any evidence whatsoever that the US government has concrete knowledge that the government of Syria was the source of the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria at roughly 6 to 7 a.m. on April 4, 2017.

In fact, a main piece of evidence that is cited in the document points to an attack that was executed by individuals on the ground, not from an aircraft, on the morning of April 4.

This conclusion is based on an assumption made by the White House when it cited the source of the sarin release and the photographs of that source. My own assessment, is that the source was very likely tampered with or staged, so no serious conclusion could be made from the photographs cited by the White House.

However, if one assumes, as does the White House, that the source of the sarin was from this location and that the location was not tampered with, the most plausible conclusion is that the sarin was dispensed by an improvised dispersal device made from a 122 mm section of rocket tube filled with sarin and capped on both sides.

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FastPace said:

Eh, post #53.

Take Assad to court over the chemical weapons just like the American cop that shot Philando Castile had to go to court. Presumably, we should find out is the Syrian military and him were the one's that used chemical weapons on non-combatants.

Abraham Lincoln had Atlanta bombed in "The War of Aggression" according to Southerners. So, I imagine if Chechens and people around the world were flooding into Atlanta and other Southern cities to fight the Northern Union troops, then Abraham Lincoln would have had order the US military to level every Southern city until its smallest children were crying blood from their.

My issue in Syria is not necessarily with Russia (as in this proxy war you and Russians are playing) but with the people of Syria. That whole civilization. But in your mind their lives don't matter and this is only a chess board game between the USA (whom you view as the white hats) and Russia (whom you view as the black hats).





But I don't think the United States want to take Assad to court and bring in forensic and scientific experts. They will leave that for American cops and appeals to the US public that change ought come through non-violent means like Gandhi and MLK preached. To let courts and months or years long investigations lead us to the truth.

I mean... Assad has been accused, tried, and found guilty by US politicians in less than 24 hours and far shorter span than Trump getting a massively loooooooooong investigation carried out on him about colluding with Russians (with the same certainty in accusations thrown at him), and Assad is waaaaaay over in Syria. So forgive me if I doubt the supernatural investigative powers of US "Intelligence." The dumbos should already have damning proof against Trump if they know so much about Assad in less than a blink of an eye. I mean... OJ Simpson got a longer trial than Assad.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/14/mit-professor-says-white-house-claims-of-syrian-chemical-attack-cannot-be-true/

MIT is one of the most scientifically and technologically prestigious universities in the country and in the world.

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Assad is hardly to be willing to submit himself to a "justice system" he and his patrons don't control. Besides, strongmen have a habit of considering themselves and their whims to be the law of the land.

The difference, of course, is that Lincoln didn't have the civilian populace of Atlanta rounded up and shot en masse. By the way, the historical record doesn't bear that out at all---there were more than a few foreigners who ended up serving in the Confederate Army, like Patrick Cleburne. Yet Lincoln didn't order mass atrocities again southern civilians---even though he easily could have.

Yeah, that would be a lot more convincing if you hadn't spent the last few days justifying all sorts of atrocities against the people of Syria.

Gandhi and MLK both had the advantage of being in free societies where the government would never use chemical weapons or air strikes on peaceful protestors. Against a ruthless despot like Assad.....non violence doesn't work so well against a government with no qualms about massacring its own people.

Gee, some professor from MIT declared that he thinks the system is rigged. Color me shocked:roll:

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Tigerace117 and FastPace:

Gandhi and MLK both had the advantage of being in free societies where the government would never use chemical weapons or air strikes on peaceful protestors.

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The British did use chemical weapons and air strikes against populations in Northern India.

US President Hoover allowed the US Army to use Adamsite gas candles, (a chlorine and arsenic based gas that blisters and asphyxiates while causing uncontrolled vomiting) on US veterans and their families during the 1932 Bonus Army march. Several children of the marchers died from the gas as did some elderly marchers. Two other veterans died from physical wounds when cavalry, tanks and infantry with fixed bayonets waded into the marchers to disperse them.

Adamsite was also used by the US in Vietnam some 35 years later.

Nothing on the scale of the Assad's but you did say "never".:shock:

Now, not to get off topic, but how about those Special Forces and stability/instability?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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Tigerace117 said:

A YouTube video declaring that somebody "destroyed" somebody else is hardly an objective source.

Left wing Bernie Sanders supporters are as prone to making mistakes and supporting stupidity as anybody else. The KGB didn't play by American black and white rules, or teach them either. Getting "useful idiots" on their side was always a priority.

Actually it completely is relevant, because the official Russian state media is not an unbiased source. Never has been, never will be.

Did we use chemical weapons on our African American populace and nobody mentioned it? Did we start dropping bombs on them recently?

No?

Two entirely different cases.

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Lol. It's an interview that you can watch. Assad clearly owns the reporter and even tells the truth of what the US is actually doing. By all accounts he smoked the reporter out of the room.

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Evilroddy said:

Tigerace117 and FastPace:



The British did use chemical weapons and air strikes against populations in Northern India.

US President Hoover allowed the US Army to use Adamsite gas candles, (a chlorine and arsenic based gas that blisters and asphyxiates while causing uncontrolled vomiting) on US veterans and their families during the 1932 Bonus Army march. Several children of the marchers died from the gas as did some elderly marchers. Two other veterans died from physical wounds when cavalry, tanks and infantry with fixed bayonets waded into the marchers to disperse them.

Adamsite was also used by the US in Vietnam some 35 years later.

Nothing on the scale of the Assad's but you did say "never".:shock:

Now, not to get off topic, but how about those Special Forces and stability/instability?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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And it's well documented that US troops fired on and killed several of the old Brown Shoe Army as it (old men, retirees) protested the government not paying them what it said it would, in Washington DC back in the 1920s.

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Henrin said:

Lol. It's an interview that you can watch. Assad clearly owns the reporter and even tells the truth of what the US is actually doing. By all accounts he smoked the reporter out of the room.

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"Owning" is such a subjunctive concept that it's pretty much useless in declaring what happened. All it does is show your inherent bias---in this case your hero worship of Assad.

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FastPace said:

Eh, post #53.

Take Assad to court over the chemical weapons just like the American cop that shot Philando Castile had to go to court. Presumably, we should find out is the Syrian military and him were the one's that used chemical weapons on non-combatants.

Abraham Lincoln had Atlanta bombed in "The War of Aggression" according to Southerners. So, I imagine if Chechens and people around the world were flooding into Atlanta and other Southern cities to fight the Northern Union troops, then Abraham Lincoln would have had order the US military to level every Southern city until its smallest children were crying blood from their.

My issue in Syria is not necessarily with Russia (as in this proxy war you and Russians are playing) but with the people of Syria. That whole civilization. But in your mind their lives don't matter and this is only a chess board game between the USA (whom you view as the white hats) and Russia (whom you view as the black hats).





But I don't think the United States want to take Assad to court and bring in forensic and scientific experts. They will leave that for American cops and appeals to the US public that change ought come through non-violent means like Gandhi and MLK preached. To let courts and months or years long investigations lead us to the truth.

I mean... Assad has been accused, tried, and found guilty by US politicians in less than 24 hours and far shorter span than Trump getting a massively loooooooooong investigation carried out on him about colluding with Russians (with the same certainty in accusations thrown at him), and Assad is waaaaaay over in Syria. So forgive me if I doubt the supernatural investigative powers of US "Intelligence." The dumbos should already have damning proof against Trump if they know so much about Assad in less than a blink of an eye. I mean... OJ Simpson got a longer trial than Assad.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/14/mit-professor-says-white-house-claims-of-syrian-chemical-attack-cannot-be-true/

MIT is one of the most scientifically and technologically prestigious universities in the country and in the world.

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The only court they could take Assad to would be a Kangaroo Court, a Star Chamber.

If they took him to a real, proper, all in the open court, they would lose. Assad didn't gas those people, our mercenaries did, so as to justify our military aggression there.

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A fascinating article by Nick Turse on the proliferation of SF operations in Africa. The proliferation of Special Forces operations in Africa alone is alarming and marks a sharp shift in the goals and nature of modern warfare.

https://news.vice.com/story/the-u-s...adow-war-in-africa-exclusive-documents-reveal

Now war is conducted against individuals and non-state groups rather than foreign states, nations or peoples. War is conducted covertly and without public oversight or regard to the rules of war by reclassifying targeted individuals and groups as enemy combatants. War is now conducted without declaration in foreign lands and while the SF parent state is nominally at peace. The purpose(s) of these special forces operations and the covert wars they wage are more and more in line with suppressing insurgencies against foreign power elites aligned with the parent state's elite's interests or assisting insurgencies against foreign power elites which are non-cooperative or hostile to the interests of the SF parent state's elites. The interests of the citizens' in both the targeted country and the SF parent state have little if any consideration in what the Special Forces operators' goals and mission are. Consequently one can interpret SF operations as covert and unregulated global war against people by their own and foreign elites in order to advance the interests of some of those elites to the detriment of the interests of the common people.

The conclusion is that modern warfare is moving away from international warfare between states and into the realm of transnational class warfare where elites from different states either cooperate or compete in the killing the people in a targeted state in order to force the imposition of political and economic agendas which are resisted by the people. When will this blowback on the citizens of the parent states by having SF forces targeting them? It has already happened to some extent with Private Security and Military Contractors (PSMCs) with trained SF operators being used against pipeline protestors who are being characterised as insurgents by the PSMCs in reports to their employers. So we are the next targets of transnational, elite-controlled, covert, unregulated SF irregular and asymmetrical warfare against peoples who threaten elite interests. Soon it will be our lives which will be destabilised and our sons and daughters who will be killed when this new type of warfare comes home to roost. That's seriously f-ed up!

Cheers?
Evilroddy.