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I see that the Reagan carrier strike force sailed from Japan to Korea a couple days ago. Accompanying the Reagan are the cruiser Shiloh and the destroyers Barry, McCain, McCampbell, and Mustin. Those five ships have 506 missile launching cells. When the cruiser and three destroyers of the Vinson strike group are included, the total is 916. It seems reasonable that 30% of those cells are loaded with Tomahawk cruise missiles, with the majority being loaded with missiles meant to shoot down aircraft, or in some cases, ballistic missiles. If so, the nine ships would be carrying about 275 Tomahawks.

The SSGN Michigan appeared in South Korea several weeks ago, and it probably is still in the area. Its twenty-two converted missile tubes can carry 154 Tomahawks. And although the official notices did not mention attack subs, at least one of them, with twelve Tomahawks on board, usually accompanies a carrier strike group. If these three submarines--one SSGN and two SSN's--are included, the U.S. warships near Korea are probably carrying a total of about 450 Tomahawks, each carrying a bomb of roughly 1,000 lb.

The Vinson strike group has been deployed since January, and it will probably need to be replaced soon. The most likely replacement is the Nimitz strike group, which several weeks ago completed the final phase of exercises--the COMPTUEX--designed to work the ships, crews, and aircrews up to combat readiness. A carrier group usually deploys four to six weeks after completing its COMPTUEX. The Vinson group is on the small side, but the threat from North Korea was less serious in January. It is reasonable to expect the Nimitz, if it sails for Korea, to be accompanied by a cruiser and at least as many destroyers as the four accompanying the Reagan. It might even take along all six in its destroyer squadron. And there are three more destroyers at Yokosuka which could, if needed, join the Reagan within a couple days.

I think these movements put in place the naval part of a force which could, in a surprise attack, cripple North Korea's air defenses, destroy its ballistic missile facilities, and maybe even decapitate its government. I doubt the F-35 is quite ready to be involved, but the B-2 and F-22 would both be suited to attacking North Korea while its air defenses were still intact. The F-22 is usually thought of as the world's best air superiority fighter, but it could also be used as a small "stealth" bomber carrying the 250-lb. "small diameter bomb" (SDB}.

If two of the five operational F-22 squadrons were used, their forty aircraft could carry 320 SDB's; adding a third squadron would raise that total to 480. One obvious target for the SDB, whose wings allow it to be launched as far as fifty miles from its target and glide to it, would be front-line North Korean jets parked under concrete shelters. B-2's, which can carry 500 lb. bombs as well as the 2,000 and 5,000 lb. types which would be needed if a wide range of targets were to be attacked, have usually flown bombing missions right from their home base in Missouri. They would not necessarily have to move to forward bases, then, to launch a surprise attack. The F-22's, though, with their far shorter range, would probably need to strike from bases in South Korea, Japan, or Okinawa even if they were refueled. It will be interesting to see if F-22's are flown into bases in the region as North Korea's provocations continue.

I want to make clear that I hope the U.S. never needs to defang North Korea with a huge aerial blitz. But I am sure the only thing which impresses Kim Jong Un is a credible threat of more force than North Korea can defend against. I think that moving the right U.S. air and naval forces into positions where they presented a believable threat of an overwhelming surprise attack that would leave the U.S. free to follow it up by attacking military targets throughout North Korea from the air, day after day, would do wonders to sober that nation's military leaders. They know their soldiers and tanks would do them very little good, once the U.S. had destroyed their air defenses, imposed a naval blockade, and was destroying hundreds of targets every day with bombs. Machine guns, howitzers, and tanks are useless against guided bombs dropped from 40,000 feet.
 
I see that the Reagan carrier strike force sailed from Japan to Korea a couple days ago. Accompanying the Reagan are the cruiser Shiloh and the destroyers Barry, McCain, McCampbell, and Mustin. Those five ships have 506 missile launching cells. When the cruiser and three destroyers of the Vinson strike group are included, the total is 916. It seems reasonable that 30% of those cells are loaded with Tomahawk cruise missiles, with the majority being loaded with missiles meant to shoot down aircraft, or in some cases, ballistic missiles. If so, the nine ships would be carrying about 275 Tomahawks.

The SSGN Michigan appeared in South Korea several weeks ago, and it probably is still in the area. Its twenty-two converted missile tubes can carry 154 Tomahawks. And although the official notices did not mention attack subs, at least one of them, with twelve Tomahawks on board, usually accompanies a carrier strike group. If these three submarines--one SSGN and two SSN's--are included, the U.S. warships near Korea are probably carrying a total of about 450 Tomahawks, each carrying a bomb of roughly 1,000 lb.

The Vinson strike group has been deployed since January, and it will probably need to be replaced soon. The most likely replacement is the Nimitz strike group, which several weeks ago completed the final phase of exercises--the COMPTUEX--designed to work the ships, crews, and aircrews up to combat readiness. A carrier group usually deploys four to six weeks after completing its COMPTUEX. The Vinson group is on the small side, but the threat from North Korea was less serious in January. It is reasonable to expect the Nimitz, if it sails for Korea, to be accompanied by a cruiser and at least as many destroyers as the four accompanying the Reagan. It might even take along all six in its destroyer squadron. And there are three more destroyers at Yokosuka which could, if needed, join the Reagan within a couple days.

I think these movements put in place the naval part of a force which could, in a surprise attack, cripple North Korea's air defenses, destroy its ballistic missile facilities, and maybe even decapitate its government. I doubt the F-35 is quite ready to be involved, but the B-2 and F-22 would both be suited to attacking North Korea while its air defenses were still intact. The F-22 is usually thought of as the world's best air superiority fighter, but it could also be used as a small "stealth" bomber carrying the 250-lb. "small diameter bomb" (SDB}.

If two of the five operational F-22 squadrons were used, their forty aircraft could carry 320 SDB's; adding a third squadron would raise that total to 480. One obvious target for the SDB, whose wings allow it to be launched as far as fifty miles from its target and glide to it, would be front-line North Korean jets parked under concrete shelters. B-2's, which can carry 500 lb. bombs as well as the 2,000 and 5,000 lb. types which would be needed if a wide range of targets were to be attacked, have usually flown bombing missions right from their home base in Missouri. They would not necessarily have to move to forward bases, then, to launch a surprise attack. The F-22's, though, with their far shorter range, would probably need to strike from bases in South Korea, Japan, or Okinawa even if they were refueled. It will be interesting to see if F-22's are flown into bases in the region as North Korea's provocations continue.

I want to make clear that I hope the U.S. never needs to defang North Korea with a huge aerial blitz. But I am sure the only thing which impresses Kim Jong Un is a credible threat of more force than North Korea can defend against. I think that moving the right U.S. air and naval forces into positions where they presented a believable threat of an overwhelming surprise attack that would leave the U.S. free to follow it up by attacking military targets throughout North Korea from the air, day after day, would do wonders to sober that nation's military leaders. They know their soldiers and tanks would do them very little good, once the U.S. had destroyed their air defenses, imposed a naval blockade, and was destroying hundreds of targets every day with bombs. Machine guns, howitzers, and tanks are useless against guided bombs dropped from 40,000 feet.

Are you sure we should risk the loss of a million dead South Koreans on a cinventiinal weapons strike?
 
I see that the Reagan carrier strike force sailed from Japan to Korea a couple days ago. Accompanying the Reagan are the cruiser Shiloh and the destroyers Barry, McCain, McCampbell, and Mustin. Those five ships have 506 missile launching cells. When the cruiser and three destroyers of the Vinson strike group are included, the total is 916. It seems reasonable that 30% of those cells are loaded with Tomahawk cruise missiles, with the majority being loaded with missiles meant to shoot down aircraft, or in some cases, ballistic missiles. If so, the nine ships would be carrying about 275 Tomahawks.

The SSGN Michigan appeared in South Korea several weeks ago, and it probably is still in the area. Its twenty-two converted missile tubes can carry 154 Tomahawks. And although the official notices did not mention attack subs, at least one of them, with twelve Tomahawks on board, usually accompanies a carrier strike group. If these three submarines--one SSGN and two SSN's--are included, the U.S. warships near Korea are probably carrying a total of about 450 Tomahawks, each carrying a bomb of roughly 1,000 lb.

The Vinson strike group has been deployed since January, and it will probably need to be replaced soon. The most likely replacement is the Nimitz strike group, which several weeks ago completed the final phase of exercises--the COMPTUEX--designed to work the ships, crews, and aircrews up to combat readiness. A carrier group usually deploys four to six weeks after completing its COMPTUEX. The Vinson group is on the small side, but the threat from North Korea was less serious in January. It is reasonable to expect the Nimitz, if it sails for Korea, to be accompanied by a cruiser and at least as many destroyers as the four accompanying the Reagan. It might even take along all six in its destroyer squadron. And there are three more destroyers at Yokosuka which could, if needed, join the Reagan within a couple days.

I think these movements put in place the naval part of a force which could, in a surprise attack, cripple North Korea's air defenses, destroy its ballistic missile facilities, and maybe even decapitate its government. I doubt the F-35 is quite ready to be involved, but the B-2 and F-22 would both be suited to attacking North Korea while its air defenses were still intact. The F-22 is usually thought of as the world's best air superiority fighter, but it could also be used as a small "stealth" bomber carrying the 250-lb. "small diameter bomb" (SDB}.

If two of the five operational F-22 squadrons were used, their forty aircraft could carry 320 SDB's; adding a third squadron would raise that total to 480. One obvious target for the SDB, whose wings allow it to be launched as far as fifty miles from its target and glide to it, would be front-line North Korean jets parked under concrete shelters. B-2's, which can carry 500 lb. bombs as well as the 2,000 and 5,000 lb. types which would be needed if a wide range of targets were to be attacked, have usually flown bombing missions right from their home base in Missouri. They would not necessarily have to move to forward bases, then, to launch a surprise attack. The F-22's, though, with their far shorter range, would probably need to strike from bases in South Korea, Japan, or Okinawa even if they were refueled. It will be interesting to see if F-22's are flown into bases in the region as North Korea's provocations continue.

I want to make clear that I hope the U.S. never needs to defang North Korea with a huge aerial blitz. But I am sure the only thing which impresses Kim Jong Un is a credible threat of more force than North Korea can defend against. I think that moving the right U.S. air and naval forces into positions where they presented a believable threat of an overwhelming surprise attack that would leave the U.S. free to follow it up by attacking military targets throughout North Korea from the air, day after day, would do wonders to sober that nation's military leaders. They know their soldiers and tanks would do them very little good, once the U.S. had destroyed their air defenses, imposed a naval blockade, and was destroying hundreds of targets every day with bombs. Machine guns, howitzers, and tanks are useless against guided bombs dropped from 40,000 feet.

You need to get out and go fishing, golf, or some other hobbies. When China goes on full alert, you can start worrying about what the NORK's are doing, but until then.....go fishing and enjoy yourself. ;)
 
or we could just ignore the idiot prince rather than playing his game. China isn't going to let him nuke anyone because it's bad for business, and that interferes with China's goal of becoming premier superpower.
 
or we could just ignore the idiot prince rather than playing his game. China isn't going to let him nuke anyone because it's bad for business, and that interferes with China's goal of becoming premier superpower.

Problem is : there are two unreliable, unstable leaders on either end of this 'chess' game. Both 'nut jobs', to use words that have become familiar lately.
 
Problem is : there are two unreliable, unstable leaders on either end of this 'chess' game. Both 'nut jobs', to use words that have become familiar lately.

Perhaps the only winning move is not to play.
 
You need to get out and go fishing, golf, or some other hobbies. When China goes on full alert, you can start worrying about what the NORK's are doing, but until then.....go fishing and enjoy yourself. ;)

I don't think I'm any more worried about what North Korea is doing than anyone else who has been watching it has reason to be. I'm hoping these carrier deployments are part of a calculated plan to intimidate Kim Jong Un like the one I was speculating about, and not just some empty gesture like the last President might have made. One reason President Kennedy was able to force the Soviet Union to back down over Cuba was that the U.S. military forces he ordered into position to act were so enormous, and were moved up so fast, that nothing about the response looked anything like a bluff.

Within less than a week after discovering that the Soviets were installing nuclear ballistic missiles in Cuba, the U.S. had rushed about a hundred warships and subs from various ports into a blockade line, had moved about 1,000 fighters and interceptors from all over the country and even from Europe and crammed them into every airfield anywhere near Cuba, had landed 5,700 Marines to reinforce Guantanamo, had placed hundreds of strategic nuclear bombers on higher alert and dispersed some of them to remote bases, had installed antiaircraft missile batteries around important targets in the Southeast, and was quickly bringing up all the heavy equipment for the 100,000 troops it had moved to forward bases in preparation for an all-out invasion of Cuba, if that were to become necessary.

I think that when a foreign nation is threatening to attack the U.S. with nuclear weapons, the response should fit the threat. However dangerous the Cuban Crisis was, President Kennedy was exactly right when he said that it would have been even more dangerous not to act forcefully. The same is true here. We are facing this threat today because for twenty years and more one President after another has been unwilling to draw the line. It would be much easier for us if China would save the day, but it would be recklessly foolish to sit back and depend on that result. At the least the U.S. should put enough forces into place to give Kim good reason to worry that his regime might be attacked at any time with weapons he would have no chance of stopping.
 
I see that the Reagan carrier strike force sailed from Japan to Korea a couple days ago. Accompanying the Reagan are the cruiser Shiloh and the destroyers Barry, McCain, McCampbell, and Mustin. Those five ships have 506 missile launching cells. When the cruiser and three destroyers of the Vinson strike group are included, the total is 916. It seems reasonable that 30% of those cells are loaded with Tomahawk cruise missiles, with the majority being loaded with missiles meant to shoot down aircraft, or in some cases, ballistic missiles. If so, the nine ships would be carrying about 275 Tomahawks.

The SSGN Michigan appeared in South Korea several weeks ago, and it probably is still in the area. Its twenty-two converted missile tubes can carry 154 Tomahawks. And although the official notices did not mention attack subs, at least one of them, with twelve Tomahawks on board, usually accompanies a carrier strike group. If these three submarines--one SSGN and two SSN's--are included, the U.S. warships near Korea are probably carrying a total of about 450 Tomahawks, each carrying a bomb of roughly 1,000 lb.

The Vinson strike group has been deployed since January, and it will probably need to be replaced soon. The most likely replacement is the Nimitz strike group, which several weeks ago completed the final phase of exercises--the COMPTUEX--designed to work the ships, crews, and aircrews up to combat readiness. A carrier group usually deploys four to six weeks after completing its COMPTUEX. The Vinson group is on the small side, but the threat from North Korea was less serious in January. It is reasonable to expect the Nimitz, if it sails for Korea, to be accompanied by a cruiser and at least as many destroyers as the four accompanying the Reagan. It might even take along all six in its destroyer squadron. And there are three more destroyers at Yokosuka which could, if needed, join the Reagan within a couple days.

I think these movements put in place the naval part of a force which could, in a surprise attack, cripple North Korea's air defenses, destroy its ballistic missile facilities, and maybe even decapitate its government. I doubt the F-35 is quite ready to be involved, but the B-2 and F-22 would both be suited to attacking North Korea while its air defenses were still intact. The F-22 is usually thought of as the world's best air superiority fighter, but it could also be used as a small "stealth" bomber carrying the 250-lb. "small diameter bomb" (SDB}.

If two of the five operational F-22 squadrons were used, their forty aircraft could carry 320 SDB's; adding a third squadron would raise that total to 480. One obvious target for the SDB, whose wings allow it to be launched as far as fifty miles from its target and glide to it, would be front-line North Korean jets parked under concrete shelters. B-2's, which can carry 500 lb. bombs as well as the 2,000 and 5,000 lb. types which would be needed if a wide range of targets were to be attacked, have usually flown bombing missions right from their home base in Missouri. They would not necessarily have to move to forward bases, then, to launch a surprise attack. The F-22's, though, with their far shorter range, would probably need to strike from bases in South Korea, Japan, or Okinawa even if they were refueled. It will be interesting to see if F-22's are flown into bases in the region as North Korea's provocations continue.

I want to make clear that I hope the U.S. never needs to defang North Korea with a huge aerial blitz. But I am sure the only thing which impresses Kim Jong Un is a credible threat of more force than North Korea can defend against. I think that moving the right U.S. air and naval forces into positions where they presented a believable threat of an overwhelming surprise attack that would leave the U.S. free to follow it up by attacking military targets throughout North Korea from the air, day after day, would do wonders to sober that nation's military leaders. They know their soldiers and tanks would do them very little good, once the U.S. had destroyed their air defenses, imposed a naval blockade, and was destroying hundreds of targets every day with bombs. Machine guns, howitzers, and tanks are useless against guided bombs dropped from 40,000 feet.

I think you are seeing the show of force. Nobody's going to do anything.

Destroying the North would put American troops on the border of both China and Russia. Neither of them is about to let that happen.
 
I don't think I'm any more worried about what North Korea is doing than anyone else who has been watching it has reason to be. I'm hoping these carrier deployments are part of a calculated plan to intimidate Kim Jong Un like the one I was speculating about, and not just some empty gesture like the last President might have made. One reason President Kennedy was able to force the Soviet Union to back down over Cuba was that the U.S. military forces he ordered into position to act were so enormous, and were moved up so fast, that nothing about the response looked anything like a bluff.

Within less than a week after discovering that the Soviets were installing nuclear ballistic missiles in Cuba, the U.S. had rushed about a hundred warships and subs from various ports into a blockade line, had moved about 1,000 fighters and interceptors from all over the country and even from Europe and crammed them into every airfield anywhere near Cuba, had landed 5,700 Marines to reinforce Guantanamo, had placed hundreds of strategic nuclear bombers on higher alert and dispersed some of them to remote bases, had installed antiaircraft missile batteries around important targets in the Southeast, and was quickly bringing up all the heavy equipment for the 100,000 troops it had moved to forward bases in preparation for an all-out invasion of Cuba, if that were to become necessary.

I think that when a foreign nation is threatening to attack the U.S. with nuclear weapons, the response should fit the threat. However dangerous the Cuban Crisis was, President Kennedy was exactly right when he said that it would have been even more dangerous not to act forcefully. The same is true here. We are facing this threat today because for twenty years and more one President after another has been unwilling to draw the line. It would be much easier for us if China would save the day, but it would be recklessly foolish to sit back and depend on that result. At the least the U.S. should put enough forces into place to give Kim good reason to worry that his regime might be attacked at any time with weapons he would have no chance of stopping.

Like I said earlier. If we get word that China is on full alert, I will start worrying. Until then, why worry? You are letting the crazies get to you. There are too many whacko's who think that Trump is frothing at the mouth to grab the football and send the launch codes.
 
or we could just ignore the idiot prince rather than playing his game.

Look, say what you want about the guy, he's not as stupid as he appears to be.

What he's doing, from his perspective, is playing out a geo-political necessity.
 
Look, say what you want about the guy, he's not as stupid as he appears to be.

What he's doing, from his perspective, is playing out a geo-political necessity.

point granted. however, China still isn't going to let him start a nuclear war. "getting tough" with him is playing his game, in my opinion.
 
I think you are seeing the show of force. Nobody's going to do anything.

Destroying the North would put American troops on the border of both China and Russia. Neither of them is about to let that happen.

trump continues to use 'his military' when he needs a bump in the polls .
 
Like I said earlier. If we get word that China is on full alert, I will start worrying. Until then, why worry? You are letting the crazies get to you. There are too many whacko's who think that Trump is frothing at the mouth to grab the football and send the launch codes.

I think you may be misunderstanding what I've said. I am only analyzing the military moves which have been made public to try to understand the intent behind them. I don't form my views by listening to uninformed extremists or fanatics, nor do I expect to see anyone use chemical or nuclear weapons in Korea. My concern about President Trump is not that he will irrationally decide on drastic military action against North Korea, but rather that he will not do enough. Making only half-hearted threats that are not backed by enough force to make North Korea believe they are real makes it more likely that force will be used.

It seems to me that President Trump's military moves so far have been limited and drawn out. The next move seems to be a practice shootdown of a ballistic missile launched from Vandenberg AFB, and a special ship which is to monitor and record the details of the interception was seen docked in Hawaii within the week. (It may have happened already--haven't kept up with the reports that closely.) The purpose, of course, is to prove to North Korea that the U.S. can shoot down any ballistic missile it may launch. Having to risk that would put Kim in a bind, because he needs to keep launching the missiles to perfect them.

The U.S. military is so powerful that the credible threat of its use is enough to intimidate Kim Jong Un or any other national leader who is not ignorant and deluded, as Saddam Hussein, for example, was. He was like some goofball who imagines he is a matador, and so picks up a toy sword and a cape and walks right into the ring, confident that the bull, at worst, can only scratch him a little. But it takes a very large force, in position to strike at any time, to make the threat convincing. So far, only part of that force has been put in place, but I suspect General Mattis plans to recommend adding a lot more. I think doing that would actually make war with North Korea less likely.

As for China being on alert, it would have no way of knowing when a surprise strike meant to disarm North Korea might happen. Once all the forces needed to carry out such a strike were in place, it would be a continuing threat that North Korea could do nothing to remove. When your adversary has no gun anywhere near you, you can afford to be reckless. When you know he has you in his sights and might pull the trigger at any time, if you provoke him enough, you will tend to be more careful.
 
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