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Trans cadets at military academies can graduate but not serve...

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Mario said:
WASHINGTON — Two transgender cadets — one each at the Air Force and Army military academies — will be allowed to graduate this month after passing exams but will not be permitted to join the ranks of the military’s newest officers, USA TODAY has learned.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...trump-defense-secretary-jim-mattis/101527662/

Some common sense is still present.
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Huh...see, now, I think this is a missed opportunity...why wouldn't the "F*CK Transgender Rights" crowd *not* be in favor of putting these people in the position they could be killed off...? *sarcasm*

Given how America is going, they are probably going to be less and less picky as they look for people still willing to die for it.....
 
OlNate said:
Huh...see, now, I think this is a missed opportunity...why wouldn't the "F*CK Transgender Rights" crowd *not* be in favor of putting these people in the position they could be killed off...? *sarcasm*
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Perhaps you should reconsider some of your premises, if you're so confused.

For starters, who are you quoting with "**** transgender rights"?
Secondly, why would the crowd you're quoting be in charge of DoD decisions?
Thirdly, do you think said crowd has such a low regard for the military, despite being in control of it, that their soldiers are "in the position they could be killed off"?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Perhaps you should reconsider some of your premises, if you're so confused.

For starters, who are you quoting with "**** transgender rights"?
Secondly, why would the crowd you're quoting be in charge of DoD decisions?
Thirdly, do you think said crowd has such a low regard for the military, despite being in control of it, that their soldiers are "in the position they could be killed off"?
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First of all, before I invest in this conversation, just a quick vocab check - you do understand what sarcasm means, correct?
 
They may be in the front of the line for diversity employment opportunities at DOD.
 
OlNate said:
Huh...see, now, I think this is a missed opportunity...why wouldn't the "F*CK Transgender Rights" crowd *not* be in favor of putting these people in the position they could be killed off...? *sarcasm*

Given how America is going, they are probably going to be less and less picky as they look for people still willing to die for it.....
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How is America going?
 
OlNate said:
Huh...see, now, I think this is a missed opportunity...why wouldn't the "F*CK Transgender Rights" crowd *not* be in favor of putting these people in the position they could be killed off...? *sarcasm*

Given how America is going, they are probably going to be less and less picky as they look for people still willing to die for it.....
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Oh please. We pay our soldiers, that's why they go to war. For money.
 
Snakebite said:
Oh please. We pay our soldiers, that's why they go to war. For money.
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Some do it for the money. Certainly not all. There are a lot of easier ways to make a lot more money.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Some do it for the money. Certainly not all. There are a lot of easier ways to make a lot more money.
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Meh. Being a soldier is a financial choice for most. The whole idea that kids are joining the army just because they so love America is propagandist Orwellian crap born during WW2 that needs to die out of our culture.

Not saying our soldiers aren't patriotic, but imagine we took away their pay... how many "patriots" do you suppose would continue to volunteer to serve?

It's the money, and they are mercenaries. War in America is a business. It is what it is.
 
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OlNate said:
lol...really?



Wow... well, I'm going to go ahead and bet there's a fair number of past service men and women who would disagree... Out of curiosity, have you ever served?
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Nope. And I'm sure many soldiers would agree with you.... but take away their pay and see how many "patriots" still wish to serve.
 
Snakebite said:
Nope. And I'm sure many soldiers would agree with you.... but take away their pay and see how many "patriots" still wish to serve.
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It's not always about being patriotic, or for the money.

Most lifers like myself enjoyed running steam/diesel engineering plants and had a lifestyle that was pretty unique. Nobody ****ed with us unless the lights went out, or the screws stopped turning. We weren't expected to be as spit and polished, and the brass left us to ourselves. Old school "snipes" like myself hardly ever stood a military inspection. They were just happy when we showed up sober for muster.
 
Snakebite said:
Nope. And I'm sure many soldiers would agree with you.... but take away their pay and see how many "patriots" still wish to serve.
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It isn't about willingness at that point. If you take away their income they couldn't serve unless they were already wealthy. It is like saying someone isn't actually a philanthropist unless they give EVERYTHING they own to charity.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
It isn't about willingness at that point. If you take away their income they couldn't serve unless they were already wealthy. It is like saying someone isn't actually a philanthropist unless they give EVERYTHING they own to charity.
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I assume they're still being housed and fed. I'm talking about their paycheck and signing bonus. How many would we still have?
 
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RetiredUSN said:
It's not always about being patriotic, or for the money.

Most lifers like myself enjoyed running steam/diesel engineering plants and had a lifestyle that was pretty unique. Nobody ****ed with us unless the lights went out, or the screws stopped turning. We weren't expected to be as spit and polished, and the brass left us to ourselves. Old school "snipes" like myself hardly ever stood a military inspection. They were just happy when we showed up sober for muster.
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Sounds like a good time. It's like they say with anything, if you enjoy what you do, you never really work a day in your life.
 
Snakebite said:
Meh. Being a soldier is a financial choice for most. The whole idea that kids are joining the army just because they so love America is propagandist Orwellian crap born during WW2 that needs to die out of our culture.

Not saying our soldiers aren't patriotic, but imagine we took away their pay... how many "patriots" do you suppose would continue to volunteer to serve?

It's the money, and they are mercenaries. War in America is a business. It is what it is.
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Come back and see us after you look at the 911 six month boost in recruiting stats. A lot of patriotic young people signed up shortly after.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Come back and see us after you look at the 911 six month boost in recruiting stats. A lot of patriotic young people signed up shortly after.
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Maybe so, but that was a unique event.

I appreciate your service and I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I'm a student of history. I believe we have to be vigilant and understand the past so we don't repeat the mistakes of others.

Rome fell partly because they filled their armies with paid mercenaries. In the early days, they conscripted regular Romans to serve in their army.... toward the end, they hired men from all over the world. Those men turned out not to be loyal, and they tore down the empire.

We're not there yet, but we DO have an army for hire. We used to draft kids, now we don't. We need to be aware of that and not fool ourselves regarding the implications of that change.

Also concerning to me is how many foreigners we have serving in our army. Service in the military is one way to get naturalization and citizenship, and I think that is a scary, dangerous path to go down. I would MUCH prefer we just draft our own men to serve in our army rather than outsourcing...
 
Snakebite said:
Meh. Being a soldier is a financial choice for most. The whole idea that kids are joining the army just because they so love America is propagandist Orwellian crap born during WW2 that needs to die out of our culture.

Not saying our soldiers aren't patriotic, but imagine we took away their pay... how many "patriots" do you suppose would continue to volunteer to serve?

It's the money, and they are mercenaries. War in America is a business. It is what it is.
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I take it you really don't know to many soldiers. I know plenty myself included that were making more money then before they joined. And most of the folks I know who serve do it because they believe in what they do and enjoy the life. The reason people wouldn't do it for free is because this is the real world and things like food, shelter, and the many things that make life both possible and enjoyable cost money. Being a Soldier is a full time job. How exactly are those things going to get paid for if we are not getting paid to serve. Sorry but that is just a stupid idea.

Also you might want to look up the definition of the word mercenary. Apparently you are confused on the meaning of the word.
 
Snakebite said:
I assume they're still being housed and fed. I'm talking about their paycheck and signing bonus. How many would we still have?
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Yeah I can't imagine why people wouldn't be willing to live a life where they made zero money to anything besides there job. Sounds like a great life. No car, no money to buy Christmas presents for the wife and kids or even cloths for the kids.

You are ridiculous
 
Snakebite said:
Meh. Being a soldier is a financial choice for most. The whole idea that kids are joining the army just because they so love America is propagandist Orwellian crap born during WW2 that needs to die out of our culture.

Not saying our soldiers aren't patriotic, but imagine we took away their pay... how many "patriots" do you suppose would continue to volunteer to serve?

It's the money, and they are mercenaries. War in America is a business. It is what it is.
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For the pay? LMAO!

Here's the pay that they get: Monthly Basic Pay Table 2017

You have to have been in the military for a long time to get a decent amount of pay. Most grunts don't get what most people in the civilian sector make in a month. The average income in 2014 was $44.6k The average American made $44.6K last year

You have to have been in service for at least 12 years as an E-7 before you start making as much as people do in the civilian sector. Minimum TIS to become an E-7 is 6 years. Average first enlistment contract lasts for 2-6 years. However the average E-7 has been in service for 15-18 years. And in case you're wonder what rank an E-7 holds its Sergeant First Class, or Platoon Sergeant. Military.com

So you obviously do not know wth you're talking about.
 
Mario said:
WASHINGTON — Two transgender cadets — one each at the Air Force and Army military academies — will be allowed to graduate this month after passing exams but will not be permitted to join the ranks of the military’s newest officers, USA TODAY has learned.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...trump-defense-secretary-jim-mattis/101527662/

Some common sense is still present.
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You think it is common sensical to admit students for a free education that aren't going to serve like the rest of them?
 
Kal'Stang said:
For the pay? LMAO!

Here's the pay that they get: Monthly Basic Pay Table 2017

You have to have been in the military for a long time to get a decent amount of pay. Most grunts don't get what most people in the civilian sector make in a month. The average income in 2014 was $44.6k The average American made $44.6K last year

You have to have been in service for at least 12 years as an E-7 before you start making as much as people do in the civilian sector. Minimum TIS to become an E-7 is 6 years. Average first enlistment contract lasts for 2-6 years. However the average E-7 has been in service for 15-18 years. And in case you're wonder what rank an E-7 holds its Sergeant First Class, or Platoon Sergeant. Military.com

So you obviously do not know wth you're talking about.
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The pay may be **** but your forgetting the free college and the free health care, plus numerous other benefits. I can attest from personal experience that is a major motivation in driving many people to enlist.
 
fmw said:
You think it is common sensical to admit students for a free education that aren't going to serve like the rest of them?
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It's common sense that if you can do your job and follow orders (the two things that matter most in the military), you should be allowed to serve.
 
Kal'Stang said:
For the pay? LMAO!

Here's the pay that they get: Monthly Basic Pay Table 2017

You have to have been in the military for a long time to get a decent amount of pay. Most grunts don't get what most people in the civilian sector make in a month. The average income in 2014 was $44.6k The average American made $44.6K last year

You have to have been in service for at least 12 years as an E-7 before you start making as much as people do in the civilian sector. Minimum TIS to become an E-7 is 6 years. Average first enlistment contract lasts for 2-6 years. However the average E-7 has been in service for 15-18 years. And in case you're wonder what rank an E-7 holds its Sergeant First Class, or Platoon Sergeant. Military.com

So you obviously do not know wth you're talking about.
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Yeah, if I enlisted, I could enlist at E-3 because I have both JROTC and a AA college degree, but that would be a 1500 a month pay cut, and I'm not rich by any measure. Soldiers don't make sh!t and that's not to bash people in the service, but more to criticize politicians who don't value the job
 
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