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Russia deploys cruise missile in violation of arms treaty: report

The topic is Trump not Obama. I'm saying Trump isn't going to do anything and is going to let Russia get away with it. Stop deflecting and go start an Obama thread if you want to discuss it there.

russia is our newest ally we should welcome there ships and planes per the original post
 
russia is our newest ally we should welcome there ships and planes per the original post

Yes, we know that you hate America and love Russia. That is obvious. Feel free to move to Russia then.
 
Yes, we know that you hate America and love Russia. That is obvious. Feel free to move to Russia then.

is it so wrong to love both america and our ally russia?
 
Yeah and Saddam was also a president. I guess you liked Saddam Hussein as well.

y would i like him? he never wanted to be our friend like putin does. putin is our loyal ally and dear friend now
 
y would i like him? he never wanted to be our friend like putin does. putin is our loyal ally and dear friend now

Saddam was considered a dictator even though he was a president. Putin is the same way. Just because someone holds the "title" president it doesn't mean they aren't a brutal dictator. Putin is a low life piece of **** dictator and those that like him are traitors to the US
 
Saddam was considered a dictator even though he was a president. Putin is the same way. Just because someone holds the "title" president it doesn't mean they aren't a brutal dictator. Putin is a low life piece of **** dictator and those that like him are traitors to the US

those that like putin are us heros because now us and russia are friends and will keep the peace of the world.
 
those that like putin are us heros because now us and russia are friends and will keep the peace of the world.

Traitors everyone that likes Putin, hopefully they will be deported or move to Russia and maybe get hit by a moving bus. Good riddance to all Putin lovers.
 
Traitors everyone that likes Putin, hopefully they will be deported or move to Russia and maybe get hit by a moving bus. Good riddance to all Putin lovers.

well we should talk about usin alaska as maybe a safe hub for russian people. theyd have easy access if they wanted to come to the us. that would be safer than war mongerin with them and theyd quit deployin cruise missiles which started this whole thread
 
nothing will happen; Trump will just fly over to Moscow, play a few rounds of golf with Putin at his favorite course & Trump will tell Putin he has a nice missile :2razz:
 
Saddam was considered a dictator even though he was a president. Putin is the same way. Just because someone holds the "title" president it doesn't mean they aren't a brutal dictator. Putin is a low life piece of **** dictator and those that like him are traitors to the US

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Response can actually be pretty simple.

State that unless they comply with the agreements of the 1987 INF treaty, it will be declared null and void.

And that would mean an updated Pershing II type system then can be placed in Europe again. Or we can simply dust off the BGM-109G Ground Launched Cruise Missile.

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The best way to deal with this might simply be to state that if they are no longer bound by the INF Treaty, then we are not either. And if they continue to do this we will resume production and deployment of similar systems.

Hopefully they will remember that this is the kind of thing that ultimately brought down the USSR.
 
Commies don't play golf.

Putin is a corrupt capitalist- check his net worth estimates.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...st-man-with-200-billion-net-worth-report-says
Russian President Vladimir Putin has amassed a massive fortune, potentially the largest in the world.

International Business Times pointed out on Wednesday that Putin's fortune could be as much as $200 billion.

But Putin has been snubbed from official world's richest lists in the past, such as Forbes.
 

So what?

At the time of his death, General Secretary Stalin was worth an estimated $75 million. And that was just in personal wealth, not even what he was almost exclusively using that was owned by the state.

Today, that would be in excess of $670 million. Right up there with the likes of Henry Ford II (and the other Ford inheritors), Erle Halliburton, Henry Kaiser, and Nelson Rockefeller in 1952.
 
Below are Trump's Team and some of the medals they are competing for from Vladimir Putin.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin awards then ExxonMobile CEO Rex Tillerson with Russian Friendship Medal, 2015. Tillerson is presently Secretary to Putin, er, Secretary of State to Potus Donald Trump who is of course a lapdog owned by Putin.


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CCP Dynasty in Beijing was not involved the medium range missile treaty of long ago as they were in the thoes of 50 million Chinese starving to death under Mao's Great Leap Forward. A great leap forward as only the Chinese over thousands of years can do one. Followed by the fun and games of the Cultural Revolution that kept China quite self-absorbed internally.

Consequently CCP Dictator-Tyrants are under no obligation to limit their production of medium range missiles. Or any other category of missiles. So CCP are churning off the mass production lines not only masses of medium range missiles, but also missiles of all kind and ranges. CCP have been doing this for more than a decade, year in and year out.

CCP Dynasty have the most active missile production program of any nation. All nations combined in fact. CCP Dynasty has transferred the Chinese historical mass wave attacks of soldiers to missiles. CCP Dictators figure they can mass swarm the U.S. military forces with waves of humongous numbers of missiles.

So the Thaad anti missile platform was created to counter multiple missles simultaneously and on a sustained basis. Thaad is in Guam, its powerful and sophisticated radar only is in Japan, the whole of the system is being installed in South Korea and last year Potus Obama offered Thaad to Taiwan which has yet to accept it.

A significant aspect of Thaad is that it is kenetic, i.e., Thaad is a bullet that hits a bullet by literally hitting up against and on it. The key fact is Thaad does not itself explode nor does Thaad explode the oncoming missile. The banging up into the oncoming missile simply deflects it by breaking it up. Thaad turns the missile into scattered junk to be recovered after the CCP surrenders what's left of China.
 
A significant aspect of Thaad is that it is kenetic, i.e., Thaad is a bullet that hits a bullet by literally hitting up against and on it. The key fact is Thaad does not itself explode nor does Thaad explode the oncoming missile. The banging up into the oncoming missile simply deflects it by breaking it up. Thaad turns the missile into scattered junk to be recovered after the CCP surrenders what's left of China.

THAAD (as well as PAC-3 PATRIOT) are the inheritors of one of the greatest and most misunderstood R&D projects our country ever took on. And that is President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), commonly called "Star Wars".

While the public (and Soviets) were obsessed with high power LASER weapons (and in many ways still are), the real working part was always Kinetic Kill Vehicles. But before KK could be realized, other technologies had to be advanced first. Specifically the creation of much more advanced RADAR systems, GPS so we could pinpoint anything to within 10 meters, and the computers capable of tracking and acquiring hundreds of targets at once.

And this capability was finally realized in 1990, when a pre-beta software patch showed that the first generation PATRIOT could indeed intercept an inbound ballistic missile (although it did not have a warhead capable of being effective against said missiles).

Like most modern ABM systems (SM-2/3), THAAD does not really "destroy" the missile. Missiles are incredibly fragile, and what seems to be even minor damage can be catastrophic (look at videos of V-2 and other rocket explosions to see that for yourself). Rupture a fuel line and odds are it will explode. Destroy navigation componants and it will likely crash somewhere else. Take out main communications cables and it will become an inert hunk of metal to crash into the ground.

However, on a side note THAAD is much more of a "one trick pony" thank PATRIOT is. THAAD is almost exclusively an anti-missile system, because of the limitations of the missile. PATRIOT on the other hand has multiple different missiles it can fire, depending on the target. Some are only good against aircraft, some are only for missiles. But in a PATRIOT battery of 6 launchers (with 24-36 missiles) you generally have loaded multiple types of missiles, ready to target whatever kind of threat is inbound. Some purely for missile threats, some purely for aircraft threats. Most of the multi-purpose variety good against either target.
 
Informative technical stuff thx.


Japan Deploys Patriot Missiles in Downtown Tokyo

Feb 1, 2016

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Patriot PAC-3 antimissile battery deployed in Tokyo outside the main building of the Ministry of Defense, 2016 photo.


Japan's Self Defense Forces deployed a Patriot missile launcher in downtown Tokyo over the weekend. The launcher, deployed among a maze of high-rise office buildings and parked outside the Ministry of Defense headquarters, will function as a last-ditch defense should a missile head towards Japan's capital.

Japan's first layer of "shooters" are its fleet of Aegis destroyers. Japan has four Kongo-class destroyers capable of downing ballistic missiles with a combination of the Aegis radar system and SM-3 Block 1A missile interceptors. Japan believes that just three destroyers can defend the entire country, but is increasing the number of destroyers that can perform this role to eight.

Backing up the Aegis destroyers are Japan's Patriot PAC-3 missiles. A descendant of the original Patriot missile that was used against Iraqi Scuds in the first Gulf War, the PAC-3 is optimized to work against ballistic missiles. A single PAC-3 canister carries four missiles instead of one. The PAC-3 is deployed across the country as a point defense for potential targets including air bases, economic infrastructure, and cities.


Japan Deploys Patriot Missiles in Downtown Tokyo


Thaad being intalled in South Korea has the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in a furious fit of anger because it radically shifts the strategic advantage in the region to the United States. The Thaad sophisticated and powerful penetrating radar can count each bill of Xi Jinping's pile of billions of dollars in his giant vault in the Party's Personal, er, the People's Central Bank.

Because Japan is a U.S. mutual defense formal treaty ally and because the U.S. has tens of thousands of personnel as well as assets in Japan, a USN Arliegh Burke-class Aegis guided missile destroyer is also stationed 24/7 in the Sea of Japan (East Sea) between the Korean peninsula and the Japan islands.
 
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Cruse missiles have been around for a long long time. Even then, any military jet could have probably had a cruse missile guidance system installed in it very quickly. Maybe even sophisticated enough to go where they needed to go, drop their payload and fly back to base.

You trying to say something?
 
Good for them...
 
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