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Trump Killed More than a Dozen Women and Children

Fledermaus said:
Where or when did that ever happen?

OBTW - VT isn't truth.
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Just now, today, is the most recent.

In years gone by, many times. NIST, 911 Commission, etc etc. That the GWOT is based on fraud is a true and accurate statement, yet that statement makes you unhappy, or at least argumentative.
 
Media_Truth said:
My heart goes out to the Navy Seal who was killed on this mission in Yemen.

Trump goes to Delaware to witness return of remains of Navy SEAL killed in botched Yemen raid - LA Times

However, this was a very botched mission, that will only fuel the fires of terrorism:

The operation began as a mission to gather computers and electronic devices believed to contain information about the organization, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and possibly about terrorist plots in the works. But it devolved unexpectedly into a firefight that also killed more than a dozen women and children.

How many terrorists did we create today? If you lost your wife or child in this attack, would you seek retaliation against the US?
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These things sought after are not just stored in empty barns out in the middle of nowhere, and they did not train for months for this single mission if a firefight wasn't expected.

I understand that one of the children being used to drum up sympathy was the daughter of an already killed terrorist head hauncho so I am assuming that a lot of these women were not innocent victims.
 
backpacker said:
These things sought after are not just stored in empty barns out in the middle of nowhere, and they did not train for months for this single mission if a firefight wasn't expected.

I understand that one of the children being used to drum up sympathy was the daughter of an already killed terrorist head hauncho so I am assuming that a lot of these women were not innocent victims.
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You would be correct.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Just now, today, is the most recent.

In years gone by, many times. NIST, 911 Commission, etc etc. That the GWOT is based on fraud is a true and accurate statement, yet that statement makes you unhappy, or at least argumentative.
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Your claim of "hoax" is both vague and unsupported.

As to the 9/11 Commission and the NIST report? Both are supported by logic, intelligence and most of all facts.
 
backpacker said:
These things sought after are not just stored in empty barns out in the middle of nowhere, and they did not train for months for this single mission if a firefight wasn't expected.

I understand that one of the children being used to drum up sympathy was the daughter of an already killed terrorist head hauncho so I am assuming that a lot of these women were not innocent victims.
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There are reports that some were indeed armed fighters.

During the gun battle, which featured small arms fire, hand grenades and close air support strikes from US aircraft, al Qaeda fighters -- including some female combatants -- took up firing positions on the roof of a nearby building and the US troops came under fire, calling in an airstrike against the building, which likely led to civilian casualties, a US official told CNN.

Inside the Yemen raid: Women al Qaeda fighters surprised US forces - CNNPolitics.com
 
Message to women and children -- If you know a terrorist, don't be where they are.
 
Media_Truth said:
My heart goes out to the Navy Seal who was killed on this mission in Yemen.

Trump goes to Delaware to witness return of remains of Navy SEAL killed in botched Yemen raid - LA Times

However, this was a very botched mission, that will only fuel the fires of terrorism:

The operation began as a mission to gather computers and electronic devices believed to contain information about the organization, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and possibly about terrorist plots in the works. But it devolved unexpectedly into a firefight that also killed more than a dozen women and children.

How many terrorists did we create today? If you lost your wife or child in this attack, would you seek retaliation against the US?
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Until an intelligence assessment is completed we will not know if it is a botched mission or not. As for women and children being present, that so often seems the case whenever you go after so many of these cells. They use it purposely to garner sympathy from our press and people within our nation and those of our allies whenever we strike at them. That is the nature of those that we fight, and why we must fight them even harder. For those who have never been in combat, it is impossible to comprehend what our soldiers go through in determining who is friend and foe when the bullets are flying, especially at night. In this case, perhaps more so, since what I have read quoting initial military sources was that many of the fighters in the windows above the Seal Team were women. Not a good scenario, but if this is true, they paid with their lives, and they were enemy combatants. It is horrible a child died. But, the shame, the crime, is on them for bringing their children into a hostile environment.
 
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JohnPaul said:
Where were you on 9-11?
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How long is the US going to use 9/11 for a pretext to the killing we do in the International world? Study the Irish/Protestant conflict. Study the South Africa conflicts. They are not perfect today, but they are much better. They tried war and killing for generation after generation, and it NEVER worked. These conflicts were resolved by bringing the parties together and airing all the dirty laundry in extremely emotional settings. Read about Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
 
SayMyName said:
Until an intelligence assessment is completed we will not know if it is a botched mission or not. As for women and children being present, that so often seems the case whenever you go after so many of these cells. They use it purposely to garner sympathy from our press and people within our nation and those of our allies whenever we strike at them. That is the nature of those that we fight, and why we must fight them even harder. For those who have never been in combat, it is impossible to comprehend what our soldiers go through in determining who is friend and foe when the bullets are flying, especially at night. In this case, perhaps more so, since what I have read quoting initial military sources was that many of the fighters in the windows above the Seal Team were women. Not a good scenario, but if this is true, they paid with their lives, and they were enemy combatants. It is horrible a child died. But, the shame, the crime, is on them for bringing their children into a hostile environment.
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I'm sure the Seal team did what they had to do. I'm not questioning that. I question those who sent them into this war game.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your claim of "hoax" is both vague and unsupported.

As to the 9/11 Commission and the NIST report? Both are supported by logic, intelligence and most of all facts.
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Sorry I don't have a link to it, but Peter Ketcham who is a mathematician at NIST comes to the exact opposite conclusion as you do. So do several thousand architects and engineers. And countless layman.

Back in August 2004 Senator Mark Dayton, after reading much of the 911 Commission report details, said NORAD had lied, after he compared their timelines for numerous 911 events.

The heads of the Commission stated in public that they had been set up to fail. The Commission avoided many facts, took some testimony in secret and then failed to publish it in the final report, thanks to WH mole Philip Zelikow.

Your conclusions are at odds with reality Maus, standard fare.

And today RT reports that the video just released by DoD showing the Yemen Operation was actually 10 years old. So it goes with mendacious bureaucrats, known liars.
 
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Media_Truth said:
How long is the US going to use 9/11 for a pretext to the killing we do in the International world? Study the Irish/Protestant conflict. Study the South Africa conflicts. They are not perfect today, but they are much better. They tried war and killing for generation after generation, and it NEVER worked. These conflicts were resolved by bringing the parties together and airing all the dirty laundry in extremely emotional settings. Read about Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
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Until all the terrorists are all dead.
 
Media_Truth said:
I'm sure the Seal team did what they had to do. I'm not questioning that. I question those who sent them into this war game.
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You're establishing an impossible standard for political reasons.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Sorry I don't have a link to it, but Peter Ketcham who is a mathematician at NIST comes to the exact opposite conclusion as you do. So do several thousand architects and engineers. And countless layman.

Back in August 2004 Senator Mark Dayton, after reading much of the 911 Commission report details, said NORAD had lied, after he compared their timelines for numerous 911 events.

The heads of the Commission stated in public that they had been set up to fail. The Commission avoided many facts, took some testimony in secret and then failed to publish it in the final report, thanks to WH mole Philip Zelikow.

Your conclusions are at odds with reality Maus, standard fare.

And today RT reports that the video just released by DoD showing the Yemen Operation was actually 10 years old. So it goes with mendacious bureaucrats, known liars.
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And yet the EVIDENCE show them to be the most accurate chain of events.

Ah, thats right. Evidence is irrelevant to you.

Nuff said.
 
Media_Truth said:
If innocent women and children were killed, yes, I'm against it. Links please.
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It is not called a "war zone" without reason.

These "soldiers" could have been operating out of a remote camp, with no family nearby. After all, when was the last time the US military went to war with it's spouses and children there with them?

It is called "human shields". Either they deter an enemy attack, or if they are killed they can be used for propaganda. But their being there is purposeful and intentional.

And also against the laws of land warfare.

But as far as "innocent", only as innocent as the wives of Nazi officials, and their Hitler Youth children.
 
Media_Truth said:
How long is the US going to use 9/11 for a pretext to the killing we do in the International world?
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I have a question. Are you outraged at the actions of ISIS? The mass beheadings and slaughter of any who do not agree with their twisted form of Islam? The public torture and execution, including but not limited to burning alive and drowning?

Because unless you support such actions, how do you stop them without fighting? Do we get them to join us around a big bonfire and sing Kumbaya?

You do not like them, fine. It is easy to bitch and whine from the sidelines. How would you solve this problem?
 
Media_Truth said:
You speak totally out of context, without any references. Did you really research the subject?
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I've lived it. Done CT HVI targeting, conventional targeting, CDE calls, managed a TMP program at a 3 star command, been the guy in a stack who who bagged and tagged bad guys, from the tactical to the operational level. Done everything from baseball cards and raid packages to OPLAN rewrites. Been the guy responsible for making sure the command enforced the law, and trained others in doing likewise.

Utilizing human shields (which Islamists have a penchant for doing) places the onus on them for their deaths. Legally, and morally.
 
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apdst said:
You're establishing an impossible standard for political reasons.
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I can see that you would view this as impossible, based on your previous comment. War, war, and more war - your solution for everything? Hitler didn't like the Jews, and that was his solution. Killing breeds more terrorists, and from people who normally wouldn't consider terrorism. Is your goal to exterminate an entire race?
 
Oozlefinch said:
I have a question. Are you outraged at the actions of ISIS? The mass beheadings and slaughter of any who do not agree with their twisted form of Islam? The public torture and execution, including but not limited to burning alive and drowning?

Because unless you support such actions, how do you stop them without fighting? Do we get them to join us around a big bonfire and sing Kumbaya?

You do not like them, fine. It is easy to bitch and whine from the sidelines. How would you solve this problem?
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I expect my political leaders to talk to the leaders of other nations. If they are harboring terrorists, let them address the issues, within their country. If they need help, we should work through the UN to provide that help. It has worked. It can work. It must work. Killing their women and children just creates more terrorists, who are more determined and ready for action.
 
Media_Truth said:
I can see that you would view this as impossible, based on your previous comment. War, war, and more war - your solution for everything? Hitler didn't like the Jews, and that was his solution. Killing breeds more terrorists, and from people who normally wouldn't consider terrorism. Is your goal to exterminate an entire race?
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So you believe that ISIS and other similar groups would not do violent acts if the rest of the world did nothing.
What is your solution for dealing with such groups like ISIS?
 
Oozlefinch said:
It is not called a "war zone" without reason.

These "soldiers" could have been operating out of a remote camp, with no family nearby. After all, when was the last time the US military went to war with it's spouses and children there with them?

It is called "human shields". Either they deter an enemy attack, or if they are killed they can be used for propaganda. But their being there is purposeful and intentional.

And also against the laws of land warfare.

But as far as "innocent", only as innocent as the wives of Nazi officials, and their Hitler Youth children.
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I didn't realize we had declared war on Yemen? What's next - bomb their capital? Anything can be justified, if you want to call their country a "war zone".
 
Media_Truth said:
I expect my political leaders to talk to the leaders of other nations. If they are harboring terrorists, let them address the issues, within their country. If they need help, we should work through the UN to provide that help. It has worked. It can work. It must work. Killing their women and children just creates more terrorists, who are more determined and ready for action.
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Like it worked in Afghanistan? (They didn't surrender OBL the last time I checked)

Like it woks in Iran? (They still support Hezbollah the last time I checked)

And as far as Yemen, we ARE working with their government. Did you not know that?
 
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