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Trump and Radical Islamic Terrorism

shrubnose

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Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
 
shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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Nope.

Have any wars ever been won without collateral damage?

I am not "pro" or "anti" on the issue, and you pose a very good question.
 
shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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I think he will try to limit loss of innocent lives as much as possible. That's really all anyone can ask for.
 
Mycroft said:
I think he will try to limit loss of innocent lives as much as possible. That's really all anyone can ask for.
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Which is going to be a huge change of pace from what Obama was doing, which was to funnel arms to any tom/dick/ and harry in order to cause as much death and destruction as possible.
 
shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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No. He won't be able to totally destroy it even if he is willing to kill a lot of innocent people. We spent 10 years, trillions of dollars, and thousands of American lives trying to wipe out Al Qaeda and where did it get us? Now we have ISIS, basically the same group with a different name.

You can't kill ideas with bullets.
 


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shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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It is the responsibility of all those innocent women and their families to stop the radical Islamist terrorists and not primarily ours. Only where the impact of terrorists or not participating in an international effort to secure international security hurts our country should we engage. But then it is important to do so.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Nope.

Have any wars ever been won without collateral damage?

I am not "pro" or "anti" on the issue, and you pose a very good question.
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Nope. And it is deranged to think they can be or that that is a reason to refrain from war, where it is required.
 
Radical Islam exists, because the Muslim community allows it to exists.
While Trump may not be able to do much the destroy radical Islam, there are likely some things
he could do to encourage the world Muslim community to control the radicals themselves.
 
molten_dragon said:
No. He won't be able to totally destroy it even if he is willing to kill a lot of innocent people. We spent 10 years, trillions of dollars, and thousands of American lives trying to wipe out Al Qaeda and where did it get us? Now we have ISIS, basically the same group with a different name.

You can't kill ideas with bullets.
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The USA and its allies did a pretty good job getting rid of Nazis and their ideas during and after WWII.
 
shrubnose said:
The USA and its allies did a pretty good job getting rid of Nazis and their ideas during and after WWII.
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Not really. There are still lots of Neo-Nazi groups out there with much the same beliefs. We just got rid of the ones that were running Germany.

Terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't legitimate governments in the first place. They're decentralized movements. Take out one leader/cell/camp and another one will pop back up a few months later.
 
molten_dragon said:
Not really. There are still lots of Neo-Nazi groups out there with much the same beliefs. We just got rid of the ones that were running Germany.

Terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't legitimate governments in the first place. They're decentralized movements.
Take out one leader/cell/camp and another one will pop back up a few months later.[
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That's why we have to kill all of them.

Dead men don't promote ISIS ideas.

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shrubnose said:
molten_dragon said:
Not really. There are still lots of Neo-Nazi groups out there with much the same beliefs. We just got rid of the ones that were running Germany.

Terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't legitimate governments in the first place. They're decentralized movements. /QUOTE]



That's why we have to kill all of them.

Dead men don't promote ISIS ideas.

:lol:
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Today's media is much different than WWII. They will overlook all the humanitarian efforts that often happen during a war, and then mass hype the few wrong doings that happen during war.
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shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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Did you know that all those women and children are not innocents? Some are dedicated and deadly jihadists. Islam makes it impossible to respond anyway but just as cruelly as them. You need to understand that if you want to win.
 
shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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Nope. But with that said, the radicals are on the run in much of the world, people everywhere are getting tired of their message, so my guess is that he will make some efforts in that area and claim the credit for himself. We shall see, unlike many of trumps supporters I do not see him getting us out of the wars, in fact I believe he will start some new ones and some of those could be far worse than anything we have seen over the last 70 years.
 
coldjoint said:
Did you know that all those women and children are not innocents?
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Some are dedicated and deadly jihadists. Islam makes it impossible to respond anyway but just as cruelly as them. You need to understand that if you want to win.
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I know that some of the women and children on this planet are innocent.

:lol:
 
shrubnose said:
I know that some of the women and children on this planet are innocent.

:lol:
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Of course there are. If you let Islamists live, regardless of age and sex, more innocent women and children will die.
 
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shrubnose said:
Will Trump be able to totally destroy radical Islamic terrorism as he said that he would do without killing a lot of innocent women and children at the same time?

What do you think?
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Without killing alot of innocent people is the issue, as islamic terrorism uses the killing of innocent bystanders to increase recruitment. Generally the most efficient way is boots on ground combined with support from islamic nations that puts a heavy effort on both destroying terrorists while at the same time keeping civilian casualties to a minimum.
 
shrubnose said:
molten_dragon said:
Not really. There are still lots of Neo-Nazi groups out there with much the same beliefs. We just got rid of the ones that were running Germany.

Terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't legitimate governments in the first place. They're decentralized movements. /QUOTE]



That's why we have to kill all of them.



Dead men don't promote ISIS ideas.

:lol:
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Kill all of whom?
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beerftw said:
Without killing alot of innocent people is the issue, as islamic terrorism uses the killing of innocent bystanders to increase recruitment. Generally the most efficient way is boots on ground combined with support from islamic nations that puts a heavy effort on both destroying terrorists while at the same time keeping civilian casualties to a minimum.
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The worst aspect is that ISIS and it's like groups (AQ for instance) have material support from US allies in the region. Radical sunni islam will not go away until Saudi Arabian people stop using money to promote that version of islam
 
molten_dragon said:
No. He won't be able to totally destroy it even if he is willing to kill a lot of innocent people. We spent 10 years, trillions of dollars, and thousands of American lives trying to wipe out Al Qaeda and where did it get us? Now we have ISIS, basically the same group with a different name.

You can't kill ideas with bullets.
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If ISIS was merely an idea there would be no need to try to kill it. Those who use ideas to justify mass murder can, however, be killed.

Oh, and by the way, ISIS is not Al Qaeda under a different name.
 
coldjoint said:
Did you know that all those women and children are not innocents? Some are dedicated and deadly jihadists. Islam makes it impossible to respond anyway but just as cruelly as them. You need to understand that if you want to win.
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Shrubnose specifically said "innocent women and children" in the post you quoted. He clearly wasn't referring to jihadists.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Nope.

Have any wars ever been won without collateral damage?

I am not "pro" or "anti" on the issue, and you pose a very good question.
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In real life, no. In conservative reality, of course. It should be over any minute because the POTUS has finally said "radical islamic terrorism". That should do it.
And the term "collateral damage" is a neo-con politically correct way to say we killed some women and children today but it was an accident or not really our fault.
It does no good to have have smart bombs if you lob them at the wrong targets.
We, and I mean the big WE as in Americans, want to believe we wear the white hat and ride in on the white horse to save the day.
Being the lone ranger comes at a heavy price and we need to remember that it is a price worth paying.
 
trblmkr said:
In real life, no. In conservative reality, of course. It should be over any minute because the POTUS has finally said "radical islamic terrorism". That should do it.
And the term "collateral damage" is a neo-con politically correct way to say we killed some women and children today but it was an accident or not really our fault.
It does no good to have have smart bombs if you lob them at the wrong targets.
We, and I mean the big WE as in Americans, want to believe we wear the white hat and ride in on the white horse to save the day.
Being the lone ranger comes at a heavy price and we need to remember that it is a price worth paying.
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Get outta here with that crap. I have never seen a post so full of BS.

It's neither "neo con" or democrat.

Ask LBJ how Rolling Thunder worked out.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Get outta here with that crap. I have never seen a post so full of BS.

It's neither "neo con" or democrat.

Ask LBJ how Rolling Thunder worked out.
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Are you denying that the right said we had to acknowledge Islamic terrorism in order to defeat it?
Which BS are you referring to? The fact that when we claimed to hit a false target in 1969 it has the same meaning in 2016?
Get into the 21st century. We dropped tens of thousands of tons of ordinance on the "trail" and didn't stop a damn thing but it killed a bunch of people.
People, not numbers, not collateral damage, people.
You can ease your conscious any way you like. Killing people is killing people.
 
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